Question for supporters of TLP's actions

[Myth_buster_1]

Only reading one Islamic incident of Prophet(P.B.U.H) not make you alim better consult with ulema who have indepth knowledge of Islam before reaching conclusion.At earlier days of Islam drinking whine was not a sin so a person who has limited knowledge will give it as a proof that drinking is allowed in Islam as he not know about Islamic orders later.Ijtehad is also part of Islam and the blasphemy law was formed by collective conclusion of highly knowledgable ulema which we not possess

use ur own two braincells instead of inhaling ulema farts. its people like ur mentality who will get brain washed by anything in name of islam.

 

[Dubious]

Imam Malik R.A had more knowledge and understanding of Holy Quran and Hadees than us he said that blasphmer has no right to live

Lets put your limited knowledge to test....We are Hanafi and here is what Abu Hanifa said:

Here is the complete text from which the fatwa is ostensibly quoting:

"قال ابن المنذر: "أجمع عوام أهل العلم أن من سب النبي صلي الله عليه وسلم القتل، وممن قاله مالك والليث وأحمد وإسحاق، وهو مذهب الشافعي". قال: "وحكي عن النعمان: لا يقتل-يعني الذمي-ما هم عليه من الشرك أعظم". وقد حكي أبو بكر الفارسي۔۔
“There is a general consensus amongst scholars that he who insults the Prophet PBUH will be killed. This has been endorsed by Imam Malik, Imam Laith, Imam Ahmad, Imam Ishaq and Imam Shafi has the same position. However, Abu Hanifa differs and states that a non-Muslim will not be killed for blasphemy. Shirk is a greater sin (and we do not kill him for that). Abu Bakr Farsi quotes Imam Shafi on the general consensus of Muslim.

The ellipses reveals itself — scan of original Arabic text:

Translation: “Abu Hanifa differs and states that a non-Muslim will not be killed for blasphemy. Shirk is a greater sin (and we do not kill him for that).”

It is surprising that the Binori Town scholars chose to omit a reference that prohibits the killing of a non-Muslim blasphemer, especially when one considers that the omitted source is none other than the very founder of their own madhab (religious tradition), Imam Abu Hanifa.

In formulating a fatwa, a Hanafi jurist is bound to refer to the ruling of his own school, and over here, what has occurred is the opposite, simply because the position endorsed by their own school in this case provides a more lenient and forgiving narrative towards non-Muslims.

Clearly, the internal biases and ‘otherising’ perspectives of the Ulema are interfering in their intellectual integrity in responding to issues of blasphemy.

 

[Yaseen1]

Lets put your limited knowledge to test....We are Hanafi and here is what Abu Hanifa said:

Here is the complete text from which the fatwa is ostensibly quoting:

"قال ابن المنذر: "أجمع عوام أهل العلم أن من سب النبي صلي الله عليه وسلم القتل، وممن قاله مالك والليث وأحمد وإسحاق، وهو مذهب الشافعي". قال: "وحكي عن النعمان: لا يقتل-يعني الذمي-ما هم عليه من الشرك أعظم". وقد حكي أبو بكر الفارسي۔۔
“There is a general consensus amongst scholars that he who insults the Prophet PBUH will be killed. This has been endorsed by Imam Malik, Imam Laith, Imam Ahmad, Imam Ishaq and Imam Shafi has the same position. However, Abu Hanifa differs and states that a non-Muslim will not be killed for blasphemy. Shirk is a greater sin (and we do not kill him for that). Abu Bakr Farsi quotes Imam Shafi on the general consensus of Muslim.

The ellipses reveals itself — scan of original Arabic text:

Translation: “Abu Hanifa differs and states that a non-Muslim will not be killed for blasphemy. Shirk is a greater sin (and we do not kill him for that).”

It is surprising that the Binori Town scholars chose to omit a reference that prohibits the killing of a non-Muslim blasphemer, especially when one considers that the omitted source is none other than the very founder of their own madhab (religious tradition), Imam Abu Hanifa.

In formulating a fatwa, a Hanafi jurist is bound to refer to the ruling of his own school, and over here, what has occurred is the opposite, simply because the position endorsed by their own school in this case provides a more lenient and forgiving narrative towards non-Muslims.

Clearly, the internal biases and ‘otherising’ perspectives of the Ulema are interfering in their intellectual integrity in responding to issues of blasphemy.

We have not enough knowledge to challenge ulema they have indepth knowledge of religion only reading few lines not make us scholar first we need to read all books in depth which takes 30 to 40 yrs only then we can speak and question on such matters.These ulema spend whole life in gaining Islamic knowledge

 

[Dubious]

This is from the Quran and is for BELIEVERS :

Sahih International: Indeed, those who have believed then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, and then increased in disbelief - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a way. [Quran 4:137]

When for believers if they disbelieve they are not asked to be killed by the Quran unless you have your own religion which is not Islam! Because if a believer disbelieves and loses his head he wont be able to believe and then disbelieve...Are you saying this ayat is wrong because if he loses his head in the 1st disbelieve then he cant believe again!

In order to repeatedly believe and disbelieve, the believer needs to be alive! If he is killed in the 1st instance this ayat is wrong! Are you saying Quran is wrong?

As for this case she is not a believer and so her punishment should be less than this! If a believer's head is not removed for disbelieving, how can you ask for death for a disbeliever?

We have not enough knowledge to challenge ulema they have indepth knowledge of religion only reading few lines not make us scholar first we need to read all books in depth which takes 30 to 40 yrs only then we can speak and question on such matters.These ulema spend whole life in gaining Islamic knowledge

If they have even an ounce of knowledge they will know they are behaving purely out of ego! Nothing to do with Islam because in the Quran even a believer is allowed to disbelieve and believe again...But so called "ulema" would chop his head in the 1st disbelieve hence going against QURAN!

Now tell me why your "ulema" are going against QURAN? What religion do they follow if they are against the Quran?

No, these Ulema spent whole life just arguing! If they spent whole life in knowledge, they wouldnt be so full of ego and would contribute to cases like rape cases, child abuse, women abuse! But so far your ulema even have problem with women wearing jeans and say it causes earthquakes! Tell me where did their 30-40 yrs teaching go?

I challenge your backward ulema to tell me about this QURANIC VERSE - not hadith which are not protected but from Quran which ALLAH protects!

Sahih International: Indeed, those who have believed then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, and then increased in disbelief - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a way. [Quran 4:137]

How is a believer going to disbelieve and believe again, if your ulema claim to chop his head? If your Ulema chops the person's head on 1st disbelieve, he can not believe again as per the Quran! Your Ulema took his right to repent! Your ulema is a murderer!

And if a believer can disbelieve and believe again and again (as in the QURANIC VERSE), why cant a non Muslim disbelief?

We have not enough knowledge to challenge ulema they have indepth knowledge of religion only reading few lines not make us scholar first we need to read all books in depth which takes 30 to 40 yrs only then we can speak and question on such matters.These ulema spend whole life in gaining Islamic knowledge

You see the difference between you and me is I read the Quran with translation and I always read it with translation you on the other hand read the Arabic and waited for the ulema to feed you whatever they want to! You didnt do your own research! You dont use the internet to do research and waste time fighting for falsehood!

With a click of a finger you can get ayat from the Quran showing your ulema is fraud!

Sahih International: Indeed, those who have believed then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, and then increased in disbelief - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a way. [Quran 4:137]

 

[Maarkhoor]

Blasphemy Laws need to repealed. These laws are a black mark on Pakistan ever since that moron Zia installed them.

Before this law there were huge riots over religious issues, this law not only applies to non Muslims but also Muslims also could be tried for the same. Law is absolutely perfect near 99% Muslims countries have similar laws, problem in Pakistan is usage of this law.

 

[Yaseen1]

This is from the Quran and is for BELIEVERS :




When for believers if they disbelieve they are not asked to be killed by the Quran unless you have your own religion which is not Islam! Because if a believer disbelieves and loses his head he wont be able to believe and then disbelieve...Are you saying this ayat is wrong because if he loses his head in the 1st disbelieve then he cant believe again!

In order to repeatedly believe and disbelieve, the believer needs to be alive! If he is killed in the 1st instance this ayat is wrong! Are you saying Quran is wrong?

As for this case she is not a believer and so her punishment should be less than this! If a believer's head is not removed for disbelieving, how can you ask for death for a disbeliever?


If they have even an ounce of knowledge they will know they are behaving purely out of ego! Nothing to do with Islam because in the Quran even a believer is allowed to disbelieve and believe again...But so called "ulema" would chop his head in the 1st disbelieve hence going against QURAN!

Now tell me why your "ulema" are going against QURAN? What religion do they follow if they are against the Quran?

No, these Ulema spent whole life just arguing! If they spent whole life in knowledge, they wouldnt be so full of ego and would contribute to cases like rape cases, child abuse, women abuse! But so far your ulema even have problem with women wearing jeans and say it causes earthquakes! Tell me where did their 30-40 yrs teaching go?

I challenge your backward ulema to tell me about this QURANIC VERSE - not hadith which are not protected but from Quran which ALLAH protects!



How is a believer going to disbelieve and believe again, if your ulema claim to chop his head? If your Ulema chops the person's head on 1st disbelieve, he can not believe again as per the Quran! Your Ulema took his right to repent! Your ulema is a murderer!

And if a believer can disbelieve and believe again and again (as in the QURANIC VERSE), why cant a non Muslim disbelief?


You see the difference between you and me is I read the Quran with translation and I always read it with translation you on the other hand read the Arabic and waited for the ulema to feed you whatever they want to! You didnt do your own research! You dont use the internet to do research and waste time fighting for falsehood!

With a click of a finger you can get ayat from the Quran showing your ulema is fraud!

Sahih International: Indeed, those who have believed then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, and then increased in disbelief - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a way. [Quran 4:137]

Dear i also know translation of Holy Quran as i have habit of listening Radio Pakistan Quran channel.Dear first of all i love you like my brother and have no ego issue I have not indepth knowledge of above verse but from apparent translation it may mean that a person may become non believer but not express it to people so no one is aware of his lose of faith and he avoid punishment it is my ordinary understanding for detail I will try to consult some ulema.Thankyou never mind brother I am a very small man

 

[Dubious]

Dear i also know translation of Holy Quran as i have habit of listening Radio Pakistan Quran channel.Dear first of all i love you like my brother and have no ego issue I have not indepth knowledge of above verse but from apparent translation it may mean that a person may become non believer but not express it to people so no one is aware of his lose of faith and he avoid punishment it is my ordinary understanding for detail I will try to consult some ulema.Thankyou never mind brother I am a very small man

Please learn some English I see you didnt understand what I wrote!

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Before this law there were huge riots over religious issues, this law not only applies to non Muslims but also Muslims also could be tried for the same. Law is absolutely perfect near 99% Muslims countries have similar laws, problem in Pakistan is usage of this law.

so without this law we all go to hell?

 

[Globalwarrior]

The SC is the highest court in the land
We have to learn to respect its verdict

 

[M. Sarmad]

law is absolutely perfect near 99% Muslims countries have similar laws, problem in Pakistan is usage of this law.

Please name those 99% countries which mandate death penalty for blasphemy

Even the Saudis accept repentance, as in Sabri Bogday's case

Only the Iranians have stricter blasphemy laws where you can get hanged for insulting any of the 12 Imams even. But they do it on the pretext of "Fasad" and unlike Pakistan they do not hang/kill all blasphemers.

Islamic Republic of Mauritania has recently enacted similar law but they haven't executed anyone since 1987

Pakistan is the country with the highest number of blasphemy convicts/accused serving jail time (or on death row) ... Sab se zeyada "Gustakh" hamaray Haan hi kiyon paay jatay Hain Bhai ??

 

[Hassan90]

Aoa





You are making it about the punishment of a blasphemer. The SC acquitted her of the charge - it did not say she has been forgiven or that blasphemy is okay.

So tell me what was Imam Malik rehmatullahale's opinion on executing someone without sufficient evidence?


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Read this article for different opinions of four madhabs of Sunni jurisprudence (including Imam Malik) on repentance of blasphemy and apostasy: https://www.alfikra.org/article_page_view_e.php?article_id=35&page_id=6

Come on man stop this lies. This is ONLY case where the accused acknowledged that she indeed was guilty of the crime and was let go by munafiq elite of Pakistan.

use ur own two braincells instead of inhaling ulema farts. its people like ur mentality who will get brain washed by anything in name of islam.

Typicall islam hater . If you get sick next time please use your braincells to cure and dont ever go the the doctor.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Most TLP supporters are mentally retarded, I doubt they can even think independently. That's what happens when you keep shagging your first cousins.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Typicall islam hater . If you get sick next time please use your braincells to cure and dont ever go the the doctor.

since when disagreeing with jahil mullah is against islam.
typical low iq mullah fanboy.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Please name those 99% countries which mandate death penalty for blasphemy

Even the Saudis accept repentance, as in Sabri Bogday's case

Only the Iranians have stricter blasphemy laws where you can get hanged for insulting any of the 12 Imams even. But they do it on the pretext of "Fasad" and unlike Pakistan they do not hang/kill all blasphemers.

Islamic Republic of Mauritania has recently enacted similar law but they haven't executed anyone since 1987

Pakistan is the country with the highest number of blasphemy convicts/accused serving jail time (or on death row) ... Sab se zeyada "Gustakh" hamaray Haan hi kiyon paay jatay Hain Bhai ??

Name one person who executed under this law in Pakistan.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Name one person who executed under this law in Pakistan.

Regards,

Colonel Ahmed Rattay.

As pointed out by the SC of Pakistan, 62 people have been killed for blasphemy since 1990 even before their trial could be conducted in accordance with the law!! .... Some were killed in police custody (even policemen themselves have killed alleged blasphemers in their custody). Of those who are heard properly, No one has been executed under this law so far as no one has been proven guilty beyond doubt in the highest courts... Even Judges and lawyers have been killed for acquitting/defending alleged blasphemers........ But that's besides the point ... You have yet to name those 99% of Muslim countries that mandate death penalty for blasphemy !