Questions to ask your pro-Israeli friends

[Dubious]

The Arab leaders did not, and their people are paying the price for their folly.

Accept the boundaries or the very fact that they were not included in it?

both sides come to their senses and move forward, logically.

Unfortunately when Hamas suggested rights for Palestinians people, fishing positions and allowed access to basic needs such as clean water and their trade not to be jeopardized by Israel...I wonder who was the one who didnt respond with a handshake when all was asked was rights for the people

And when Egypt literally bowed to Israel and suggested no written rights to the Palestinians and Hamas rejected it...Guess who made a big drama out of it

I dont consider Hamas as the smartest of all people but 1 thing for sure they did ask for Palestinians rights which Egypt being the middle person (same one who shut their borders and allowed Palestinians to roast in hell made on earth by Israel) never included those rights....Just more rules and regulations of Israel's demands...

Now you tell me would you negotiate with a middle man (rather than the person himself) who doesnt even include the basics and everything for your opponent?

 

[VCheng]

Accept the boundaries or the very fact that they were not included in it?



Unfortunately when Hamas suggested rights for Palestinians people, fishing positions and allowed access to basic needs such as clean water and their trade not to be jeopardized by Israel...I wonder who was the one who didnt respond with a handshake when all was asked was rights for the people

And when Egypt literally bowed to Israel and suggested no written rights to the Palestinians and Hamas rejected it...Guess who made a big drama out of it

I dont consider Hamas as the smartest of all people but 1 thing for sure they did ask for Palestinians rights which Egypt being the middle person (same one who shut their borders and allowed Palestinians to roast in hell made on earth by Israel) never included those rights....Just more rules and regulations of Israel's demands...

Now you tell me would you negotiate with a middle man (rather than the person himself) who doesnt even include the basics and everything for your opponent?

Demanding rights and privileges is okay. However, the real challenge lies in getting the demands met. I would suggest that leaders do whatever they think is best for their nation overall. Any compromises needed during negotiations need to be taken in the overall context of tilting the balance towards more good than bad consequences. If Hamas wants some of its demands met, it has to concede certain concessions in return. That is just the way the process works.

 

[Ahmad1996]

Then by your logic, whoever has the control over the land today, is the present owner.. The ownership of the land of Israel has changed hands many times over past two millenia. The Arabs were the the last owners and the Jews are the present owners. Christians owned that land before Arabs.

That isn't my logic but that yours. My logic is that a state be created according to 1948 UN proposal but thousands of Palestinians whose lands have been taken and killed should be compensated. That's win-win situation for everyone except haters like you

 

[zip]

some of (if not all) my Indian friends find it compelling to support and justify Israeli bombing of Gaza because we are supporting the Palestinians.

but the Europeans are not inflicted by such obsession and its surprising how many of them are openly showing their distaste and revulsion towards Israeli excesses although many of them keep quiet or support Israel just for being PC and not be labelled antisemitic

Point to be noted here is no one knows how much your influence transformed in support of palestine but as you claim a sizable portion of humanity was compelled to support israel ..you should blame yourself for your bad influence on palestine cause ..had you maintained good repo your voice would have positive influence ..

 

[IR1907]

Israel was a nation even 3500 years ago. There never was a nation called palestine in history.
Israel is the nationa promised by God to the Jews..

 

[ChennaiDude]

some of (if not all) my Indian friends find it compelling to support and justify Israeli bombing of Gaza because we are supporting the Palestinians.

but the Europeans are not inflicted by such obsession and its surprising how many of them are openly showing their distaste and revulsion towards Israeli excesses although many of them keep quiet or support Israel just for being PC and not be labelled antisemitic

You are absolutely wrong there Mr. Baloch.....As an American of Indian origin...I support and feel for the Palestinians...but I only see Hamas that is instigating the war..Israel is only protecting its citizens from Hamas .... not from Palestinians..!

Existence of Israel is very important for the world. They have good contribution in Research & technology and medicine field, also other inventions while Palestine is only investing in tunnels and rockets. Israel have right to defend their land while they should avoid civilian killing. Hamas was becoming stronger and dangerous for Peace in middle east. Palestine should disable or handover all rockets to Israel and live with peace.

Wells put!...I agree with your point of view....There is a chance for peace..but for that Hamas should not have any more stake in the discussions/conflict.

 

[500]

Here is an Iranian movie about Jesus:

I see lots of Jews there and not a single Palestinian. Why so?

 

[Dubious]

.but I only see Hamas that is instigating the war.

Well, what about Palestinians suffering prior to the creation of HAMAS which mind you Israel supported to curb Yassir Arafat....When Israeli support bites back and Palestinians support it coz it is the only thing fingting FOR them...then Israel kills civilians speaks of Israeli mentality

Demanding rights and privileges is okay. However, the real challenge lies in getting the demands met. I would suggest that leaders do whatever they think is best for their nation overall. Any compromises needed during negotiations need to be taken in the overall context of tilting the balance towards more good than bad consequences. If Hamas wants some of its demands met, it has to concede certain concessions in return. That is just the way the process works.

That much I can agree with ....But being human emotions come into play every now and then especially when everyone is screaming poor Israel ....and also when "warning from Israel" is damaging your neighbour's roof top type of scenarios are played and justified....If such things were done by Mexico and Americans expected not to retaliate would really be funny, dont you think?

Very rarely to never have BOTH sides stopped to breathe!

 

[VCheng]

That much I can agree with ....But being human emotions come into play every now and then especially when everyone is screaming poor Israel ....and also when "warning from Israel" is damaging your neighbour's roof top type of scenarios are played and justified....If such things were done by Mexico and Americans expected not to retaliate would really be funny, dont you think?

Emotions have no place in international geopolitics. They are useful only on a personal level.

 

[Dubious]

Emotions have no place in international geopolitics. They are useful only on a personal level.

Yet they are the only things that differentiate us from savages....

But as I asked if Mexico kept throwing in rockets and asked for peace talk (over the media) ...kept killing American citizens...I would love to see America sit down and watch ...they didnt sit down for 9/11...the speech on that day was more like HOW DARE ANYONE ATTACK US ON OUR SOIL (yet Palestinians on Palestinian soil are asked to not utter a word and just remain silent for the sake of negotiations?) so asking another nation to do the same is really stupid and illogical!

 

[shuntmaster]

The state of Israel came into formal existence only in 1948.

 

[VCheng]

Another useless and meaningless map. These have no bearing on the matter, none at all.

Yet they are the only things that differentiate us from savages....

But as I asked if Mexico kept throwing in rockets and asked for peace talk (over the media) ...kept killing American citizens...I would love to see America sit down and watch ...they didnt sit down for 9/11...the speech on that day was more like HOW DARE ANYONE ATTACK US ON OUR SOIL (yet Palestinians on Palestinian soil are asked to not utter a word and just remain silent for the sake of negotiations?) so asking another nation to do the same is really stupid and illogical!

Savagery is another concept that does not apply to international geopolitics, and neither does mercy. The only thing that matters is national interest. Like it or not, that is the way it always has been, is, and will be. If the Palestinians want to improve their conditions, they have to learn how to achieve better successes in international geopolitics. It is quite clear that what they have done up till now has failed totally. Whether they want to persist with that or whether they want to try a more intelligent approach is up to them and their chosen leaders.

 

[Dubious]

It is quite clear that what they have done up till now has failed totally. Whether they want to persist with that or whether they want to try a more intelligent approach is up to them and their chosen leaders.

Exactly what have they done?

If a nation's trade is controlled, basic necessities controlled and monitored as to who is consuming what.....literally living off UN aid...how much can a that nation do to influence much?

 

[VCheng]

Exactly what have they done?

If a nation's trade is controlled, basic necessities controlled and monitored as to who is consuming what.....literally living off UN aid...how much can a that nation do to influence much?

Their leaders chose to go to war against the British Empire and then the new State of Israel, betting that their Arab neighbors would give them the military advantage. They lost, badly, and multiple times. What you describe now as their plight is the direct consequence of those bad decisions. When they develop the maturity to see this, then it can hoped that they will find the proper insights to lead them out of this quagmire of their own creation too.

 

[Dubious]

Their leaders chose to go to war against the British Empire and then the new State of Israel, betting that their Arab neighbors would give them the military advantage. They lost, badly, and multiple times. What you describe now as their plight is the direct consequence of those bad decisions. When they develop the maturity to see this, then it can hoped that they will find the proper insights to lead them out of this quagmire of their own creation too.

Again not until you throw yourselves in their shoes you wont know what you are talking about...

Back to South America bombing America DAILY...for say 6 decades....with family friends everyone you know dead...You gonna sit in 1 corner and cry or do something about it? Yes your emotions will cloud your judgement....

Canada says hang in there mate we are with ya....and then gets some popcorn and watches you fight for what you believe in...Fight for your nation....fight even being labelled a terrorist ...fight even when accused of causing all the pain to your naiton...Fight for a hopeful tomorrow...Fight coz you believe truth shall win...

Orrr...you could just sit in the corner and cry while communism takes over America...and you dont even get anything called rights ...2nd class to 3rd class citizen rights are also a privilege! Or you go shake hands with Communism in the hope of being spared but guess what Communism doesnt know what sparing means and you are with the rest on rations ...even the water you drink is monitored and everyday you see soldiers breakding down doors and taking away teenagers "for questioning" for the security of the communist to ensure no rebellion group is being formed...to instill fear so that Americans become too weak to fight back or even too scared to voice against Communism...

Take your pick