Rafale jets are not enough to face Pakistani JF 17: Shahid Latif

[SIPRA]

Exactly speaking on behalf on IAF,
they need to have the 1st) technology &
than 2nd) enough quantity just in order to face the jf-17s threat.

Yes ..... and good pilots like Abhinandan, also in "enough quantity".

 

[dbc]

paging @BON PLAN emergency Rafale propaganda needed.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Don't make lame excuse he is talking logically,
PAF has established self sufficiency in manufacturing own technology & units in abundance to date.

No HAL Tejas DOES NOT come in the SAME league as Jf-17s this is some marketing tactic that Indian websites try to portray HAL Coffin to match up with popular product as Jf-17 simply.

How can you just rhetorically say J10C is behind when You CAN'T EVEN MANUFACTURE YOUR OWN RAFALES to name a few? How the heck can you ridicule another nations technology as China sitting on top of your Country ready to bite huge piece of your land as theirs? eh ? Just nonsense won't get you far in this thread.

Pakistan is not designed a trainer aircraft... Sorry, I don't want to go on dept discussion...

In short- PAF does not have Aero infrastructure, R&D center, Testing tunnel, industry, etc to develop and build 4th generation aircraft.

You should be thankful to China for JF 17 and Karakorum-8.

 

[Solidify]

It is shameful that people like Shahid Latif make bold claims and belittle jets such as Rafale which is considered one of the best 4.5++ Gen Jet of the century, He could rather focus on the positives of Thunders but trying to belittle top of the line French technology which is considered best of the best is just shameful!

And the Indian media don't say a lot of nonsense everytime Jf-17 comes into the picture.
Just listen to Indian propuganda media it is absolutely not logical at all.

 

[cloud4000]

You mean why did Modi of India said he was gonna buy 127 Rafales ? instead opted for lousy 36 fighter units only?
Where is the corruption of your leader?

J-10Cs are in league of their own. India has to deal with Jf-17s Block III 1st ??? And then mention about J-10Cs later if they can over come 1st batch?

You make a good point! PAF should launch a surprise attack on India right now. Let's see what these JF-17s and J-10s can do against the Rafale. It would be an interesting battle.

This statement is true about IAF has nothing to show to the illiterate masses of India.

You would think illiterate masses in India have other things to worry about. Why are you concerned? Are the illiterate masses in Pakistan better off? Asking for a friend.

 

[FuturePAF]

The JF-17 is a platform with a flight profile that if employed with the right mission planning and tactics would be a match for the Rafale. Chinese electronics have fast caught up to western systems (at least European systems), so its conceivable on a one to one T/R module basis they are a match, but the smaller radar of the JF-17 is the limitation, hence the need for a larger J-10 platform.

The J-10 fleet will probably go to 90+ per past PAF history of other planes and will be used to deal with the Rafales and F/A-18s, while the JF-17 will be there for all other platforms.

Having said that the JF-17 should be pushed to its limits of its design (internal electronic upgrades and decoys; such as sensors with AI to let the pilot know where enemy missiles inbound are maneuvering towards the aircraft so the pilot can take the right moves and launch necessary micro missile decoys; both projects underdevelopment in the west) to deal with even these two frontline IAF/IN platforms.

 

[Solidify]

Pakistan is not designed a trainer aircraft... Sorry, I don't want to go on dept discussion...

In short- PAF does not have Aero infrastructure, R&D center, Testing tunnel, industry, etc to develop and build 4th generation aircraft.

You should be thankful to China for JF 17 and Karakorum-8.

Pakistan has full capacity to produce trainer aircraft.
Jf-17B is model number.

JF-17 two-seat variant – The Diplomat

Asia-Pacific’s leading current affairs magazine.

thediplomat.com

What a load of rubbish, maybe this question should ask HAL industry what happened with Tejas coffin ? eh?

Yes we are greatful to China not America for providing ToT.

 

[Mav3rick]

And the Indian media don't say a lot of nonsense everytime Jf-17 comes into the picture.
Just listen to Indian propuganda media it is absolutely not logical at all.

Oh bhai, let them bark if they even want to bark. What would be the difference between them and us if we also stoop down to the same level?

 

[Solidify]

You make a good point! PAF should launch a surprise attack on India right now. Let's see what these JF-17s and J-10s can do against the Rafale. It would be an interesting battle.

You would think illiterate masses in India have other things to worry about. Why are you concerned? Are the illiterate masses in Pakistan better off? Asking for a friend.

I agree to a point.
However when talking about illiterate masses of India
we have falsified facts on the ground especially concerning the military of India.
Where India lies above & beyond where image it paints to average Indians that Pakistan does NOT posses Nukes. Thats it!
Where Pakistan illiterates are concerned its to do with economy & corruption within the establishment of pml ppp & the corrupted mafia.
So when it comes to war which is what this thread is about than the average Pakistani is better equipped.

Oh bhai, let them bark if they even want to bark. What would be the difference between them and us if we also stoop down to the same level?

No the point is to significantly show how WRONG they are in calculating any type of Indian Victory in the Air at all.

 

[huanghong]

The JF-17 is a platform with a flight profile that if employed with the right mission planning and tactics would be a match for the Rafale. Chinese electronics have fast caught up to western systems (at least European systems), so its conceivable on a one to one T/R module basis they are a match, but the smaller radar of the JF-17 is the limitation, hence the need for a larger J-10 platform.

The J-10 fleet will probably go to 90+ per past PAF history of other planes and will be used to deal with the Rafales and F/A-18s, while the JF-17 will be there for all other platforms.

Having said that the JF-17 should be pushed to its limits of its design (internal electronic upgrades and decoys; such as sensors with AI to let the pilot know where enemy missiles inbound are maneuvering towards the aircraft so the pilot can take the right moves and launch necessary micro missile decoys; both projects underdevelopment in the west) to deal with even these two frontline IAF/IN platforms.

In fact, the diameter of the radar antenna of the jf-17 is larger than that of the Rafale fighter. But at the same time, there is a big gap between the two sides in the combat thrust-to-weight ratio. The Rafale undoubtedly has better flight performance.

 

[SIPRA]

In fact, the diameter of the radar antenna of the jf-17 is larger than that of the Rafale fighter. But at the same time, there is a big gap between the two sides in the combat thrust-to-weight ratio. The Rafale undoubtedly has better flight performance.

Our principal reliance is on Indian pilots. They are a great asset to Pakistan.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Pakistan has full capacity to produce trainer aircraft.
Jf-17B is model number.

JF-17 two-seat variant – The Diplomat

Asia-Pacific’s leading current affairs magazine.

thediplomat.com

What a load of rubbish, maybe this question should ask HAL industry what happened with Tejas coffin ? eh?

Yes we are greatful to China not America for providing ToT.

It is just like ..India is doing with SU MKI from SU 30....

 

[Foinikas]

My humble opinion:

Rafale better than JF-17,but Pakistan pilots better than Indian.

 

[Solidify]

It is just like ..India is doing with SU MKI from SU 30....

India needs to catchup a huge amount just the remain equal thats the point.
India has to purchase, train man power, bring tactical & strategy in the arena.
PAF has to sit & wait only in terms of AIR Superiority it has now merely.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

India needs to catchup a huge amount just the remain equal thats the point.
India has to purchase, train man power, bring tactical & strategy in the arena.
PAF has to sit & wait only in terms of AIR Superiority it has now merely.

Unsure, what you mean by the above senetense.

Is pAF pilots got any international certificates that they are better?

It is just their own believe - Every people believe that their pilots are best.