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RAW BETWEEN IRAQ AND ALGERIA OVER A SOCCER GAME...

since centuries

most of the Arab who moved to Iraq from peninsula converted to Shiite Islam other wise the cities dwellers are almost the same in population but the Arab relocation to Iraq made the Shiite majority

Iraq today almost 40 millions

the Shiite around 25 millions

Kurds and sunnis around 10 millions

the other minorities around 3 millions

More recent migration to Southern Iraq (not only as Central, Western and Northern Iraq, Jazira in particular, was affected as well) from mostly Najd but not only (Hijaz as well and other regions) does not equal "Arab migration".

The people who migrated to Iraq already had relatives, fellow clan and tribal relatives all over Iraq. There have been successive migrations for the past 3000 years. 2850 years to be precise (written records mind you).
As Arabs already lived in modern-day Iraq almost 3000 years ago.

Migration (for millennia) also occurred the other way around although it is less mentioned from Iraq, Sham, Egypt etc. into the Peninsula. Probably just as much.

In fact ancient rulers of Babylonia and Assyria used to live in Tayma (Northern KSA) (winter capital) and dozens of rulers retired there. Northern KSA being part of Babylonian, Assyrian empires and Sumer probably played a role.


German-made documentary about this interesting and ancient part of history.




Anyway it is true that mostly more recent Najdi Arab clans and tribes that migrated to Southern Iraq, many of them, adopted Shia Twelver Islam. Although many remained Sunni which is why it is very, very normal for Iraqi Arab tribes and clans to have both Sunni and Shia members and that has never had any negative impact.

For instance 300 years ago most of Southern Iraq was majority Sunni with Shias mostly being confined to Karbala and Najaf.

Anyway Najd used to be ruled by Shia dynasties (Alids = Hashemites) for 3.5 centuries as brother @SALMAN F rightly wrote about in another thread on the Arab section.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Ukhaidhir

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saud...-son-of-the-soil-al-husayn-ibn-ali-ra.578315/
 
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More recent migration to Southern Iraq (not only as Central, Western and Northern Iraq, Jazira in particular, was affected as well) from mostly Najd but not only (Hijaz as well and other regions) does not equal "Arab migration".

The people who migrated to Iraq already had relatives, fellow clan and tribal relatives all over Iraq. There have been successive migrations for the past 3000 years. 2850 years to be precise (written records mind you).
As Arabs already lived in modern-day Iraq almost 3000 years ago.

Migration (for millennia) also occurred the other way around although it is less mentioned from Iraq, Sham, Egypt etc. into the Peninsula. Probably just as much.

In fact ancient rulers of Babylonia and Assyria used to live in Tayma (Northern KSA) (winter capital) and dozens of rulers retired there. Northern KSA being part of Babylonian, Assyrian empires and Sumer probably played a role.


German-made documentary about this interesting and ancient part of history.




Anyway it is true that mostly more recent Najdi Arab clans and tribes that migrated to Southern Iraq, many of them, adopted Shia Twelver Islam. For instance 300 years ago most of Southern Iraq was majority Sunni with Shias mostly being confined to Karbala and Najaf.

Anyway Najd used to be ruled by Shia dynasties (Alids = Hashemites) for 3.5 centuries as brother @SALMAN F rightly wrote about in another thread on the Arab section.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Ukhaidhir

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saud...-son-of-the-soil-al-husayn-ibn-ali-ra.578315/

The old Shia ideology has little to do with what we have today...
 
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The old Shia ideology has little to do with what we have today...

Iraq, unfortunately, has seen a lot of bloodshed related to sect in recent years and before that there were grievances aimed at rulers and those grievances were given a "sectarian" card although in reality that had little to do with the reality.

The political system in Iraq also fosters sectarianism. It is very unfortunate. A good reason to abolish and change the current ineffective system that has been ruining Iraq.

Pre-1979 most people knew little about sectarian differences between Sunnis and Shias outside of people of religion, historians or people who had a foot in "both worlds".

At one point in my life I took this discussion more seriously but I realized that such behavior is counterproductive and should not be encouraged at all, even if there are historical or theological differences.

In fact sectarianism in some way or form (as well as other differences that can lead to unnecessary conflict) is one of the greatest threats in the Arab world.
 
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The guy is a stateless and fanatical Kabyle troll (there are 4-5 million of them in the world compared to 500 million Arabs) that has been trolling against Arabs, in particular Egypt, KSA and Iraq since forever on this forum.

Definitely brother. Algerians are our brothers and vice versa. This guy does not represent Algerians. Nor does he even live in Algeria. One could in fact doubt his identity. Most likely a false-flagging troll.
Could you show reliable source about numbers of arabs which you claim to be 500 million people? or lets better say the amount of people who speak arabic as first language (that would be closer to the linguistic-cultural explanation of who's considered arab).

The total number of Arabic speakers living in the Arab nations is estimated at 366 million by the CIA Factbook (as of 2014). The estimated number of Arabs in countries outside the Arab League is estimated at 17.5 million, yielding a total of close to 384 million.

Ethnologue:
313 millon arabic speakers.

Semitic languages
are spoken by more than 330 million people across much of Western Asia, North Africa and the Horn of Africa, as well as in often large expatriate communities in North America and Europe, with smaller communities in the Caucasus and Central Asia. The terminology was first used in the 1780s by members of the Göttingen School of History.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages



 
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The old Shia ideology has little to do with what we have today...
Its the same ideology no difference we have the same text books the same believe
the difference exist only in some people brain simply because the Shiite today shocked the world
 
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Could you show reliable source about numbers of arabs which you claim to be 500 million people? or lets better say the amount of people who speak arabic as first language (that would be closer to the linguistic-cultural explanation of who's considered arab).

The total number of Arabic speakers living in the Arab nations is estimated at 366 million by the CIA Factbook (as of 2014). The estimated number of Arabs in countries outside the Arab League is estimated at 17.5 million, yielding a total of close to 384 million.

Ethnologue:
313 millon arabic speakers.

Semitic languages
are spoken by more than 330 million people across much of Western Asia, North Africa and the Horn of Africa, as well as in often large expatriate communities in North America and Europe, with smaller communities in the Caucasus and Central Asia. The terminology was first used in the 1780s by members of the Göttingen School of History.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages

Wikipedia uses a lot of outdated sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs

Arabs
عَرَب ('arab)
Total population

c. 450 million (2011 est.)[1]
Regions with significant populations
Arab League 430,000,000[2][3]

That was 2011. The population has increased by at least 50 million since then.

Here the very large worldwide Arab diaspora (some 40-50 million people) is not included. In Latin America people of Arab origins number between 20-30 million people, at the lowest.

Most estimates say that at least 5% of Latin Americas population is of Arab origin.

The population of Latin America is 650 million. 5% of that is 32.5 million.

5 million people of Arab origin in Indonesia alone as well.

Over 10 million (at least nowadays) Arabs in Europe alone.

That's 47.5 million people.

People of Arab origin in South East Asia as a whole numbers around 7.5-8 million people.

So 50 million people in total.

Arabs of the Sahel, Horn of Africa and Swahili coastline are unaccounted for here. Some 5-10 million people.

60 million people now.

3.5 million Arab-Americans.

So the Arab diaspora is at least between 50-65 million people.

Between 500.000-1 million Arab people in Australia as well. Some 500.000 in Canada.

Some 1 million people born to Arab fathers in Europe in the past 10 years and non-Arab mothers.

South Asia is not included here, such as Sri Lankan Moors, Arab communities in Hyderabad, Gujarat, Sindh etc. of which most have been assimilated ages ago in Pakistan for example.

How could I forget Turkey, where there are (nowadays) some 5-6 million Arabs, if we include the indigenous Turkish Arabs that predate the limited Turkic migrations to Anatolia.

Arabs in Caucasus, Central Asia, Afghanistan etc. Although many have been assimilated and millions of locals probably having partial Arab ancestry just like in many areas of Southern Europe.

Combined (as of 2018) easily 500 million people. Probably closer to 550 million.

By 2100 Iraq alone will have a larger population than Iran and Turkey combined. Some 160-170 million people.

Arabs will probably be very close to Han Chinese by 2100 as well.

So numbers won't be an issue. Even in Iraq (post 2003) the population has been growing very quickly each day, week, month and year. Same in Yemen, Libya etc. Conflicts play no role here in slowing down population growth, maybe with the exception of Syria.

As for Arabic language (you can be an ethnic Arab without speaking Arabic just like you can be an non-Arab and speak Arabic = I think that at least 100 million non-Arab people have a significant understanding of Arabic, either written or spoken), over 400 million speak it and it is the world's third or fourth most spoken language in the world. Not bad, when there are 1000's of languages in the world.

EDIT: Forgot the Arabs of your country as well. At least 2 million people with millions more unaccounted for (partial Arab ancestry) long ago assimilated.
 
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Its the same ideology no difference we have the same text books the same believe
the difference exist only in some people brain simply because the Shiite today shocked the world
No it isn't the same... Shia Islam deeply evolved since the Ilkhanate Dynasty and Then the Safavid one...

Since that Period the expansion of Multiple Shia derivative Sect emerged and Difference/Belief/Vision among those new Ideology were added to core Shia Islam by the multiple change of Dynasties that came later on...

The Original Shia Islam was mostly based on "Succession rights"... Than "core Ideological" beliefs.
Today there is no "One" Shia Islam... Therefore no "One" Ideology of that branch anymore...
 
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since centuries

most of the Arab who moved to Iraq from peninsula converted to Shiite Islam other wise the cities dwellers are almost the same in population but the Arab relocation to Iraq made the Shiite majority

Iraq today almost 40 millions

the Shiite around 25 millions

Kurds and sunnis around 10 millions

the other minorities around 3 millions
Kurds are between 4-6 millions you know they always lie and give false information
 
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You are so smart and well educated where did you learn all that about Shiite please which book feed you all that would you please enlighten me
I need a book that talk about the Shiite origin the that feed you all that nonsense

@Saif al-Arab do you agree with him?

Kurds are between 4-6 millions you know they always lie and give false information
well the sunnis even worst
 
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Looks like Iraq learned from Egypt and joined the football rivalry with Algeria.

Can be quite fun this but shouldn't be taken too far
True...I guess they learned that they can fool their own citizen..The game between the same Iraqi club and a Jordanian one ..had the same display for Saddam..but no reaction from the visiting team, which finished the game, nor from the Irsqi government that stayed silent..
 
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