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PAF would have been much better off with 18 Rafaels instead of 36 J-10B.
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Priceeeeeeeeeeee and count will not stop at 36. This is something we cant do with Rafale. I will prefer Typhoons over Rafales.
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18 Rafales + weapons & avionic package for JF-17II will be a great deal, but still a bit expensive,Thales RC-400 will be able to Fire METEOR, if we ever went for this AAM
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J-10B estimated price is said to be around 40-45 million dollars.. By the time it enters in service 4.5 generation MRCA will be ahead and J-10B will be 10 years behind, so we cant really associated "great bang for the bucks" with J-10B. JF-17 blockII and III will prove to be as good as the J-10B so i dont really see a need to go for another similar platform. EF or Rafeal would have been a better high tech solution to counter IAF SH and MKI threat....
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The specifications of J-10B are not out yet & we all know that most probably it will be the French avionics or if Indians rejected MiG-35, there is an option to go for Zhuk AESA & have to agree that JF-17II & III will eventually reach the level of J-10B...
Problem is how many Rafales we can afford or we may forget J-10B & simply go for Rafales,with avionics & weapons package for JF-17II
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No one on face of this planet know about J-10B's avionics. I don't now who you come across so much judgmental comments. Why J-10B will lag behind 10 years why not 11 or 9?
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What you thing which one is older Rafale or J-10B?? I think it is Rafale. Any system that is made after wards always catches what exists before. J-10B is harldy start flying with CAC and here people are suggessting it is lagging behind 10 years... I can't understand HOW?
JF-17 Block II or III will be not around 2014-15 time line for FC-20. Today's Rafale will find it difficult to match with then J-10B don;t assume that it will not evolve further.
Not taking anything away from Rafale but thing is please don't under estimate other platform only because its origin is in our East.
Still typhoons are better option than Rafale if it comes to PAF.But i don't think there is any chance PAF will ever get them
sadly.
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The specifications of J-10B are not out yet & we all know that most probably it will be the French avionics or if Indians rejected MiG-35, there is an option to go for Zhuk AESA & have to agree that JF-17II & III will eventually reach the level of J-10B...
Problem is how many Rafales we can afford or we may forget J-10B & simply go for Rafales,with avionics & weapons package for JF-17II
JF-17 Block II or III will not upgraded in a way that will increase its cost too much. So i don't see much changes in airframe, I think it is freezed may be a full buble canopy come up but no much more. It will be updated electronically to keep the cost down and to minimize the per unit price. PAF need these in numbers. It is not Hi-Tech aircraft in PAF. Hi-tech end will remain with J-10B,F-16M + may be one European one but that is unlikely at present.
We can afford J-10B in hundreds but not rafale or Typhoons. Going for Western avionics package is good and i am afraid if Rafale quits from MRCA French will make every possible effort to sell this to PAF as it has yet to find any customer. Best option is to invest in J-10B more and more any Western solution would be temporary.
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The specifications of J-10B are not out yet & we all know that most probably it will be the French avionics or if Indians rejected MiG-35, there is an option to go for Zhuk AESA & have to agree that JF-17II & III will eventually reach the level of J-10B...
Problem is how many Rafales we can afford or we may forget J-10B & simply go for Rafales,with avionics & weapons package for JF-17II
Will Russia be allowing us ZHuk AESA radars? What about europe? Will J-10B be lucky enough to receive par to european 4.5 generation MRCA avionics radars and other systems? What about armament package? Chinese cant offer any better AAM then SD-10 and mind you MICA and Aim-120 C5 are much more capable AAMs..
Sorry to say but if FC-20 is entirely a Chinese system then PAF has to seriously think again..
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Growler you assume too much yourself....What makes you think PAF would buy J10B if it was inferior to lets just say F16 Block52....?..Can JF-17 provide same payload and range like J10B..not to mention that there is no such thing as JF-17 block 2 or 3..you're just assuming yourself.Besides, i am sure there is no comparison of maintenance costs between J10B and Rafale.You're just comparing J10B to F18 without knowing its specs, radar, weapons etc.Just assuming too much>There is no public info on J10B so how can you compare it to F18....?by the way PAF did customize the old but goldie F-7PG so what makes you think they wont customize J10..at one point you say PAF cant get europeon radars but then you say PAF can get europeon jets..Your statements are contradicting..
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My reaction was just like yours when i struck conversation with army officers.. i was being deluded just like you... i was too patriotically blind for china..
I think you are the one who is assuming or taking my words out of context.. of course J-10B has to be technically superior to f-16 block 52...
oh i am merely using my common sense.. newer version of any system is associated with "blocks or tranches" what ever you wanna call it... first 50 JF-17 with chinese version will be block 1.... then when we strike a deal with frenchies for radar avionics and armaments the better version of jf-17 will be block II and then PAF has a requirement for equipping with AESA and even more advance technology so we can call that a block III....
and also.... as for J-10B vs RAFALE super hornet.... first kindly tell me which country R&D better technology? let me help you...
1. USA
2. France
3. China
given the task to develop a 6th generation Fighter... which country will produce the best fighter in shorter period of time?
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