Raising questions on Pakistan's Yemen deployment plans.

[A.M.]

You tell me.

I don't know. You seem to be the expert so enlighten me.

 

[Desert Fox]

I don't know. You seem to be the expert so enlighten me.

Could you quote where i said i was an expert? Thank you.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

That's the biggest pile of nonsense yet.

Since when has India decided to lower its guns?? Just because its making more money??

Lets discuss real politik here. India will use every opportunity it gets to undermine Pakistan. It is only natural that it would do this.

The fact of the matter is simply this: India does not need to use Guns to keep Paksitan in a corner. It just has to keep on making more and more money.
It is the Economic and Socio-Political Paradigm that is at work now; much more than the Security Paradigm. That is the best way to undermine an adversary.

Do you think that wars can be fought only with bombs and shells? That amigo; is the Real-Politik that you have to wake up to.

 

[Desert Fox]

The fact of the matter is simply this: India does not need to use Guns to keep Paksitan in a corner. It just has to keep on making more and more money. It is the Economic and Socio-Political paradigm that is at work now; much more than the Security Paradigm. That is the best way to undermine an adversary.

Do you think that wars can be fought only with bombs and shells? That amigo; is the Real-Politik that you have to wake up to.

I didn't mean "guns" in the literal sense. Its plain for everyone to see that was a metaphor. Don't know how you missed that.

Secondly, you did just prove my point: that india will use all means to undermine Pakistan.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

I didn't mean "guns" in the literal sense. Its plain for everyone to see that was a metaphor. Don't know how you missed that.

Secondly, you did just prove my point: that India will use all means to undermine Pakistan.

Oh yes of course.
Its just so easy as hell: most of the means is simply this........doing nothing and working focussed on the Indian Economy......... while just watching Paksitan run itself into the ground pursuing its own god-forsaken policies.... like renting itself out to whosoever can write a cheque..... or as AVM Shahzad Chaudhri says: working to be the perfect Rentier-State; or as Ayaz Amir says: the proclivity to be labelled as perpetual 'miskeens'.

Its just so easy for India now. Or haven't you noticed it yet? Its not guns, but its butter!

 

[Desert Fox]

Oh yes of course.
Its just so easy as hell: most of the means is simply this........doing nothing and working focussed on the Indian Economy......... while just watching Paksitan run itself into the ground pursuing its own god-forsaken policies.... like renting itself out to whosoever can write a cheque..... or as AVM Shahzad Chaudhri says: working to be the perfect Rentier-State; or as Ayaz Amir says: the proclivity to be labelled as perpetual 'miskeens'.

Its just so easy for India now. Or haven't you noticed it yet? Its not guns, but its butter!

Thanks but we don't need your concern. What we do is up to us to decide.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

1: Currently FATA, LOC, Indian border, Afghanistan border, Karachi, Siachen & Khuzdar are active fronts which have stretched Pakistan military's capabilities, leading for them to make immense changes in conventional force posture. If the Parliament does approve the deployment of Pakistan Army into either Saudi Arabia or Yemen, it would leave Pakistan Army even more stretched with its resources and manpower. If Pakistan is going to fulfill a capability gap for the Saudi military forces, who will fulfill the gap left by the deployment of Pakistan Army inside Pakistan's own low intensity conflict zones?

Guess who has spoken. The cat is out of the bag. You just know that things are really screwed when the Yanks start offering free advice for joining their war.

If Pakistan were to get directly involved with Yemen, a reserve force would be more than enough to cover capabilities. From what I knw, only Pakistan's active forces are stretched thin, so sending reservists should make things easier.

Pakistan already has troops deployed in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is attempting to create a coalition to not only project it's influence into Yemen, but also isolate Iran. Nothing like having 22 nations turn their gun's against 1. Just a token force, of 1/2 brigade is enough to strengthen the already deployed Brigade+ in Saudi Arabia, and will not have an effect on Pakistan's domestic requirements.

2: Would Saudi Arabia and its allies be willing to make a token military contribution to Pakistan's conventional defenses should another war with India breakout?

3: What guarantee there is that India won't take advantage of the Pakistani deployment to the Middle East by being assertive on the border or by teaming up with Iran and Afghanistan to isolate Pakistan as it has always wanted to?

This is a 'Muslim World' coalition that is being supported by the US. India isn't going to start being all aggressive against Pakistan. Unless India wants to piss off a couple dozen nations to give Pakistan the finger.

4: What contingency plan does the govt have if such a deployment fuels further sectarianism in Pakistan?

I'm sure the Dynasties, I mean, Patriotic Pakistani Political Parties will fight for Pakistani Interests. hehehe? The Yemen War has nothing to do about Sunni-Shia relations in Yemen. The Yemeni President who the Houtis are fighting is himself a Shia. Iran doesn't speak for Shias and Saudi Arabia doesn't speak for Muslims.

5: What would the govt do if Iran who would be unhappy about such a deployment reactivates its own proxies inside Pakistan to create a situation right here in order to make Pakistan 'pay' for it?

If Pakistan does support the Saudi led Coalition. It should be guaranteed, along with any other Sunni majority nation intelligence sharing to combat any domestic Shia uprising.

6: Why would the govt not specify, in the light of Pakistani national interests what exactly are the objectives for which they want to join this coalition?

Point 4.

7: Why Al-Qaeda in Arabian Peninsula and Daesh haven't yet been targeted in #Yemen by the coalition airstrikes?

That's the last question you want to ask?

India has had the opportunities in the past and has never sought to do so so this entire premise is moot in my opinion.

In 1971 India allowed East Pakistan to become its own nation despite the fact it could easily have absorbed it into its territory similarly it could have taken the war to the West

Really? You don't recall Indira Gandhi wanting to move the Indian War Machine from Bangladesh to Pakistan? And Nixon getting pi$$ed off.

'This woman suckered us', said Nixon of Indira Gandhi

After Nuclear stuff India will commit suicide if they messed with us when we are busy in Middle East. As for this campgain our main goal if we go in should be to beat the hell out of Houthis so they start talks and also by GCC funding help Yemen rebuild its Armed Forces and equip them. We have to go in we can't afford to anger entire Sunni Block for Iran or Houthis.

It looks like our credibility as a neutral Muslim country and potential peace broker has been tarnished for good now.

We should have been pushing for a coalition of peace keeping Islamic forces comprising of Pakistani, Indonesian, Malaysian, Bangladeshi, Kazakhstani troops and other non-Middle Eastern, neutral Islamic countries, with each country contributing 20-30,000 troops each, and deploying these troops to Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, etc to help establish peace and initiate negotiations between the warring sides.

I'm certain this proposition would have been endorsed by the international community, particularly Russia, China, and even perhaps the GCC countries.

But alas, we had to involve ourselves not as negotiators, but as mercenaries, and picked sides in a conflict that has nothing to do with us and has only caused more escalation of bloodshed in yet another part of the Middle East & Islamic world.

A NATO style Unified Military Command consisting of a dozen Muslim nations that have individual national interests? Bold idea don't you think?

Do you really want FOX News to start their The MUSLIM CALIPHATE HAS BEEN REESTABLISHED?

If we have to deploy, we need to deploy the Marines instead of the Army and send in SEAL teams to work with the GCC SOF units. SSG is much needed at home.

If Pakistan wants to establish the PAK Marines as an Expeditionary Force, this will be the perfect time to provide live training in the expeditionary format.