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Qatar-Turkey Rafale Deal

So it's still not in service and it's untested. So again,you're imagining things. Just like with the Hisar.

SIPER hit the target from 93 km away with the final test shot

HISAR-A and HISAR-O already in service
and soon 100 km SIPER block-1 also enter service ... then 150 km SIPER block-II
 
Ukraine doesnt have Rafale
and S400 shot down Su-27 from 150+ km away .... very impressive
even S400 can hit Fighter Jets from 250 km away and has a maxium firing range of 380 km
Well that's the least you could expect from such a hyped system 😂

Russians had the chance to use the S-400s in numerous conflicts,yet they only started using it now,when they got squeezed in Ukraine. Exactly,Ukraine doesn't have Rafale ;)

Your master France's 120 km SAMP-T or USA's 160 km PAC-II can not do it ... not even close
First of all,you were the ones who wanted to buy SAMP-T like crazy. Yes,yes you'll say "For ballistic protections until we make Hisar upgrade". But you still wanted to buy SAMP-T and still drool about it.

As for Greece,stop talking about PAC II. Greece has PAC III and so do the Americans.

Also new Turkish EIRS AESA Radar to detect stealth Fighters
@Akritas I'm laughing here

SIPER hit the target from 93 km away with the final test shot

HISAR-A and HISAR-O already in service
and soon 100 km SIPER block-1 also enter service ... then 150 km SIPER block-II
So what's the problem with Hisar? :P
 
Well that's the least you could expect from such a hyped system 😂

Russians had the chance to use the S-400s in numerous conflicts,yet they only started using it now,when they got squeezed in Ukraine. Exactly,Ukraine doesn't have Rafale ;)

Dont worry

if needed we will test S400s against Greek Rafales , then we will see its a hyped system or not


Turkiye bought 250 km 48N6E3 Missile with speed of mach 5.9
Turkiye also bought 40N6E Missile to hit Greek AEWCs from 380 km away

and S400's BIG BIRD Radar to detect F-16 , Mirage2000 , Rafale Jets from 400 km away

380 Km 40N6E Missile can block all Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean against enemy Airforces for great A2/AD capability

36 fire units and 192 missiles were delivered to Turkiye
2nd batch ( 36 fire units and 192 missiles ) on agenda

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Dont worry

if needed we will test S400s against Greek Rafales , then we will see its a hyped system or not


Turkiye bought 250 km 48N6E3 Missile with speed of mach 5.9
Turkiye also bought 40N6E Missile to hit Greek AEWCs from 380 km away

and S400's BIG BIRD Radar to detect F-16 , Mirage2000 , Rafale Jets from 400 km away

380 Km 40N6E Missile can block all Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean against enemy Airforces for great A2/AD capability

36 fire units and 192 missiles were delivered to Turkiye
2nd batch ( 36 fire units and 192 missiles ) on agenda

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We have SPECTRA ;)

@Akritas could tell you more about it,since from what I just saw,he has written about it in another forum (where Oublious was as well). Again,if you activate the S-400s of course.
 
First of all,you were the ones who wanted to buy SAMP-T like crazy. Yes,yes you'll say "For ballistic protections until we make Hisar upgrade". But you still wanted to buy SAMP-T and still drool about it.

Turkiye signed agreement with EUROSAN in 2018
and in 2018 , there were no any Turkish AD System or Russian S400


This is 2022 and now we have HISAR-A , HISAR-O and SIPER , also S400s in Turkiye

SIPER is rising step by step and year by year

-- 100 km SIPER block-1 by 2022
-- 150 km SIPER block-2 by 2024
-- and SIPER with ballistic missile intercaption capability by 2027

So what's the problem with Hisar? :P


8 km SUNGUR MANPADS
15 km HISAR-A low altitude air defense system
25 km HIISAR-O medium altitude air defense system
100 km SIPER block-1 high altitude air defense system

layered air defense capability .... only USA , France and Turkiye in NATO
 
-- 100 km SIPER block-1 by 2022
-- 150 km SIPER block-2 by 2024
-- and SIPER with ballistic missile intercaption capability by 2027
You always talk about the range,as if missiles are only good depending on their range. I have to tell you,range is not everything in an AA missile...just remind you,because you keep going around telling everyone how much you know about military stuff.
 
You always talk about the range,as if missiles are only good depending on their range. I have to tell you,range is not everything in an AA missile...just remind you,because you keep going around telling everyone how much you know about military stuff.

Range is most important thing , then advanced counter-countermeasure capabilities

GaN based AESA Radar and network centric warfare


Greek Rafale will be facing with all Turkish military capabilities in the battlefield

S400 missiles
SIPER missiles
600 km Radars Boeing E7-T , EIRS and BIG BIRD
250-450 km SMART-S and CENK-S Naval Radars
KORAL and REDET-II Radar Electronic Warfare Systems
network centric warfare which can share target data with any platform from F-16 to SIPER from KIZILELMA to AKINCI, from modernized MEKO-200 to ISTIF class Frigate and S400s to fire missiles on Greek Rafales from all sides

by a command and control system supported by truly artificial intelligence algorithms

what a great power ...
 
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Range is most important thing , then advanced counter-countermeasure capabilities
Yes,it sure is the most important thing,if the seeker,explosives,speed,maneuverability is trash,the range will save you 🙄

S400 missiles
SIPER missiles
600 km Radars Boeing E7-T , EIRS and BIG BIRD
250-450 km SMART-S and CENK-S Naval Radars
KORAL and REDET-II Radar Electronic Warfare Systems
network centric warfare which can share target data with any platform from F-16 to SIPER from KIZILELMA to AKINCI, from modernized MEKO-200 to ISTIF class Frigate and S400s to fire missiles on Greek Rafales from all sides

what a great power

Imaginations from the other side.

No Siper yet,S-400s shut down,Koral got destroyed in Libya,thinks network centric warfare only exists in the Turkish Air Force and ISTIF class isn't even in active service yet.

What a great masturbatory fantasy.
 
Yes,it sure is the most important thing,if the seeker,explosives,speed,maneuverability is trash,the range will save you 🙄

who said that the seeker,explosives,speed,maneuverability is trash ?

Turkiye has state of the art missiles to turn Rafale into crap of metal

-- 250 km 48N6E3 Missile with speed of mach 5.9 ( S400 )
-- 120 km AIM-120C7 air to air missile

-- 100 km SIPER missile with speed of mach 4 and State-of-the-art active RF seeker

also 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missile

State-of-the-art active RF seeker
Unique warhead design for maximum probability of kill
Advanced counter-countermeasures (ECCM)
 
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Imaginations from the other side.

No Siper yet,S-400s shut down,Koral got destroyed in Libya,thinks network centric warfare only exists in the Turkish Air Force and ISTIF class isn't even in active service yet.

What a great masturbatory fantasy.

Still dreaming about 7 Rafales ... What a great masturbatory fantasy


All those systems together will play strategic role

S400 : in inventory
HISAR-O : in inventory
KORKUT 35 mm CIWS : in inventory
KORAL and REDET-II : in inventory
F-16 : in inventory
AKINCI UCAV : in inventory
600 km Radars Boeing E7-T and BIG BIRD : in inventory
Passive Radars

250 km 48N6E3 Missile with speed of mach 5.9 in inventory
120 km AIM-120C7 in inventory

MEKO-200 and GABYA Frigates in inventory

Turkish Ballistic and Cruise missiles in inventory
( to hit jet hangars in Greece and Greek Islands )


100 km SIPER block1 : enter service in december 2022
600 km EIRS AESA Radar enter service in december 2022
100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air Missile enter service in 2023
ISTIF class Frigate delivery to the Turkish Navy in 2023

KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet enter service in 2025

dont confuse approaching Turkish airspace with approaching an outdated HAWK air defense missile in the desert of Libya


keep dreaming with Rafale ....and 84 F-16V until 2027
 
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KIZILELMA
Is it for export? If for export what is the unit cost? Pakistan should consider buying them. How many air to air missiles can they carry? Can they carry anti ship missile?
 
Pakistan should support Turkey in a war against Greece. Including giving Turks weapons and spare parts if they need them.

Greece is nothing
We fight USA and France


Is it for export? If for export what is the unit cost? Pakistan should consider buying them. How many air to air missiles can they carry? Can they carry anti ship missile?

The unit cost is not clear yet


KIZILELMA to carry 2 GOKDOGAN air to air missiles in the Internal weapon stations for stealth flight capability

for anti-ship missiles : 150 km CAKIR or 275 km SOM
 
How is the EEZ agreement reached between two countries?

Accordance International Law, the following procedure is followed:

1- Initial talks between the two states based on the basis of reciprocity and good neighborliness.

2- If the talks fail, then they continue based on the Law of the Sea(UNCLOS).

3- If a country disagree or does not accept the Law of the Sea, then both they go to International Courts.

4- If a country does not even accept the jurisdiction of the International Courts, then it threatens, invades, bullying and act as the troublemaker of the region.

Guess which country is this?
I said, no UN resolution or permits a state to expand its sovereignty to imprison another state.

Also, the maximalist goals (the limits in question in the Convention are the maximum depths) advocated by the Greek concession in UNCLOS are essentially about the high seas.

In maritime law, a state sharing a common maritime area, including UNCLOS, cannot unilaterally usurp the maritime rights of the other state. This principle of mutual agreement is also clearly stated in UNCLOS.

Also, in maritime law, islands cannot close the continental shelves of the mainland. There is the prinsiple about it, mainland can not closurable by islets or islands.

Everything that the Turkish side defends is the articles that Greece signed and accepted in the Lausanne and Paris agreements.

Greece is trying to impose both an agreement that Turkiye is not a signatory, by withdrawing/eroded from the agreements it is a signatory to. But even in the agreement it imposes, it tries to bring a maximalist dream into a fait accompli, completely ignoring many principles.

Turkish-Greek maritime jurisdictions and territorial sea disputes are not unique in the world. UK, France, USA, Spain, Italy etc. There are similar disagreements in many parts of the world, and the result of most of the events in which mutual agreement was reached refutes the thesis defended by the Greeks.

However, refraining from discussing them and bombarding off-topic spamming under a completely unrelated forum thread leads us to the same conclusion once again.
 
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