Rafale Locks on F-22 And Typhoon

[Akasa]

The Rafale has features that no other plane outside of the F-22/35 have

On what basis do you draw this allegation?

when it hasn't even produced a contemporary engine, let alone a next genertion engine

The WS-10, of which there are at least four iterations, serve in well over 300 J-11B/10B/15/16 aircraft. The WS-15 core made its first run in 2006 and passed ground tests just last year. The WS-13, in the thrust class of the Snecma M88 and EJ200, has been conducting tests aboard a JF-17 prototype.

Of course, there are high-bypass variants of the aforementioned engines as well. The WS-20 has been already tested on a Il-76 testbed while the civilian SF-A is slated to enter production in 2016.

If China had done so they would have a 4.5++ gen fighter of the same calibre of the Rafale and would then make the jump to 5th gen

They do; they are named the J-10C, J-15, J-16, and, fairly soon, the J-11D. Granted, technical nuances do exist between the platforms, but as long as we are talking of "calibre", such a comparison is fair game.

And I bet this F-22/35/Rafale beater is only going to cost $30mn too? @Vauban

Whatever the cost, I'd wager that it'll be lower than that of the F-35.

 

[Akasa]

OH! I'm not sayin' China is not developing fast nor that a ghost won't be found,
just that it won't happen tomorrow ... unless you mean Indian tomorrow like.

Seeing the 35s as a stop-gap measure makes sense too. Still, that means a gap
exists ...

... but mainly, of the Chinese products, the J-31 is the less credible as a weapon.
That's all!

Have a great day, Tay.

Hi, Tay;

I think that a few have misconstrued the Su-35 deal. Had the Su-35 been ordered in quantities exceeding one hundred, and during which no other comparable platform was being developed, then yes, it would have certainly been a stopgap. Not quite.

The fact that comparable platforms like the J-11D continue to be flown and the Chinese allegedly plan to retrofit the Su-35 with their own subsystems dispels that hypothesis.

 

[MICA]

persistent rumor that the Chinese are retrofitting the Su-35s with their own avionics and weapons, geopolitics and an interplay of bilateral economics are far more likely the driving forces behind this deal than is a need for new capabilities.

So china ordered the Su-35 for it's Fuselage and Engines only , that makes no sense sorry

 

[Akasa]

So chine ordered the Su-35 for it's Fuselage and Engines only , that makes no sense sorry

Why not? The Israelis ordered F-35s with similar requirements.

 

[Windjammer]

Typhoon kills the F-22 Raptor......scroll down.....

And F-16 Repeatedly locks on the Typhoon.....what does that tell us. !!!

 

[Freyja]

Typhoon kills the F-22 Raptor......scroll down.....

EA-18 Growler with F-22 kill mark.

Rafale is a great aircraft, Typhoon too, but locking onto the Raptor isn't that great of an achievement within visual range if we don't know the exercise's parameters and restrictions.

Achieving a BVR kill is a more stunning feat.

 

[Beast]

??? But : http://tass.ru/en/defense/837662 ?
Am I missing something or are you?

Read you later.

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There, fixed that for you!
The J-31 is an empty shell, its ghost hasn't arrived yet!

Sorry, Tay.

I think you will eat back your words few weeks later. Trust me!

 

[UKBengali]

Other than so-called VLO features in what areas does the J-31 actually outclass the Rafale by such a margin that it can be assured of a kill? Avionics? Propulsion? Sensor fusion? None of the above?

The Rafale has features that no other plane outside of the F-22/35 have and is being continuously developed, the notion that China has somehow developed a Rafale beater when it hasn't even produced a contemporary engine, let alone a next genertion engine is ludicrious to say the least. If China had done so they would have a 4.5++ gen fighter of the same calibre of the Rafale and would then make the jump to 5th gen, instead we are expected to beleive they have leap-frogged that stage just because you want it to be true SO badly.

And I bet this F-22/35/Rafale beater is only going to cost $30mn too? @Vauban


A little bit of critical reasoning is needed before making such tall claims.

Heard of WS-10A that is powering over a hundred J-11 fighters as we speak?

The first production J-31s will be equipped with the WS-13A that will be equivalent to the M-88-2 or Eurojet engines of the 2000s. Sometime next decade(2025?), expect the definite 5th generation engines to be ready for installation on J-31

J-31 will inherit a cut-down version of the avionics that has been already developed for J-20 and so that side will be world-class.

Pakistani pilots will be very bored when faced with India pilots in Rafales as they would kill Rafales with ease.

 

[ravi gupta]

Typhoon kills the F-22 Raptor......scroll down.....

And F-16 Repeatedly locks on the Typhoon.....what does that tell us. !!!

That F-16 will easily take down rafales.
and F-16 is the battle proven plane.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Pakistani pilots will be very bored when faced with India pilots in Rafales as they would kill Rafales with ease.

@PARIKRAMA @Stephen Cohen @knight11 @Taygibay @Vauban @Picdelamirand-oil @anant_s @Nilgiri

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Typhoon kills the F-22 Raptor......scroll down.....

And F-16 Repeatedly locks on the Typhoon.....what does that tell us. !!!

it tells us that tejas is better than F-22

because

F-22 is trumped by Typhoon
Typhoon is trumped by F-16
F-16 is trumped by JF-17 (claim)
Tejas is better and JF-17 is relic, paper plane, runs on grass ..

therefore Tejas is better than F-22 and can take you to Mars and back in single fuel tank

 

[Windjammer]

That F-16 will easily take down rafales.
and F-16 is the battle proven plane.

No, it tells us they are all useless since none have the experience of shooting down a balloon.

it tells us that tejas is better than F-22

because

F-22 is trumped by Typhoon
Typhoon is trumped by F-16
F-16 is trumped by JF-17 (claim)
Tejas is better and JF-17 is relic, paper plane, runs on grass ..

therefore Tejas is better than F-22 and can take you to Mars and back in single fuel tank

Man that was ingenuity at it's best. Awesome. !!

 

[UKBengali]

@PARIKRAMA @Stephen Cohen @knight11 @Taygibay @Vauban @Picdelamirand-oil @anant_s @Nilgiri

You really think a puny 2.5 trillion US economy has any chance against a 11 trillion US economy that is growing 4-5 times as quick as we speak?

 

[knight11]

HAHA, even J-7 can kill F-22 Raptor and picture might me there with lock on.

In Reality

F-22 is the Master Piece of the Engineering followed by EF-2000 Typhoon.
As far as dogfight is concerned, there will be no dogfight at all, because 99.99 % cases the enemy won't even know who have him and from where, whether he is on any combat plane present.