Ram Janmabhoomi or Babri Masjid- Possible solutions.

[rubyjackass]

Do you really believe that a mandir or a masjid will help the Indian society any good? Or will it be far better to have Hospital or a research center their?

Even if we build a hospital, the zealots will install a Ram murty there and make it the center of attraction instead of the services the hospital provides. IMO it should be made a nuclear waste disposal zone.

Precisely. Any solution that does not emphasis their "superiority" is not really a "solution" for them. Many Hindus fail to recognize this simple reality.

Same is true for Christians as well.

You are mistaken. Most normal muslims don't care what is there. Even radical muslims organizations are right on the point there. This is not a question of muslim superiority. It is a question of status quo, which the Hindutva agents want to change in quest of a Hindutva victory/superiority. Giving any religion superiority is no business of Indian state.

We are NOT a secular country. First let us put that rubbish behind us. We are NOT Panthnirpeksh or Dhramnirpeksh.

We are a HINDU Nation which practices Hindu secularism.

That is why Muslims have a separate Personal law (against Dhramnirpeksh) which is DIFFERENT from Hindus. That is why we have REligious Minority Quota and Caste based reservation (against Panthnirpeksh) in India.

You area human being, and for Humans pissing and $hitting is more important that praying. So that is why Kaaba is the best place to make a public Urinal since lot of people go there Makes perfect sense. No ?

One one side you say you are not a "muslims" but a "hindu" and then go on to ask why we can't be "neutral" :lol;



Rubbish. We ARE a Hindu Nation. Secularism which his undefined in the Constitution is HINDU Secularism. This is evidenced by the simple fact that GoI run Hindu Temples but do not run Mosques or Churches.

Only a Moron would wants to be a "Sone ki Chidiya".

A "Cidiya" is a weak prey which is captured by the strong and put in a CAGE. "A Golden Bird" is just that. A weak prey who a muslim PREDATOR can cage and exploit.

Maybe a few retards might want to be that "golden bird" or a "pet dog" in a cage, not the rest of India.

Finally none of this has anything to do with Ram Mandir.

Meh!! So you say.

 

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We can say the same about Mathura, Puskar, Kailash and all the Hindu Tirths.

That's a possible solution but don't you think that it is not very practical?

AT most of these places temples were destroyed but later rebuilt. Ayodhya is unique in this regard.

 

[sankranti]

Even if we build a hospital, the zealots will install a Ram murty there and make it the center of attraction instead of the services the hospital provides. IMO it should be made a nuclear waste disposal zone.

So why not the same for the kaaba ?

You are mistaken. Most normal muslims don't care what is there. Even radical muslims organizations are right on the point there. This is not a question of muslim superiority. It is a question of status quo, which the Hindutva agents want to change in quest of a Hindutva victory/superiority. Giving any religion superiority is no business of Indian state.

LOL... why should there be "status quo" ?

Status Quo is not the defining parameter. JUSTICE is the defining parameter.

If someone is Raped and is carrying an illegal bastard child, will you ask for "status quo" ? ........ Only the Rapist might want such "status quo". Out of a pervers sense of satisfaction, safe in the knowledge that he will never go to jail.

If the Rapist however realizes that his fetus can link him to the crime, he will want that gone ASAP.

See how the Fear of Punishment works in restoring Justice and destroying "status quo" ?

Ram Mandir is not a Hindutva requirement, it a Hindu demand. Sadly its only the Hindutva who seems to be listening to this Hindu demand.

Maybe if you ("seculars") start listening, they will not need the Hindutva anymore ?

 

[It.is.all.mudi's.fault]

the land belongs to muslims, so legally temple cant be built.

Fake @hinduguy ,

Babri Masjid was a government property; first of Mughal government, then of British-Indian government, and then of Indian government.

Muslims right to it for being a mosque is in no way superior to Hindus right to it for being a demolished temple, even from ownership's perspective.

 

[rubyjackass]

So why not the same for the kaaba ?

Not my country, don't care.

LOL... why should there be "status quo" ?

Status Quo is not the defining parameter. JUSTICE is the defining parameter.

If someone is Raped and is carrying an illegal bastard child, will you ask for "status quo" ? ........ Only the Rapist might want such "status quo". Out of a pervers sense of satisfaction, safe in the knowledge that he will never go to jail.

If the Rapist however realizes that his fetus can link him to the crime, he will want that gone ASAP.

See how the Fear of Punishment works in restoring Justice and destroying "status quo" ?

Ram Mandir is not a Hindutva requirement, it a Hindu demand. Sadly its only the Hindutva who seems to be listening to this Hindu demand.

Maybe if you ("seculars") start listening, they will not need the Hindutva anymore ?

Don't BS with stupid parallels. This is a disease which the saffronists want to spread. We inherited something from our ancestors as a people of a country. We will keep it the way it is. We won't let any revisionists derail our road to progress with unnecessary programs.

Fake @hinduguy ,

Babri Masjid was a government property; first of Mughal government, then of British-Indian government, and then of Indian government.

Muslims right to it for being a mosque is in no way superior to Hindus right to it for being a demolished temple, even from ownership's perspective.

Babri Masjid was a government property?! This is news.

Even if it is, the mosque which was illegally demolished should have stayed. It was an established fact on the ground.

 

[sankranti]

Not my country, don't care.

But you have to agree with the general principle right ?

Don't BS with stupid parallels. This is a disease which the saffronists want to spread. We inherited something from our ancestors as a people of a country. We will keep it the way it is. We won't let any revisionists derail our road to progress with unnecessary programs.

LOL.... see how the brutal reality leaves you stuttering for words. Patriotism is the last refuge for the incompetent as they say.

We have also inherited our History and that History demands JUSTICE and change of Status quo.

That is thing thing about History and inheritance, it always changes ..... and how hard you try, you cannot stop the winds of change.

Don't worry, our "road to progress" lies on the same path as "Ram Mandir" so you have one thing less to worry about.

Babri Masjid was a government property?! This is news.

Even if it is, the mosque which was illegally demolished should have stayed. It was an established fact on the ground.

Its been a Mandir since 1942 so the matter is already settled.

The issues is now to converted that small temple into a Large Temple suitable for the Birth place of Ram, Ayodhya.

 

[Mike_Brando]

Simple Solution... Half Area me Temple Bna do Half pe Masjid... beech me wall khari krdo... Simple is that Secular India ki Misaal Bn jai gi larai khtam...

If Masjid and Church can be build side by side why can't Masjid and temple?? Islam doesn't prevent about that

I have long advocated for this type of a solution.It will definitely help to reconcile both the communities in the long run and thus will help to usher an age of peace and trust in this part of the world among the two largest religious communities

make a stripclub there and be done with it already.

Bhai,you're talking about one of the most sacred locations of Sanatan Dharma,so i would suggest you to show a little bit tolerance in this regard!!

SOCIALIST,SECULAR

These two are alien words which were forcefully entered into the Indian constitution by Mrs.Indira Gandhi through the 42nd Amendment in 1976 when Emergency was at it's peak.Most of the present generation Indian citizens don'[t recognize these two words as part of our Preamble.Heck,even "the father of the Indian constitution" Dr.B.R.Ambedkar didn't think it as a wise decision to include these two words in the Preamble!!

 

[sankranti]

I have long advocated for this type of a solution.It will definitely help to reconcile both the communities in the long run and thus will help to usher an age of peace and trust in this part of the world among the two largest religious communities

Why do they have to be next to each other ? Let the majid be placed somewhere else. Its a free country and there is plenty of land out there.

Its ridiculous to be spiteful and place a masjid full of meat eaters next to one of the holiest Temples in India. Its perverse.

 

[It.is.all.mudi's.fault]

Well Don't you think that a Hospital or School is a more viable option given that neither Hindus nor Muslims are willing to give up on their demands and are willing to kill or get killed.

The same was the verdict of the Allahabad high court which divided the Site between all 3 parties but that is on hold by the Supreme court.



Yes a Strip club on the sacred place of both Hindus and Muslims. This ain't exactly the 30th century.

make a stripclub there and be done with it already.

How would you two stooges react to this situation?

Suppose you are happily living in your house. A neighborhood bully barges in, r@pes your mother, sister, and daughter, occupies two of three rooms of your house, and construct a victory memorial in one of the rooms, and if later on your are able to expel that bully; would you still honour that victory memorial?

The situation here is no different from one stated above. If you people would not have been pu$$y whipped by leftist media which engendered a deep seated inferiority complex in you that makes you give ascendance to so called "intellectual"s viewpoint, and had any self respect, you people would never have advocated for retention of victory memorial.

Babri Masjid was a government property?! This is news.

Even if it is, the mosque which was illegally demolished should have stayed. It was an established fact on the ground.

Of course, when the first chapter of your Padre101 course is lies, hypocrisy, and feigning ignorance, you need to be reminded that Babri Masjid was not a private mosque. It was built by a ruler and was a state property from start. There is no deed in name of some "Abdul, the goat m0lester" who could claim that mosque as his property. When Britishers defeated Mughals and become ruler of India, they inherited all assets and liabilities of Mughals, and when they were replaced by Republic of India, it inherited all assets and liabilities of British India. Babri Masjid was state property like Quwwat-ul-Islam mosque is State property; or like all public temples are state property.

It is sad that government did not took control of Churches, like it did of Temples , or like it inherited ownership of all mosque built before 1900. You would have understood concept of state property better in such circumstances.


And what should have stayed at that site was Ram Temple which was demolished by Babur. It is an established fact on ground and legal treatise. Even Faizabad District Judge on 18 March 1886 ,a Britisher, acknowledged that Babri Masjid was built after demolishing Ram Temple, but refused to grant permission for demolishing Babri Masjid ,atating that too much time has passed since Ram Mandir was demolished. The existence of Mandir wa not questioned ,even in first verdice, a verdict that was delivered by a third party.

 

[rubyjackass]

But you have to agree with the general principle right ?

Your comparison has no principle behind it.

LOL.... see how the brutal reality leaves you stuttering for words. Patriotism is the last refuge for the incompetent as they say.

We have also inherited our History and that History demands JUSTICE and change of Status quo.

That is thing thing about History and inheritance, it always changes ..... and how hard you try, you cannot stop the winds of change.

Don't worry, our "road to progress" lies on the same path as "Ram Mandir" so you have one thing less to worry about.



Its been a Mandir since 1942 so the matter is already settled.

The issues is now to converted that small temple into a Large Temple suitable for the Birth place of Ram, Ayodhya.

No History does not demand justice. History just asks us to take lessons and not commit them again. I don't know whether I am being patriotic while saying what I said, but that was just making sense.

All I hear is your dreams. You just have to reassess whether it is worth it.

But you have to agree with the general principle right ?

Your comparison has no principle behind it.

LOL.... see how the brutal reality leaves you stuttering for words. Patriotism is the last refuge for the incompetent as they say.

We have also inherited our History and that History demands JUSTICE and change of Status quo.

That is thing thing about History and inheritance, it always changes ..... and how hard you try, you cannot stop the winds of change.

Don't worry, our "road to progress" lies on the same path as "Ram Mandir" so you have one thing less to worry about.



Its been a Mandir since 1942 so the matter is already settled.

The issues is now to converted that small temple into a Large Temple suitable for the Birth place of Ram, Ayodhya.

No History does not demand justice. History just asks us to take lessons and not commit them again. I don't know whether I am being patriotic while saying what I said, but that was just making sense.

All I hear is your dreams. You just have to reassess whether it is worth it.

But you have to agree with the general principle right ?

Your comparison has no principle behind it.

LOL.... see how the brutal reality leaves you stuttering for words. Patriotism is the last refuge for the incompetent as they say.

We have also inherited our History and that History demands JUSTICE and change of Status quo.

That is thing thing about History and inheritance, it always changes ..... and how hard you try, you cannot stop the winds of change.

Don't worry, our "road to progress" lies on the same path as "Ram Mandir" so you have one thing less to worry about.



Its been a Mandir since 1942 so the matter is already settled.

The issues is now to converted that small temple into a Large Temple suitable for the Birth place of Ram, Ayodhya.

No History does not demand justice. History just asks us to take lessons and not commit them again. I don't know whether I am being patriotic while saying what I said, but that was just making sense.

All I hear is your dreams. You just have to reassess whether it is worth it.

 

[sankranti]

Your comparison has no principle behind it.

No History does not demand justice. History just asks us to take lessons and not commit them again. I don't know whether I am being patriotic while saying what I said, but that was just making sense.

All I hear is your dreams. You just have to reassess whether it is worth it.

LOL...what do you mean no principle you hypocrite ..... what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Its the society which inherit the history who demand justice. Justice can only be demanded by the present, not the past. Respecting the sentiments of the Hindus is "making sense". Everything else is nonsense, bigotry disguised as "secularism" hiding in the burqa of "progress".

There is nothing to reassess. Ram Mandir is a dream that will happen. With our without you. And its totally worth it. Not an iota of doubt or confusion regarding it.

Same holds good for Mathura and Kashi.

How would you two stooges react to this situation?

Suppose you are happily living in your house. A neighborhood bully barges in, r@pes your mother, sister, and daughter, occupies two of three rooms of your house, and construct a victory memorial in one of the rooms, and if later on your are able to expel that bully; would you still honour that victory memorial?

The situation here is no different from one stated above. If you people would not have been pu$$y whipped by leftist media which engendered a deep seated inferiority complex in you that makes you give ascendance to so called "intellectual"s viewpoint, and had any self respect, you people would never have advocated for retention of victory memorial.

Of course, when the first chapter of your Padre101 course is lies, hypocrisy, and feigning ignorance, you need to be reminded that Babri Masjid was not a private mosque. It was built by a ruler and was a state property from start. There is no deed in name of some "Abdul, the goat m0lester" who could claim that mosque as his property. When Britishers defeated Mughals and become ruler of India, they inherited all assets and liabilities of Mughals, and when they were replaced by Republic of India, it inherited all assets and liabilities of British India. Babri Masjid was state property like Quwwat-ul-Islam mosque is State property; or like all public temples are state property.

It is sad that government did not took control of Churches, like it did of Temples , or like it inherited ownership of all mosque built before 1900. You would have understood concept of state property better in such circumstances.

And what should have stayed at that site was Ram Temple which was demolished by Babur. It is an established fact on ground and legal treatise. Even Faizabad District Judge on 18 March 1886 ,a Britisher, acknowledged that Babri Masjid was built after demolishing Ram Temple, but refused to grant permission for demolishing Babri Masjid ,atating that too much time has passed since Ram Mandir was demolished. The existence of Mandir wa not questioned ,even in first verdice, a verdict that was delivered by a third party.

I agree. The biggest mistake was not taking control of the Churches and the Mosques and their illegal ill-found land.

 

[kaykay]

Whatever the honourable court says.....

 

[rubyjackass]

How would you two stooges react to this situation?

Suppose you are happily living in your house. A neighborhood bully barges in, r@pes your mother, sister, and daughter, occupies two of three rooms of your house, and construct a victory memorial in one of the rooms, and if later on your are able to expel that bully; would you still honour that victory memorial?

The situation here is no different from one stated above. If you people would not have been pu$$y whipped by leftist media which engendered a deep seated inferiority complex in you that makes you give ascendance to so called "intellectual"s viewpoint, and had any self respect, you people would never have advocated for retention of victory memorial.



Of course, when the first chapter of your Padre101 course is lies, hypocrisy, and feigning ignorance, you need to be reminded that Babri Masjid was not a private mosque. It was built by a ruler and was a state property from start. There is no deed in name of some "Abdul, the goat m0lester" who could claim that mosque as his property. When Britishers defeated Mughals and become ruler of India, they inherited all assets and liabilities of Mughals, and when they were replaced by Republic of India, it inherited all assets and liabilities of British India. Babri Masjid was state property like Quwwat-ul-Islam mosque is State property; or like all public temples are state property.

It is sad that government did not took control of Churches, like it did of Temples , or like it inherited ownership of all mosque built before 1900. You would have understood concept of state property better in such circumstances.


And what should have stayed at that site was Ram Temple which was demolished by Babur. It is an established fact on ground and legal treatise. Even Faizabad District Judge on 18 March 1886 ,a Britisher, acknowledged that Babri Masjid was built after demolishing Ram Temple, but refused to grant permission for demolishing Babri Masjid ,atating that too much time has passed since Ram Mandir was demolished. The existence of Mandir wa not questioned ,even in first verdice, a verdict that was delivered by a third party.

No public temples are not owned by the government. Same with mosques. The endowments department is just a trustee to the temples. You should read about why government took control of temples in the first place.

 

[RealNapster]

Do you really believe that a mandir or a masjid will help the Indian society any good? Or will it be far better to have Hospital or a research center their?

i am with any of hospital,college,university... Mandir masjid ne India Pakistan ko kia output dena hay siwaaye mullo or pujario kay. ...

 

[rubyjackass]

LOL...what do you mean no principle you hypocrite ..... what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Its the society which inherit the history who demand justice. Justice can only be demanded by the present, not the past. Respecting the sentiments of the Hindus is "making sense". Everything else is nonsense, bigotry disguised as "secularism" hiding in the burqa of "progress".

There is nothing to reassess. Ram Mandir is a dream that will happen. With our without you. And its totally worth it. Not an iota of doubt or confusion regarding it.

Same holds good for Mathura and Kashi.

Yeah sure buddy.