Racism among South Asians

[Mirzali Khan]

For first yeah but hey listen to another two friends of mine have indian girlfriends and wanna know their excuse, it because of the attrocities committed aganist muslims by hindus all that rape and kidnapping during partition so they are just kind of taking revenge and having fun, its the thinking of irish pakistani's and second the mums mostly never find but the dad's make it clear if its for fun **** away who ever u want but u will marry a muslim most probably a pakistani. And for me i know haram shit is haram, been here for like 4 years. And in liberal families they don't care about what there girls are doing but in middle class religious she would be most probably sent to pakistan and married off there.

Yea it depends on how religious the family is. If the dad of the family is usually secular then the children marry gorey or are secular like them.

In USA that doenst happen but women get more “pressure” to not do zina as their “marriage value goes down??” (Idk what this means I just heard it from somewhere)

Guys can get away with having 2-3 bodies but a woman will have more trouble settling down if she does. Unfair standards as it’s not in Islam as there’s equal punishment but it is what it is.

Nowadays there’s changing dynamic, lots of the religious to semi religious families are realizing that blue balling your sons till 30 for marriage makes them do more Haram so now it’s getting increasingly common to marry young. The guy is usually 23/25 and the girl is 18-20.

Young shaadi rates will increase

Doesn't happen in US, they just face more flack than men that's all

Yea bro compared to 10 years ago to now lots of stuff has changed

10 years ago a Pashtana marrying a non Pashtoon was unthinkable but now it’s getting common as parents end up having someone that is 30+ and isn’t finding anyone.

Young marriage rates are skyrocketing now

Society progresses in its weird ways.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Yea bro compared to 10 years ago to now lots of stuff has changed

10 years ago a Pashtana marrying a non Pashtoon was unthinkable but now it’s getting common as parents end up having someone that is 30+ and isn’t finding anyone.

Young marriage rates are skyrocketing now

Society progresses in its weird ways.

happens as time goes on I guess, it never happened in diaspora afaik but back home at least during my parent's generation it was not normal to marry out of clan but now it's not an issue anymore to cross clans
although I don't think inter-ethnic is normalized even now, In diaspora its probably happening because of lack of options imo

 

[TheSolution]

My cousin told me that if a girl is big on concealing sins and if you ask her if shes a virgin and her reply is "it is between me and Allah" then its most likely she had a bad past.

In my area, pak girls try to go for religion or same ethnicity/nationality. Some pak guys don't care others only want Muslim.

Its 50/50 split on who saves themself for shaadi with girls having a higher percentage.

Same here pretty much

But even if she doesn't say it's between her and Allah, a lot of them will even just lie and say they are a virgin.

(Even those that are virgins aren't always innocent, there's other *activities* also)

 

[Mirzali Khan]

happens as time goes on I guess, it never happened in diaspora afaik but back home at least during my parent's generation it was not normal to marry out of clan but now it's not an issue anymore to cross clans
although I don't think inter-ethnic is normalized even now, In diaspora its probably happening because of lack of options imo

Urban areas its getting increasingly common for inter ethnic marriage. As urbanization is furthered then stuff like ethnicity/tribe/clan becomes irrelevant.

Diaspora it happens a lot because of lack of options yea ur right

 

[TheSolution]

happens as time goes on I guess, it never happened in diaspora afaik but back home at least during my parent's generation it was not normal to marry out of clan but now it's not an issue anymore to cross clans
although I don't think inter-ethnic is normalized even now, In diaspora its probably happening because of lack of options imo

I reckon inter-ethnic is happening in the heavily multi-ethnic cities?

Perhaps Islamabad, Karachi and Lahore maybe

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Same here pretty much

But even if she doesn't say it's between her and Allah, a lot of them will even just lie and say they are a virgin.

Well for someone to lie thats pretty heinous, if you 2 are actually in love I don't think a person would do that.

The trick to prevent that from happening is to right it in your nikkah contract that for your condition of nikkah the girl has to be a virgin.

If she lies then marriage is obviously anulled and you can just dip out on her and you won't get punishment from Allah (SWT) as she is the one who lied.

(Even those that are virgins aren't always innocent, there's other *activities* also)

Everyone commits sins bro, it is just up to you where you draw the line.

Most people are concerned with zina and the other kinds of zina.

I reckon inter-ethnic is happening in the heavily multi-ethnic cities?

Perhaps Islamabad, Karachi and Lahore maybe

Yea as well as Faislabad and Rawalpindi.

Peshawar and Quetta not quite.

 

[Maula Jatt]

I reckon inter-ethnic is happening in the heavily multi-ethnic cities?

Perhaps Islamabad, Karachi and Lahore maybe

Lahore is not multi-ethnic at all dude, it's probably the most homogenous major city of Pakistan, except for some Pashtuns here and there and Urdu speaking communities you rarely see anyone from other ethnicities (I don't consider Kashmiri/niaizis different)
Islamabad and Karachi is

 

[TheSolution]

Well for someone to lie thats pretty heinous, if you 2 are actually in love I don't think a person would do that.

The trick to prevent that from happening is to right it in your nikkah contract that for your condition of nikkah the girl has to be a virgin.

If she lies then marriage is obviously anulled and you can just dip out on her and you won't get punishment from Allah (SWT) as she is the one who lied.

If she's really into you and feels like it would turn you off, then she probably would lie.

I've had conversations with some Muslim girls about this and they get very defensive when Muslim guys want a virgin wife

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Lahore is not multi-ethnic at all dude, it's probably the most homogenous major city of Pakistan, except for some Pashtuns here and there you rarely see anyone from other ethnicities (I don't consider Kashmiri/niaizis different)
Islamabad and Karachi is

Afghan migrants marry Pakistanis in Lahore and Karachi, other places they are selective.

 

[TheSolution]

Afghan migrants marry Pakistanis in Lahore and Karachi, other places they are selective.

Probably Pukthuns exclusively I'm guessing

Is Baloch-Pashtun inter-ethnic marriage common?

 

[Mirzali Khan]

If she's really into you and feels like it would turn you off, then she probably would lie.

Never underestimate the power of 3 am convos or parked car convos LMAOO. I’m jk but I totally get what you are saying

The trick is that you have to ask them to say “Wallahi” and put it in your nikkah contract.

Everything gets found out later so idk why one would lie.

I've had conversations with some Muslim girls about this and they get very defensive when Muslim guys want a virgin wife

The reason why they get defensive is because of the “double standard” and also because Islam has no actual requirement for virignity for marriage. The only time virignity is mentioned is widely talked about is the miracle of Isa (AS)’s birth.

I know what you are exactly talking about and the people who i talked to were all religious hijabis and then they got defensive about it. It’s a weird phenomenon, but those are the only things I can put my finger on.

But let’s be honest the antics of our fellow Pakistanis and Arab/Afghan men aren’t helping our cause LOL

 

[Maula Jatt]

Afghan migrants marry Pakistanis in Lahore and Karachi, other places they are selective.

I have yet to see anyone with afghan in my life, they are considered poor people who live on the edge/slum of the city so I don't think anyone (like middle-class people) would do that it'll be considered a very taboo thing to do

 

[Mirzali Khan]

I have yet to see anyone with afghan in my life, they are considered poor people who live on the edge/slum of the city so I don't think anyone (like middle-class people) would do that it'll be considered a very taboo thing to do

I have seen 2 abroad where mother was Afghani and the dad was Pakistani, the two families were from Lahore and Karachi.

 

[Maula Jatt]

I have seen 2 abroad where mother was Afghani and the dad was Pakistani, the two families were from Lahore and Karachi.

A -more of a coincidence or B-both were rich or middle class at least C- diaspora where anything goes
its certainly not considered normal practice in the city proper, kinda taboo

 

[TheSolution]

I have seen 2 abroad where mother was Afghani and the dad was Pakistani, the two families were from Lahore and Karachi.

Imagine them talking politics together, must be tough