Ramifications of the damage done by Imran Khan statement in Iran

[Dubious]

Please go and learn some history and get your facts corrected.
Who started what? Who brought Saudi backed jihadis and terror setups inside Pakistan to target USSR in Afghanistan? Who alienated Iran to please the Arabs?
Iran used to play in the hand of zionists for a bit in the early days of revolution, but your establishment was more into the laps of the same zionists and furthering their agenda through Saudis and what not.

Who alienated iran? They themselves had a revolution ...they themselves are still divided to this day based on that...
They themselves needs to own their crap too.

Do you think having a mullah as a state leader won't produce some countering or hatred or some form of struggle? Have a Sunni mullah in Pakistan as head of a tribe and you abdul spew hatred but a Shia mullah head of a whole state and everyone will bow coz he is omnipotent and above human evil?

Absolute power corrupts absolutely...so there is bound to be backlash.....

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@Indus Pakistan : I am just curious why are you going out of the way to defend Iran all the time?
I mean, yeah may be you had some good Iranian friends in the past and have some good memories. So do I, they were nice people and it was fun working with them. And oh, ALL of them hated the Mullah regime in Iran to the core!!

Pakistan has had a very soft spot for Iran for too long, but since the occupation of Iran by mad mullahs the relations have gone south pretty bad.

It is for a fact that Iran has been facilitating terrorism in Pakistan directly or indirectly (via India e.g.).

So good relations with Iran, yes. But should you just keep defending every move of these mad mullahs? And demand that Pakistan respect these mullahs regardless of what they doing in Pakistan?

Well, it doesnt work that way. Respect is ought to be a two-way street. Want some respect, then earn it by respecting others first. This is the message that we are giving in context of international relations to these terrorist regime in Iran.

Good post and you do raise a interesting point why I defend Iran so much. I am well aware that I lose lot of stock on PDF as my stance annoys lots of people but I still persist. I assure you first I am not Shia and secular by political outlook. Secondly my Iranian friends from 30 years ago were almost all diehard pro Shah, secular and despised the Mullahs. To them the Mullahs were closet Arabs polluting the pristine Persian nation and the revolution was curse. Many even had leanings to Zarathrustra. So rest assured that is not it either as today they probably are living in USA and hate the Mullah regime. So what is it? I think it deserves detailed post and I will explain later when I get the time.

 

[War Thunder]

looks like it is hurting irani ball lickers.

More like a saudi lover whose mind can't process logic or maybe just one of those sectarian morons who calls himself a member of a sect, and divides Allah's religion.

 

[SIPRA]

The crux of the matter is that we don't have a choice to open a front against Iran, as well, under the prevailing circumstances, whether we like it or not. In that context, whatever Pakistan is doing, in respect of Iran, seems to be justified and appropriate. Ultimate solution would be to seal whole of the western border.

 

[rak_987]

Rak, i dont live in Pakistan. i am not pro iran. i am pro economic and pro military person, who believes in strong human development and strong military as a best defense and offense...

For a long time Pakistan and Iran didnt develop their western and eastern regions respectively. its about time they join forces and develop sistan and balochistan. This will end all the nefarious designs for other nations and bring prosperity to the region.. The orchestrators will run like hyenas.

I don't know you nor would like to know you. Your excuse is neither pro-military nor pro-economy.

You don't even have basic knowledge.

Iran developed Chabahar back in the 90s. Google its images and see for yourself. They wanted to develop Chabahar port but could'nt due to sanctions. Gwadar port as of now has double the capacity and handling than Chabahar port. They're not happy about it.

India logistically does'nt need Chabahar, Bandar Abbas port more or less fulfills the criteria for North South corridor.

India is not investing their to import fruits and vegetables from Afghanistan. Chabahar is being built to counter Gwadar and block its progress. India cannot find an operator in India for Chabahar port but has transported dozens of Indians in that area why?

@BHarwana

There is no mention of rapid response force in the joint statement. Rouhani statement was just empty statement which PTI is using. REad here:

https://theiranproject.com/blog/201...-border-should-be-border-of-peace-friendship/

 

[Max]

a very embarrassing statement, Iranian president could have chose to say the same but he didn't.

and the decision he took during reshuffle, appointing Hafeez Sheikh and specially the decision of Firdous Awan is despicable to say the least.

But still i trust him.

 

[CriticalThought]

Ok children I am tired of you people opening threads and crying foul abt our own PM....

Let me clarify.....IK said nothing wrong and you in fact are jazbati and reading between the lines....

He did nothing wrong for freeing abhi which the same kid squad accused him of doing wrong despite world over Pakistan and IK was praised for his diplomatic stand....

Now I understand most of you are kids high on hormones and have ABSOLUTE ZERO concept of diplomatic stance.

A man who was briefed by the army and other services knows more about the situation than a key board warrior who keeps beating his head.

When pakistan is doing war against terrorism it means there are terrorists here that we are fighting....otherwise what are we wasting money on?

IK said some terrorists crossed over and attacked Iran it is possible since we are fighting them and if some slipped or were invited ( they for sure have some form of a handler there too)....how is that wrong considering our situation (that we are actively fighting and they are running)...

However he didn't say we sponsored them or they are ours....that line was crossed by Nawaz

Kindly keep the condescending remarks to yourself. This opens an entire Pandora's Box for Pakistan. Based on this admission, can we complain if the Americans ask us to do more? Can we complain if people make videos saying Pakistan is a difficult country to travel to? Can we complain if Saudi Arabia pulls investment from Baluchistan because there are terrorists operating from that region? You are clearly not across the full reality of the situation.

Hina Rabbani Khar, regardless of political affiliation, has served this country on the very important and sensitive post of Foreign Minister. She understands diplomatic norms better than anyone on this entire message board. When she speaks up and says this is not funny any more, I expect people to listen. Drop your blind adoration of Imran Khan and see the reality.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Relax...since 1947 they have been saying we ate doomed. Nothing will happen. Go get some tea

We lost half Pakistan. We lost heights in Kargil. Worry is Genuine .
Don't try to convince yourself by closing eyes. Extremism, terrorism & sectarianism is still big threat here. No doubt it reduced after operations against terrorists, we offically banned 75+ Islamic organisations here for a reason. They were using loudspeaker to spread violence & anarchy.
We still need to deal them with iron hands.
No softcorner for them. We saw so called Shariat in Swat. We gave them free hands and we saw the results.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Baluchistan because there are terrorists operating from that region?

What are you smoking. You might somehow close your eyes and imagine Balochistan, erstwhile FATA, Karachi don't have major terrorism problem but rest of the world knows.

 

[Dubious]

Kindly keep the condescending remarks to yourself. This opens an entire Pandora's Box for Pakistan. Based on this admission, can we complain if the Americans ask us to do more? Can we complain if people make videos saying Pakistan is a difficult country to travel to? Can we complain if Saudi Arabia pulls investment from Baluchistan because there are terrorists operating from that region? You are clearly not across the full reality of the situation.

Yes we can complain because we are doing something. ...and much better than decade of America in Afghanistan.

Do you think PMIK wad not briefed by COAS?

Do you think PM IK has less knowledge than you on the current situation?

Do you think it is a waste if he is trying to keep our western border safe/ friendly? Because we already have a B'S eastern one we can tame?

Hina Rabbani Khar, regardless of political affiliation, has served this country on the very important and sensitive post of Foreign Minister. She understands diplomatic norms better than anyone on this entire message board. When she speaks up and says this is not funny any more, I expect people to listen. Drop your blind adoration of Imran Khan and see the reality.

I am sorry her political affiliations do matter...by her malignant PM she also showed she has no respect for the PM...that alone shows political incline and tells you who is what!

If she was true she wouldn't make it public that the PM made a mistake but the fact that she needs to sell it as a mistake so that her boss can be voted in...again shows if we have likes of her we don't need to find an enemy in Iran!

 

[zulu]

Here is the video also point wise i break down as i suspect very few watch it throughly aur political point scoring ky bajaye those who really wanna understand and share their opinions are most welcome
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/imran-khan-iran-press-conference-video-point-wise.615137/

Could someone link me a clip of what everyone is talking about?

 

[CriticalThought]

Yes we can complain because we are doing something. ...and much better than decade of America in Afghanistan.

Do you think PMIK wad not briefed by COAS?

Do you think PM IK has less knowledge than you on the current situation?

Do you think it is a waste if he is trying to keep our western border safe/ friendly? Because we already have a B'S eastern one we can tame?

I am sorry her political affiliations do matter...by her malignant PM she also showed she has no respect for the PM...that alone shows political incline and tells you who is what!

If she was true she wouldn't make it public that the PM made a mistake but the fact that she needs to sell it as a mistake so that her boss can be voted in...again shows if we have likes of her we don't need to find an enemy in Iran!

Apparently you don't understand the basics of democracy, free speech, and opposition being the devil's advocate. Do you think our enemies need her explanation to understand the blunders committed by Imran Khan? The enlightened amongst us will publicly call him out for the disservice to this nation that he is doing. Being briefed and actually onboarding the briefing are two very different things. Stop defending what is indefensible. By the way, how often do you see Ms. Khar publicly speaking out on an issue like this? It is serious, and her principles don't allow her to remain silent.

What are you smoking. You might somehow close your eyes and imagine Balochistan, erstwhile FATA, Karachi don't have major terrorism problem but rest of the world knows.

With your eyes open, tell me which country's leader acknowledges the presence of terrorism in his country while on foreign soil? Giving statements provides ammunition to our enemies, actions further our interests. But when your PM has a loose mouth syndrome, you can only do a face palm.

 

[A.A. Khan]

We lost half Pakistan. We lost heights in Kargil. Worry is Genuine .
Don't try to convince yourself by closing eyes. Extremism, terrorism & sectarianism is still big threat here. No doubt it reduced after operations against terrorists, we offically banned 75+ Islamic organisations here for a reason. They were using loudspeaker to spread violence & anarchy.
We still need to deal them with iron hands.
No softcorner for them. We saw so called Shariat in Swat. We gave them free hands and we saw the results.

Remain on the topic that is hostile neighbour iran don't divert this into internal issue. This 8s how genuine threads are closed as they try to hijack and try to stop constructive discussions

 

[coffee_cup]

@coffee_cup, I am curious why are you going out of the way to attack Iran all the time? Is it selective patriotism? because if i were to go through the forum, i am willing to bet you are missing from selected posts that involve Arab states.

The day an Arab country's highest authorities start barking against Pakistan and accuse ISI and what not for spreading terrorism and threaten to attack Pakistan, I'll have a strong reason to counter that.

For now, it is Iran who is doing all the dirty work for India and at the same time threatening us left and right. More like playing 2nd Afghanistan. And this despite Pakistan being the only country which sees Iran in a favorable way.

As I said, I used to have a very soft spot for Iran but due to the hostile actions over so many past years I have started to realize that we have to name the names and start looking at our neighborhood without wearing all those "brotherly glasses".

 

[Dubious]

Apparently you don't understand the basics of democracy, free speech, and opposition being the devil's advocate. Do you think our enemies need her explanation to understand the blunders committed by Imran Khan? The enlightened amongst us will publicly call him out for the disservice to this nation that he is doing. Being briefed and actually onboarding the briefing are two very different things. Stop defending what is indefensible. By the way, how often do you see Ms. Khar publicly speaking out on an issue like this? It is serious, and her principles don't allow her to remain silent.

1) PMIK speeches are open speeches.
2) when the self proclaimed enlightened themselves don't show loyalty to the land and openly malign an elected leader who is trying his best to fix decades worth of bs and offer an olive branch to stabilise one side of the border to ease our defence....then I think the people aren't enlightened nor far sighted