Raising questions on Pakistan's Yemen deployment plans.

[Desert Fox]

And why would the nations mentioned get involved? Pakistan, at least, has an excuse. I genuinely curious about your answer, it's the first time I've heard anyone go into this sort of specific.

Why wouldn't they?? They are in the OIC, aren't they?? And what does the OIC exist for??

And sure, Pakistan has no qualms in getting involved in attacking Yemen, or the Houthis, a country which doesn't even border us and an organization which has never been involved in any aggression against us, but however it completely makes no sense at all to stay neutral or at least if we are going to get involved we should try to play the role of a peace keeping force rather than pick sides.

 

[Abingdonboy]

India's entire goal is to change the status quo. With India growing as a power, and looking to gain complete regional hegemony, India would be stupid to keep the status quo as it is; It would only be constricting itself. Basically, India has little choice in the matter.

This is nothing but the paranoid thinking your nation exhibits. In 1971 India allowed East Pakistan to become its own nation despite the fact it could easily have absorbed it into its territory similarly it could have taken the war to the West and taken control of Pakistan but instead it withdrew its forces from, now, Bangladesh and even handed back the 90,000 Pakistani PoWs it had in custody.


I'm not saying this approach is ideal, many Indians would like for its nation to be this aggressive hemogenic monster it is portrayed as but there is little to indicate this thinking prevails in the highest echelons of New Delhi.

 

[VelocuR]

Saudi Arabia wouldn't do anything to Pakistan while we need them against our arch rival neighbor in the past 12 years regarding war on terrorism, where are they? Last few years Saudi Arabia is growing special relationship with India while likely to stab back on Pakistan.

Saudi-India ties flourishing on strong footing

26 January 2015

Trade, manpower and political interaction have been the dominant factors in India’s relationship with Saudi Arabia, with the import of oil being a major component.

India views Saudi Arabia as an important country with which it can do business and forge security ties in order to deal with terrorism and piracy.

Diplomatically, Saudi Arabia could be a gateway for India into the wider Arab and Islamic world.

On the other hand, the Kingdom equally attaches great significance to its relations with India.

Saudi Arabia has reciprocated India’s initiatives relating to issues of mutual interest. It is time for both countries to work toward building a strong strategic partnership.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi recently met with the then Crown Prince Salman, while attending the G-20 Summit in Australia.

The two leaders discussed a range of bilateral, regional and international issues during their meeting on the sidelines of the G-20 Summit.

This was the first high-level interaction between India and Saudi Arabia after Modi came to power winning a huge mandate in the general elections last year.

But, the Kingdom and India have been traditional allies for decades together.

The two countries enjoy cordial and friendly relations, reflecting the centuries-old economic and socio-cultural ties. Indo-Saudi economic relations have shown remarkable growth with bilateral trade registering a three-fold increase in the last five years.

Saudi Arabia is the fourth largest trade partner of India and the bilateral trade was $48.75 billion in the financial year 2013-2014.

The bilateral relations are historical as for centuries traders and sailors from India have been coming to Saudi Arabia for bilateral exchanges.

The bilateral ties got reinforced and strengthened over a period of time. Now, the two countries enjoy multifaceted relations reflecting the centuries-old economic and socio cultural ties. In fact, the two countries established their diplomatic relations in 1947, which was followed by high-level visits from both sides as King Saud bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud visited India in 1955.

That royal visit was reciprocated by India’s first Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, who visited the Kingdom in 1956.
Over the years, the leadership of the two countries displayed a strong commitment to further enhance the historical bonds of friendship as Crown Prince Faisal bin Abdulaziz visited India in 1959 and Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi visited the Kingdom in 1982 and their visit further boosted the bilateral relations.

However, it was the historic visit of the late Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques King Abdullah to India in 2006, which resulted in signing the Delhi Declaration imparting a fresh momentum to the bilateral relationship as the visit provided the road map for cooperation in all fields of mutual interest.

The reciprocal visit of Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to Saudi Arabia in 2010 resulting in the signing the Riyadh Declaration heralded a new era of strategic partnership focusing on political, economic, security and defense areas comprehensively.

Since then the two countries have made concerted efforts toward significant progress in each of these areas.
Moreover, the two countries have maintained regular exchange of bilateral visits at all levels in the recent years. To this end, the then Crown Prince Salman, deputy premier minister of defense, now the custodian of the two holy mosques visited India in February 2014 and met with the Indian leadership to enhance bilateral cooperation. He also signed a historic defense pact.

Saudi Arabia and India have forged closer ties in the manpower sector. Minister of Labor Adel Fakeih also visited India from Jan. 1-4, 2014, in order to formalize a comprehensive labor agreement and for signing the Agreement on Labor Cooperation for Domestic Service Workers Recruitment.

From the Indian side, P Chidambaram, the then finance minister visited the Kingdom on Jan. 27-28, 2014 for the 10th joint commission meeting (JCM) and met with the then Crown Prince Salman, Prince Muqrin bin Abdulaziz, the then special envoy to Custodian of the Two

Holy Mosques King Abdullah and Commerce and Industry Minister Tawfiq Al-Rabiah.

Importantly, India sent a high-level delegation to attend the mourning ceremony of the late King Abdullah on Jan. 25.
Indian Vice President Hamid Ansari accompanied by a high-level delegation, including Minister of State Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi, Ghulam Nabi Azad, parliament member, senior journalist M.J. Akbar and a number of senior government officials visited Riyadh to offer condolences on the demise of King Abdullah.

They met with King Salman, Crown Prince Muqrin, deputy premier, Prince Mohammed bin Naif, second deputy premier and minister of interior, and the people of the Kingdom.

In the manpower sector, Indians represent the largest number of foreign workers in the Kingdom.

They are a strong 2.8 million community living across the Kingdom as one of the most preferred community here due to their expertise, sense of discipline, and law abiding and peace loving nature.

Their huge number in the Kingdom is the largest concentration of Indian passport holders anywhere in the world. Their contribution toward the massive development of India with highest contribution in remittances is well acknowledged.

Moreover, the Haj and Umrah pilgrimage is an important aspect of India-Saudi Arabia relations and the Indian government has always appreciated the efforts on the part of the Kingdom to put in place excellent arrangements to ensure comfortable and hassle-free Haj and Umrah experience. According to the Embassy of India, about 135,000 Indians visited the Kingdom during Haj 2013 to perform the annual pilgrimage and even more Indians performed Umrah.
In 2014, a total of 1,36,020 Indian pilgrims performed Haj, and these numbers are after the cut in the regular quota due to the ongoing expansion work in Makkah and Madinah, the two holy cities. Moreover, Indo-Saudi economic and commercial relations have been growing steadily in the recent. Notably, the import of crude oil by India forms a major component of bilateral trade with Saudi Arabia remaining India’s largest supplier of crude oil, accounting for almost 19 percent of its total oil requirements.

On the other hand, Saudi Arabia is the source of 8.12 percent of India’s global imports. For Saudi Arabia, India is the 5th largest market for its exports, accounting for 8.3 percent of its global exports. Notably, Indian companies have been expanding their footprint in Saudi Arabia as many of them have won major projects across the Kingdom. Recently, Essar, Larsen & Toubro (L&T), Wipro Arabia, and Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) have bagged prestigious projects in the Kingdom.

Furthermore, in November 2013, Saudi Basic Industries Corporation (SABIC) announced the launching of its R&D Center in Bangalore (now Bengaluru) with an investment of over $ 100 million.
According to Saudi Arabian General Investment Authority (SAGIA), 426 licenses were issued to Indian companies for joint ventures and 100 percent owned entities till 2010, which are expected to bring a total of $1.6 billion investment in the Kingdom.

However, given the depth and scale of the economies of the two countries, there exists vast untapped potential for expanding business opportunities.

Therefore, the Saudi India Business Network (SIBN) was launched last year in Riyadh for sector specific programs.
Moreover, the Indian Ministry of Tourism in collaboration with its embassy in Riyadh have been organizing road shows in different parts of the Kingdom and a huge number of Saudi nationals are visiting India for tourism purposes, especially to avail the benefits offered by medical tourism, which combines the concept of physical well-being with opportunity to visit different parts of India.

Saudi-India ties flourishing on strong footing | Arab News

 

[Desert Fox]

I'm not saying it has decided to "lower its guns" but it has hardly pursued a policy of disturbing the status quo- Pakistan has started all 4 wars with India.

I didn't ask you what you were taught in indian school text books.

India seeks to protect its own interests and in many instances this equates to undermining Pakistan but it is hardly doing so for the sake of it like the policy Pakistan pursues vis a vis India.

So you're saying undermining Pakistan has never been and never is india's goal?? That's a joke.

A weak, dismembered, and subservient Pakistan is what every successive indian gov.t has desired. This goal india desires to achieve no matter how.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I didn't ask you what you were taught in indian school text books.

I have never attended an Indian school nor read even a single page of an Indian textbook, I am an objective reader of history.

A weak, dismembered, and subservient Pakistan is what every successive indian gov.t has desired. This goal india desires to achieve no matter how.

Perhaps this is what they teach in Pakistani school textbooks. A weak Pakistan is preferable to the Indian establishment I can see that but not an unstable, radical and militant Pakistan. This is a HUGE liability and risk for India. Pakistan could actually be a massive market for India's goods that would be worth 100s of billions to India.

 

[Desert Fox]

I have never attended an Indian school nor read even a single page of an Indian textbook, I am an objective reader of history.

Then you should stop distorting history.

Perhaps this is what they teach in Pakistani school textbooks. A weak Pakistan is preferable to the Indian establishment I can see that but not an unstable, radical and militant Pakistan. Pakistan could actually be a massive market for India's goods that would be worth 100s of billions to India.

FYI, Never been to a Pakistani school.

Secondly, india desires exactly another Bangladesh on its Western border; a weak buffer state that greatly depends on india economically and who's gov.t is a weak indian puppet.

 

[Menace2Society]

IMHO geopolitically speaking Pakistan really does need to pick a side. Sitting on the fence will not win you any allies.

Either side with Iran or Saudi. Siding with Iran will not be a 2 way street as they are preoccupied with keeping India a happy customer and will do what it takes to keep this income, money is money and always talks loudest.

Allying with Saudi however will mean and it has meant oil supply for any conflicts Pakistan has with any other country. Pakistan provides the troops to help sustain Saudi dominance on its satellites and in return guaranteed oil supply (most likely on a soft loan in case of sudden war) if Pakistan breaks out in conflict with India. Does not have worry about what mood Uncle Sam is on the day.

This is 2 way street and a real alliance. Besides Iran don't need us, I don't think they need anyone.

Sitting on the fence umming and ahhing all this time is very weak. Neutrality would be perfect but unless Pakistan find a trillor dollar oil well realities will be realities.

 

[That Guy]

This is nothing but the paranoid thinking your nation exhibits. In 1971 India allowed East Pakistan to become its own nation despite the fact it could easily have absorbed it into its territory similarly it could have taken the war to the West and taken control of Pakistan but instead it withdrew its forces from, now, Bangladesh and even handed back the 90,000 Pakistani PoWs it had in custody.


I'm not saying this approach is ideal, many Indians would like for its nation to be this aggressive hemogenic monster it is portrayed as but there is little to indicate this thinking prevails in the highest echelons of New Delhi.

This isn't paranoia. If Pakistan India and BD were all the same nation, or if Pakistan and BD didn't exist, this would still happen. There is historical evidence to support my views.

Every growing power, and I mean EVERY growing power, must expand. This expansion inevitably leads to hegemonic goals, it has to, it has no other choice. If India was to stick to the status quo, it would never be able to grow economically, geopolitical, or even militarily.

Again, this isn't paranoia, there are various examples of this. The British Empire, the Ottoman Empire, the Russian Empire, the Mongolian Empire; Even today, with the USA. India is a growing empire, it is simply following the foot steps it needs to, in order for it to grow.

No one back during the 70s or 80s thought India would be where it is today, at least not this quickly, and justifiably so. There was little indication that India would be the massive power that it is today, in fact, there was more reason to believe that Pakistan would be in India's current position; Pakistan's population was relatively under control, it's economy was performing far better, it's military ties were numerous, and it was considered a part of the western block, finally, it was considered the guardian of regional stability in Asia, to counter the Russian attempts at subversion.

It's just the way things are, there is no need to be defensive about it.

Why wouldn't they?? They are in the OIC, aren't they?? And what does the OIC exist for??

And sure, Pakistan has no qualms in getting involved in attacking Yemen, or the Houthis, a country which doesn't even border us and an organization which has never been involved in any aggression against us, but however it completely makes no sense at all to stay neutral or at least if we are going to get involved we should try to play the role of a peace keeping force rather than pick sides.

OIC is a incompetent group, it has solved nothing, and has caused nothing. It's a group that was created for show, nothing more.

If Pakistan gets involved, it would be at the behest of Yemen, this wouldn't be attacking Yemen. The Yemeni government has requested assistance against rebels, not the other way around.

 

[A.M.]

I didn't ask you what you were taught in indian school text books.




So you're saying undermining Pakistan has never been and never is india's goal?? That's a joke.

A weak, dismembered, and subservient Pakistan is what every successive indian gov.t has desired. This goal india desires to achieve no matter how.

So who started the four wars?

 

[Sine Nomine]

India had Pakistan on its knees but left (West) Pakistan, relatively, untouched.

That never happened because 90% of Pakistani force was fully battle ready only one corps was lost some 45000 active army personal not all the Army.

 

[tarrar]

India is already taking full advantage of the situation created by corrupt politicians in Pakistan & corrupt politicians are protecting them as they have never taken India's name even after with proof in hand.

Pakistan should not deploy troops in Yemen what so ever as it will be dangerous for Pakistan, but if Pakistan does decide to go then it should be nothing more than aerial strikes & drone strikes.

But then there is no guarantee for anything as these Arabs are only finding ways to save their kingdom.

 

[Sine Nomine]

4: What contingency plan does the govt have if such a deployment fuels further sectarianism in Pakistan?

All points are valid sir,we have helped Arabs whatever we have in need of hour they are not to much concerned about defense of Pakistan,if KSA was so concerned about our defense then in past years it should have pressurized US to sell us viper and in case should have paid for that becasue he knew we are fighting with our all resources,that's Ummah.India+Iran nexus can not be dumped, because one is dying for Akhand Bharat and others power Hungary Mullahs are dreaming of Persian Empire on ashes of sunni states.And For India she desires a total control from Kabul to Rangoon,only Barrier between that goal is Pakistan,they will used every chance to fulfill there goal.For bold part sir we need to deal any kind of sectarian bullshit with such power that it's completely razed of face of Earth if we want to avoid another 15 years of fight and 16 DEC 2014.

 

[Imran Khan]

say no to rent a army

 

[Dalit]

Guess who has spoken. The cat is out of the bag. You just know that things are really screwed when the Yanks start offering free advice for joining their war. This makes it even more imperative to not join the war. It is also very very funny to see the White House act as a spokesman of the Pak army. The White House knows for a fact that joining the Yemen operation won't affect Pakistan's war at home. Seems like we don't require the services of the ISPR anymore. We have found ourselves a new representative and spokesperson of the Pak army.

Yemen operation not to affect Pakistan’s capabilities, says US - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

 

[Desert Fox]

So who started the four wars?

You tell me.