Rafale deal: France says no to offset, yes to 'Make in India'

[Indian Jatt]

Leave this 50% return investment, this 50% clause is the only thing that has sky rocketed the deal, its like saying
“nanga nahyega kya aur nichodega kya"......what will french gain if them payback 50% of it in India as investment....... Thats why a $100 million plane is costing us $200 million dollars per piece.......remove this clause and u will see an amazing drop in rates.....

 

[GURU DUTT]

Leave this 50% return investment, this 50% clause is the only thing that has sky rocketed the deal, its like saying
“nanga nahyega kya aur nichodega kya"......what will french gain if them payback 50% of it in India as investment....... Thats why a $100 million plane is costing us $200 million dollars per piece.......remove this clause and u will see an amazing drop in rates.....

you are right no one gives TOT for just 2 to 4 squads of any fighter + rafales are good until FGFA/PAK-FA are fully oprational in IAF

 

[sathya]

Leave this 50% return investment, this 50% clause is the only thing that has sky rocketed the deal, its like saying
“nanga nahyega kya aur nichodega kya"......what will french gain if them payback 50% of it in India as investment....... Thats why a $100 million plane is costing us $200 million dollars per piece.......remove this clause and u will see an amazing drop in rates.....

Current price is without 50% offset, if reinvestment is added price will increase ..
Ie price will increase more than 200 million $

 

[Roman 12]

Wise word. India shall stop arguing but instead give in to all French demand. The French are people with pride who place profit below. Trying to outwit French will only end up in disaster like Russian Mistral deal.

lol we are even more stubborn than them kid.
even though we are suffering from low squadrons we still are not ready to give in and see because of their stubbornness they have lost 90 aircraft now go and find out how much money they lost

 

[GURU DUTT]

lol we are even more stubborn than them kid.
even though we are suffering from low squadrons we still are not ready to give in and see because of their stubbornness they have lost 90 aircraft now go and find out how much money they lost

most of the problems indian defnce faces these days are deu to corruption and incomptence in decsission makers of indian polictial elite , MOD and armed forces

these IAF genrals a few moths back were propogating french built rafales and when they were finalli getting them but not the kickbacks they started showing tantrums like a spoilt brat to intigrate still is R&D phase systems into french built machiense and raising the ante of "offset clause" if they are so patriotic why did they kept changing the goal posts for LCA and were reluctant to induct LCA just because they were 500 KG havier while were turning a blind eye when rookie pilots were killed in mig 21s & mig27s

 

[Beast]

lol we are even more stubborn than them kid.
even though we are suffering from low squadrons we still are not ready to give in and see because of their stubbornness they have lost 90 aircraft now go and find out how much money they lost

Go ahead and pit yourself against the French. I am not stopping you Indian.

 

[dray]

at the risk of sounding pessimistic, i guess writing in on the wall. to me its quite clear that now if the negotiations falter further and there is no consensus by say november this year, Rafale purchase is dead (even the 36 pieces proposed by this government).
One thing that baffles me is when PM Modi asked for quick purchase of 36 pieces, he would've briefed Indian stand (on conditions etc) to French President. When france in return commented that they are offering some really attractive conditions, price would perhaps be their only focus. Question here is did India tell them how they wish to procure 36 pieces and were France aware of the questions (while making an offer), negotiators are now posing?
Now when as per IAF's requirements, some additional detailing is required, things are going to cost more.
& if in these circumstances, Indian negotiators are using the old template for negotiations including the conditions required by DPP (offset etc), i'm afraid we are heading towards another logjam.
@Abingdonboy @Gabriel92 @Taygibay

So much fuss while buying, that too when Rafale don't even have many buyers...imagine the drama we can expect when the jets are sold and we will need servicing and upgrades. Upgrading Mirages costed us a bomb! I think it is a good idea to slowly drop the Rafale negotiations and fill up the gap with more of what we already have (Sukhois, maybe with further upgrades), and expedite the LCA MK-II project and FGFA, that will save us on logistics also. Agreed that Rafale is a good plane, but buying it will cause us long term pains in everything during its lifetime, morning shows the day!

 

[sathya]

most of the problems indian defnce faces these days are deu to corruption and incomptence in decsission makers of indian polictial elite , MOD and armed forces

these IAF genrals a few moths back were propogating french built rafales and when they were finalli getting them but not the kickbacks they started showing tantrums like a spoilt brat to intigrate still is R&D phase systems into french built machiense and raising the ante of "offset clause" if they are so patriotic why did they kept changing the goal posts for LCA and were reluctant to induct LCA just because they were 500 KG havier while were turning a blind eye when rookie pilots were killed in mig 21s & mig27s

IAF changed and modified their requirements for LCA so many times
Let us see if they get even single modification in Rafale.

 

[OTTOMAN]

India should expedite the whole process...Rafales are urgently required.

Why urgently required?

50 % offset
Israeli HMD
American missiles
Indian Astra
@ better pricing

Not to mention Nirbhay later on

I don't think even 36 is possible to buy.
I don't think France will allow all or any of these.

Why don't you do this offset with SU?

 

[sathya]

Why urgently required?



Why don't you do this offset with SU?

It's a deal made in 1998 I think.. Further orders are made in India already ..
We have the source codes and can modify Sukhoi as we want , like bhramos integration ..

It's a deal more than just offsets...

 

[OTTOMAN]

It's a deal made in 1998 I think.. Further orders are made in India already ..
We have the source codes and can modify Sukhoi as we want , like bhramos integration ..

It's a deal more than just offsets...

Ja ja.. its the nuclear tech. you are after.. its obvious you and mullas of Iran failed to make anything good out of the blue prints received from Benazi Bhutto.
French are in driving position... they should realize that its some thing else which Indians are after.

 

[C130]

let me get this right the original 126 fighter MMRCA deal fell through
so they came up with the 36 fighter deal to save face
now that 36 fighter deal might fall through as well
so what do they do now to save face if their is any face left to save


bureaucracy is killing India.

 

[OTTOMAN]

let me get this right the original 126 fighter MMRCA deal fell through
so they came up with the 36 fighter deal to save face
now that 36 fighter deal might fall through as well
so what do they do now to save face if their is any face left to save


bureaucracy is killing India.

India can't build jets which is a fact, but they cannot throw out the false ego of 'indigenous indian made' they also have to show DRDO as success because reputation of its education depends on it. Together with fighter jet India need nuclear tech. as we all know what happened at pokhran.

Actually, I pity Indian bureaucrats.. by all means, its a tough cookie which they have been given to crack.

 

[I M Sikander]

50 % offset
Israeli HMD
American missiles
Indian Astra
@ better pricing

Not to mention Nirbhay later on

I don't think even 36 is possible to buy.
I don't think France will allow all or any of these.

Iaf is never final with any thing. They behave like the kid who think if i had waited for two more months, i might have purchased the better cell phone.

 

[doublemaster]

As per the other reports they are setting price tag similar to Egypt deal.