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NEW DELHI: Faced with continuing deadlock in the mega deal to acquire 126 French Rafale fighters, India is now pressing the throttle to seal the even bigger project with Russia for the stealth fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA).

India has told Russia it wants deliveries of the FGFA to begin in 36 months after the main contract is inked, instead of the 94 months envisaged earlier, top defence sources said.

With this "accelerated delivery timeframe" becoming the main objective, India is ready to forego the earlier plan for a 50:50 design and work-share agreement with Russia on its under-development FGFA called PAK-FA or Sukhoi T-50.

India is also no longer insisting that all the single-seat stealth fighters required by IAF be built in India by defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics at its Ozar facility. "We have agreed to a lesser work-share for a realistic contract, with the initial lot of the FGFA being imported and the rest being made here under technology transfer," said a source.

"Like for the Russian Sukhoi-30MKI fighters (majority of the 272 Sukhois contracted for $12 billion are being made by HAL), the curve in technology absorption will also be steep in the FGFA project," he added.

Faced with a sharp decline in the number of fighter squadrons in IAF, India wants to fast-track the FGFA project under which its "perspective multi-role fighter" will be based on PAK-FA but tweaked to its requirements.

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The final FGFA design contract has been hanging fire since India and Russia completed their initial work under the $295 million preliminary design contract signed in December 2010. India will overall spend around $25 billion on the FGFA project if it goes ahead with its plan to induct 127 such fighters, as earlier reported by TOI.

All this has gained urgency since India feels French aviation major Dassault is being needlessly intransigent over the pricing mechanism in the final negotiations for the over $20 billion MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) project. Under it, the first 18 Rafale fighters were to be delivered off-the-shelf, with the remaining 108 being produced in India.

"But Dassault's costing for the 108 Rafales to be built by HAL has undergone a major hike. It amounts to changing the price line that led to Rafale's selection over Eurofighter Typhoon as the L-1 (lowest bidder) in the MMRCA competition," said the source.

"The MoD simply cannot sign the contract if the L-1 price is altered. Dassault should relent and stick to its commercial bid submitted in response to the original RFP (request for proposal)," he added.

Both sides are furiously working to break the deadlock since India wants to take a final call on the MMRCA project before Prime Minister Narendra Modi visits France in early-April, as earlier reported by TOI.

Rafale deadlock gives thrust to Russian 5th-gen jet project - The Times of India
 
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BS. In no way is the PAK-FA/FGFA a suitable replacment for the MMRCA/Rafale and going down this route would utterly cripple the IAF on a day to day basis. Oh and let's not forget the contract for the FGFA is STILL not signed either.

Anyway the report is catergorically wrong on many counts including the price.

This is the same paper that ran a story saying India had signed a deal for 24 Rafales just a few days back.
 
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BS. In no way is the PAK-FA/FGFA a suitable replacment for the MMRCA/Rafale and going down this route would utterly cripple the IAF on a day to day basis. Oh and let's not forget the contract for the FGFA is STILL not signed either.

Anyway the report is catergorically wrong on many counts including the price.

This is the same paper that ran a story saying India had signed a deal for 24 Rafales just a few days back.
Mate can you just confirmed that the amount of Jaguar TOT handover by british and french was almost 90% compare to Sukhoi(which is 60-70%). This is one of the reason HAL can start the production of Jaguar from scratch within no time if needed.
 
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What the report says is the half baked story. The 36 month point is bcz india is going to use the MKI route for PAKFA too. The same was posted in PAKFA thread..

New Delhi has suggested to Moscow that the T-50 fighter jet (being built as an FGFA) can be supplied to the Indian Air Force (IAF) while the research to improve upon the aircraft can carry on simultaneously. The same formula of graded improvements was applied in the case of Sukhoi-30 MkI jets.
Sukhoi PAK-FA / FGFA: Updates,News & Discussions | Page 154


Thus the timeframe automatically changes. Comparision with MMRCA is ridiculous to be honest. PAKFA or FGFA is not about supplementing the depleting squadron numbers. It is simply about taking the capability of IAF to next level and utilise the changes in technology against newer ADs and 5G fighters for effective countermeasures in different mission configurations.

BTW ruskies are offering way too many things and trying to shoot down rafale as mistral revenge. Nowaday everything is with a line "to replace MMRCA or Rafales 126 or MIg 21/27 or depleting squadron" or put all these words in one article and make a good mixture of everything. Overall in another thread Su35 Stealth :o::o::o: or now Su34 (Bomber) :p::p: or anything else or anything or everything is a bit too much.. Its better they talk with MOD with concrete presentations instead of always lauching a media campaign with no winning of any contract and unnecessary expenses.
 
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Should have bought the Gripen in hindsight and used the tech transfer for the LCA

Russia today in this position will give greater benefits because they need hard cash, India 'could' use what it has gained from being a partner in this program for the AMCA but absorbing the technology is uncertain.
 
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Rafale dead is pretty much dead and has been for some time. Its only fan boys who do not want to accept reality.

Sepecat Jaguar cost only 8 Million $ per aircraft and with upgraded engines an carry upto 6,500 Kg of ordnance and if you combine that with PAK FA it will provide adequate strike capability, both in Hi-Hi and Lo-Lo mode.
 
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BS. In no way is the PAK-FA/FGFA a suitable replacment for the MMRCA/Rafale and going down this route would utterly cripple the IAF on a day to day basis. Oh and let's not forget the contract for the FGFA is STILL not signed either.

Anyway the report is catergorically wrong on many counts including the price.

This is the same paper that ran a story saying India had signed a deal for 24 Rafales just a few days back.

How about a mix of Su-34 (say 3 sqds) with advance delivery of PAKFA and in more numbers?

I believe MKIs are good enough if not the best to carry ground attacks

Or simply buy 3 sqds of F-18 off the shelves. This way we can judge US in long term without heavily dependent on Russia.
 
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some time it seems like " like bollywood actresses , india likes to stay on front page of news all the time using this deal"
What left is "Zee tv's drama's" background music. which some of channels are already playing while showing news update on india's MRCA deal.
 
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some time it seems like " like bollywood actresses , india likes to stay on front page of news all the time using this deal"
What left is "Zee tv's drama's" background music. which some of channels are already playing while showing news update on india's MRCA deal.

And there is no lack of pakistani watching the same drama and then coming on PDF to show their knowledge about the same.
 
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