Question for Indian Seculars: ... how are you going to tackle this Hindu Extremist madness?

[veg]

In Pakistan, we (the Seculars) have already lost the battle and there is no chance that Pakistani system is ever going to change from Religious to Secular one. But:

1) Secular Forces in India are much more stronger than Pakistan.

2) Educational System in India is also powerful, and I am sure the numbers of people leaving Religion (i.e. becoming Atheists) should also be very high. And at the end, these Atheists will also join the secular forces instead of right wing religious parties.

3) India has a very big minorities population. 18% schedule caste, 14% Muslims and then Christians and Shikhs and others.
All these minorities are on the LEFT side standing with you instead of the Right Religious Parties.

How come that still the Secular Forces lost (and lost so badly) in India at the hands of Religious Parties?

What are the main factors of defeat?

What could be done in order to tackle this problem?

It's really saddens me to see the situation in India. If Hindu extremism increases in India, then it only brings more Muslim extremism in Pakistan. I wished India would have been a role model in this region for Secularism.

 

[Dash]

Without even reading what you wrote.

The same way seculars dealt with Kashmiri stubbornism, the same way they dealt with Bangladeshi activism the same way they dealt with south criticism!!

Same way!!

And btw your name would have been "pagan" coz your neither a veg or non veg.

 

[jetray]

Secular principles of hinduism existed for ages which accommodated religions like parsi , buddhism...etc. As such it cannot be wiped out in a day or two nor is it a India specific problem. It is a world wide problem. The rise of far right is in reaction to belligerent forces which we need to acknowledge.

 

[Nodata]

In India the left wing (Congress, Trinamool) is more religious than the right.

Liberal Muslims will support BJP as it is more centric than Pro ISIS Congress.

 

[turbofan7a]

Depends on how do you define extremism!

 

[DineshS]

 

[Kuru]

How come that still the Secular Forces lost (and lost so badly) in India at the hands of Religious Parties?

What are the main factors of defeat?

What could be done in order to tackle this problem?

It's really saddens me to see the situation in India. If Hindu extremism increases in India, then it only brings more Muslim extremism in Pakistan. I wished India would have been a role model in this region for Secularism.

There's a difference between being secular and indulging in minority appeasement.

The pseudo secular parties had become so religious that majority of actual seculars had to defeat them. That's how they lost and will lose it again of they don't behave.

 

[Zibago]

A right wing India is in the best interest of Pakistan

. I wished India would have been a role model in this region for Secularism.

Lol where 1000,s get blinded for just being Muslims that country cant be a role model

If Hindu extremism increases in India, then it only brings more Muslim extremism in Pakistan.

Nope it will only increase anti India sentiment which is always a good thing

What could be done in order to tackle this problem?

We should stop giving a **** about their minorities

 

[The_Showstopper]

In Pakistan, we (the Seculars) have already lost the battle and there is no chance that Pakistani system is ever going to change from Religious to Secular one. But:

1) Secular Forces in India are much more stronger than Pakistan.

2) Educational System in India is also powerful, and I am sure the numbers of people leaving Religion (i.e. becoming Atheists) should also be very high. And at the end, these Atheists will also join the secular forces instead of right wing religious parties.

3) India has a very big minorities population. 18% schedule caste, 14% Muslims and then Christians and Shikhs and others.
All these minorities are on the LEFT side standing with you instead of the Right Religious Parties.

How come that still the Secular Forces lost (and lost so badly) in India at the hands of Religious Parties?

What are the main factors of defeat?

What could be done in order to tackle this problem?

It's really saddens me to see the situation in India. If Hindu extremism increases in India, then it only brings more Muslim extremism in Pakistan. I wished India would have been a role model in this region for Secularism.

You have already gone through muslims extremism, we are going at full throttle towards Hindu extremism... RSS with its Shakhas have pioneered in producing ill-educated zombies.

Sadly there are many among minorities who play into the hands of Hindutva extremism giving enough fodder to them.

 

[halupridol]

In Pakistan, we (the Seculars) have already lost the battle and there is no chance that Pakistani system is ever going to change from Religious to Secular one. But:

1) Secular Forces in India are much more stronger than Pakistan.

2) Educational System in India is also powerful, and I am sure the numbers of people leaving Religion (i.e. becoming Atheists) should also be very high. And at the end, these Atheists will also join the secular forces instead of right wing religious parties.

3) India has a very big minorities population. 18% schedule caste, 14% Muslims and then Christians and Shikhs and others.
All these minorities are on the LEFT side standing with you instead of the Right Religious Parties.

How come that still the Secular Forces lost (and lost so badly) in India at the hands of Religious Parties?

What are the main factors of defeat?

What could be done in order to tackle this problem?

It's really saddens me to see the situation in India. If Hindu extremism increases in India, then it only brings more Muslim extremism in Pakistan. I wished India would have been a role model in this region for Secularism.

No need to tax urself with the political circus of India,,which is primarily based on vote bank politics.Illiterate gullible masses know nothng better thn being swayed over bhagwan,allah,jati,biradri.No point sulking ovr it.
But thr is hope for the future,,athesim is growing in leaps n bounds,,in 50yrs situation may change.

 

[DineshS]

You have already gone through muslims extremism, we are going at full throttle towards Hindu extremism... RSS with its Shakhas have pioneered in producing ill-educated zombies.

Sadly there are many among minorities who play into the hands of Hindutva extremism giving enough fodder to them.

Yeah Yeah.
mate, we have seen what your kind did in Kashmir to us.
We are seeing what your kind is doing to us in Kerala & Bengal.

LOL, You are burning us in Bengal as of this moment and yet you are giving us sermons?!
A little shame and lot of introspection is the order of the day for your kind.

 

[veg]

You have already gone through muslims extremism, we are going at full throttle towards Hindu extremism... RSS with its Shakhas have pioneered in producing ill-educated zombies.

Sadly there are many among minorities who play into the hands of Hindutva extremism giving enough fodder to them.

Yes, I have also noted this Problem in Pakistan.
I was always telling my Shia friends that Shias should never from any Political Party in Pakistan, but have to stay with mainstream parties.
But Shias of Pakistan made their political Party and it brought hatred against them.

I see the same in India where AWAISI Brothers have brought hatred gave the fooder to Hindu religious parties. Vote bank has also been divided by these small minority parties.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Yes, I have also noted this Problem in Pakistan.
I was always telling my Shia friends that Shias should never from any Political Party in Pakistan, but have to stay with mainstream parties.
But Shias of Pakistan made their political Party and it brought hatred against them.

I see the same in India where AWAISI Brothers have brought hatred gave the fooder to Hindu religious parties.

I am not aware of Pakistani politics and its constitution but I believe there is nothing wrong in political representation as it is necessary to put forward your voice and be heard. The problem arises when these parties start exclusively speaking for their particular group. You can be mainstream while still working for your own community.

 

[veg]

No need to tax urself with the political circus of India,,which is primarily based on vote bank politics.Illiterate gullible masses know nothng better thn being swayed over bhagwan,allah,jati,biradri.No point sulking ovr it.
But thr is hope for the future,,athesim is growing in leaps n bounds,,in 50yrs situation may change.

My primary concern is this that not only Illiterate, but well educated people in Pakistan have also gone towards religious extremism. Same seems to be true with India.

For example, in Media there are well educated Indians, but I saw them fully supporting the right wing politics.

Any how, I also see atheism as light of hope. Even in case of Pakistan too.

 

[Surya 1]

In India, secularism has become synonym of supporting anything anti Hindu. For example if one muslim is killed by Hindus, shout too much for many days but if Hindus are mass murdered, keep silent totally. Indian Muslims have a very dangerous mindset. Where ever they are not majority, they will make the life of others measurable. We have to do a lots of course correction which we have started now.

I am not aware of Pakistani politics and its constitution but I believe there is nothing wrong in political representation as it is necessary to put forward your voice and be heard. The problem arises when these parties start exclusively speaking for their particular group. You can be mainstream while still working for your own community.

See who is speaking this?