Race For Nuclear Submarine Must See

[Super Falcon]

Unfortunatley or Fortunatley Pakistan Is Not in this race with enemies of pakistan USA,Israel and India two of them have large amount of Nuke Subs pakistan Must have to get it

 

[pak-yes]

well i don't think so Pakistan should get in a nuclear sub race.

1.The First and the most important reason is that modern AIP subs are far more quieter than nuclear subs.As demonstrated by the Swedish-US naval exercises where Swedish sub was not only able to destroy the AC but also several American nuclear subs without being detected.

2.Nuclear subs are expensive and we can not afford them with extremely limited PN budget.

3.We don't have world dominance designs.We don't have the plan to Strike America(well at least for now).Our coastline is limited.And on such small distances endurance will not be a problem.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well for Pakistan's own defence it needs 20 subs
15 frigates
2 destroyers
1 carrier

 

[Super Falcon]

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gy5bNl6ALo&NR=1

 

[Super Falcon]

agreed with gabbar singh

 

[pak-yes]

Well for Pakistan's own defence it needs 20 subs
15 frigates
2 destroyers
1 carrier

Sir your wish list is quite expensive first develop your economy so we can have the money.

 

[Super Falcon]

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ__9ylbEbw&NR=1

 

[Super Falcon]

pak yes i agree with you that we need to build our economy first but it doesent mean that we should not be aware of our needs and what our enemy is doing to counter us im not saying we buy them in blink of eye but step by step we can get them

 

[Always Neutral]

well i don't think so Pakistan should get in a nuclear sub race.

1.The First and the most important reason is that modern AIP subs are far more quieter than nuclear subs.As demonstrated by the Swedish-US naval exercises where Swedish sub was not only able to destroy the AC but also several American nuclear subs without being detected.

2.Nuclear subs are expensive and we can not afford them with extremely limited PN budget.

3.We don't have world dominance designs.We don't have the plan to Strike America(well at least for now).Our coastline is limited.And on such small distances endurance will not be a problem.

ANOTHER INTERNET FANBOY WHO HAS NEVER BEEN IN A SUBMARINE ?

Ok young man here is some education.

Where will be the USN attack Fleet position itself if they launch a strike on Pakistan ?

Next question how many days will it take for your Augusta AIP to reach there and maintain a 30 day patrol in the probable area without surface support ?

Next question what is time taken from Gwadar or say Karachi before the submarine finds dive depth and then bottoms out to ops depth at 6 knots on surface where it will be a sitting duck ? Have you seen an Admiralty Chart in your life ?

Ok come back and I have 16 more questions

Regards

 

[Super Falcon]

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgTdaFtrZVA&feature=related

 

[Super Falcon]

we need nuke subs for sure to make pakistan more safer than ever before their is hole in pakistan defence which every enemy wants to attck first which is our submarine nuke class hole we need to fill it up as quickly as possible

 

[illuminatus]

ANOTHER INTERNET FANBOY WHO HAS NEVER BEEN IN A SUBMARINE ?

Ok young man here is some education.

Where will be the USN attack Fleet position itself if they launch a strike on Pakistan ?

Next question how many days will it take for your Augusta AIP to reach there and maintain a 30 day patrol in the probable area without surface support ?

Next question what is time taken from Gwadar or say Karachi before the submarine finds dive depth and then bottoms out to ops depth at 6 knots on surface where it will be a sitting duck ? Have you seen an Admiralty Chart in your life ?

Ok come back and I have 16 more questions

Regards

All hypothetical questions which really need no answering in my opinion. Why would USN attack Pakistan in the first place? Besides, PN doesn't tailor its requirements around USN. Then, there is the budget constraint which can't be ignored by anyone. Taking all of these realities into consideration we can clearly conclude that PN is aiming for quality rather than quantity. Quality which is affordable yet effective as a force multiplier. A nuke sub just doesn't fit the bill and really is an overkill for PN.

 

[Always Neutral]

All hypothetical questions which really need no answering in my opinion. Why would USN attack Pakistan in the first place? Besides, PN doesn't tailor its requirements around USN. Then, there is the budget constraint which can't be ignored by anyone. Taking all of these realities into consideration we can clearly conclude that PN is aiming for quality rather than quantity. Quality which is affordable yet force multiplier.

Excuse me young man if you knew anything about submarines you would know my questions are basic submarine deployment ops requirements.

Ok lets go even more basic since you are obviously an argumentative green horn and so I wont use tactical terms

At what speed do your subs negotiate leaving harbor at surface speed ?

(tactical meaning they can be sighted by satellites ?)

At what depth can they submerge ?

(tactical meaning how much water they must have under their keel before the skipper says dive ?)

What is the average depth gradient of the Makran coast ?

Where was your first midget built ?

( need a photo ?)

Where did your first midget sink ? and why ?

Regards

 

[illuminatus]

^^ LOL frustrated being. Ouch, did I perhaps hit a nerve somewhere? Why are you reacting so nasty to everyone? Had a bad day or perhaps didn't sleep too well? Let's just give it a rest, shall we? I'm not going to answer any of your silly quiz questions which are off topic anyway. Besides, what are you trying to prove with this cocky and arrogant attitude of yours? Calling others names and behaving like a professor Mr. know-it-all. I'd rather spent my time more wisely. Instead of lecturing just take a deep breath and don't react so hostile.

 

[Always Neutral]

^^ LOL frustrated being. Ouch, did I perhaps hit a nerve somewhere? Why are you reacting so nasty to everyone? Had a bad day or perhaps didn't sleep too well? Let's just give it a rest, shall we? I'm not going to answer any of your silly questions which are off topic anyway. Besides, what are you trying to prove with this cocky and arrogant attitude of yours? Calling others names and behaving like a professor Mr. know-it-all. I'd rather spent my time more wisely.

Did you come here to learn, educate us or just pontificate ?

If your boys from Quasim learnt something from me and are admired by you then its time you put your money where your mouth is by answering my questions about submarine tactics ?

Otherwise go back to Tom Clancy and the social forums here, I am sure u will excel.

This is a Defence Forum the last time I checked and we are discussing to refresh your memory how does PN checkmates N Subs of its coast.

Ok lets help you and bring some illumination in your life.

The US, UK, French, Russian nuke subs donot even need to enter the Indian Ocean to nuke Pakistan.

Now lets come to the marrow in the bone.

IN has a 700 mile still to be tested on a submarine missile and a 300 mile Klub / Brahmos missile. So where will they patrol in the Indian Ocean which allows them to recieve VLF communications to launch their missiles ?

Unless u want to learn I can't educate you ? Old saying you can take a horse to the water but you can't make it drink ?

Regards