Qatar sending Pakistani pilots for training on the French Rafale

[Secret Service]

completely fake news..

 

[hussain0216]

GCC's countries aren't found to do charity.
Why would GCC stupidly rely on Pakistan after it refuses to join them in Yemen?

the problem you guys have is you cant do the job yourselves and want Pakistan to be cannon fodder and get the job done for you

BUT how have you helped us against our enemy india?

How about you start screwing over the indians for us

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Unfortunately the folks jumping the gun need to understand two possibility

1- We do engage and deal with Troops from GCC on regular basis i.e Training and cooperation
2- We do provide training to Pilots on platforms

This is the only information we can say 100% is true

• Now, the news of Rafale planes , sure it may happen , in case Qatar & Pakistan had a prior engagement for Training troops by bilateral Government to Government agreement.

• Training contracts means instructors themselves are trained on platform first and then over 5-10 years they train the students on that platform (Makes sense)

If hypothetically Pakistani Trainers were engaged to learn Rafale platform for training it is merely a continuation of the training agreements Pakistan may have had with Qatar in past


Who can confirm or deny this ?

• Government of Pakistan and / or Pakistan Airforce

France is in the business of sales of Rafale planes they do not control what the country does with the plane after the purchase, really it is not ther responsibility who is trainer who gets trained


The only interesting aspect in this news is

a) How is this spreading in Egyptian Arabic language Viral networks when Qatar may not have declared a specific stance nor Pakistan


There are alot of things happening here

 

[H!TchHiker]

GCC's countries aren't found to do charity.
Why would GCC stupidly rely on Pakistan after it refuses to join them in Yemen?

Well he is saying the same thing
1) Why would GCC stupidly rely on Pakistan .. "Non of these GCC countries rely on Pakistan"..
2) GCC's countries aren't found to do charity.... "Exactly "There is no free lunch..

He is reciprocating what you say...I don't know how you extract the conclusion that GCC is for Charity.. No they have there own interest even before this yemen fiasco specially economics and trade. .No need to be harsh everybody has its own opinion..Why would GCC do a charity there is no reason to do it and no body is expecting that.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

See the term is not "rely"

The term is Cooperation , on mutual interest matter

• 2015 Pakistan - GCC countries participated in joint effort along side Turkey to train together

And that is all is it mutual cooperation universal point of interest

Pakistan have played its role to train troops in GCC over 10-20 years and we have constructed good communication standards between Government -Government level contracts.


So please always views the work as "Cooporation"

Pakistan does actively seeks new brand new ventures to work with Governments to train forces of various nations , using their past experience dealing with Countering Terrorism


Services provides to Friendly Countries

• Pilot training
  
• Soldier training
  
• Anti Terror knowledge share
  
• Navy officer training

We also offer sale of F22P , JF17 thunder and traininer aircraft PAC MFI-17 Mushshak

We are in business of training pilots for our Airforce and International partners world wide and we ourselves also have engaged many other Airforces to promote learning


So if Qatar - Pakistan have a old contract government to government, for training obviously our instructors would also get familirized with any new platform and continue to train the local body soldiers

We enjoy fantastic relations with GCC countries and I think the thread would not be enough to showcase how GCC countries and Pakistan have worked together in past on not only Military project but also on civilian side

Regional security is certainly an intresting matter to all stable governments and societies

We as nation are certainly thankful for business partnerships and also on Military cooperation


PS : Services such as training and education , these are fully paid for by our global partners

 

[alarabi]

Well he is saying the same thing
1) Why would GCC stupidly rely on Pakistan .. "Non of these GCC countries rely on Pakistan"..
2) GCC's countries aren't found to do charity.... "Exactly "There is no free lunch..

He is reciprocating what you say...I don't know how you extract the conclusion that GCC is for Charity.. No they have there own interest even before this yemen fiasco specially economics and trade. .No need to be harsh everybody has its own opinion..Why would GCC do a charity there is no reason to do it and no body is expecting that.

No that isn't what he said. He's trying to say that Pakistan stands by GCC all the time but GCC don't stand by Pakistan and are doing business with India. In deed, GCC stands by Pakistan all the time whenever it needs but Pakistan doesn't and publicly refused to join them in Yemen for two reasons 1- It's not pakistan war. 2- It will jeopardize its relation with Iran which isn't doing 48 Billion dollar business with Pakistan as GCC does.

So why would GCC rely on Pakistan when it can't give something in return?
Training some soldiers is not a big deal and doesn't give pakistan any leverage because we also have experts from France and cooperate with them in training field too. Do we have to pour billions to French economy for the jobs they are getting money for at the end of every month? Simply no.

You would argue and say Pakistan is a Muslim country, it's not France, I'd say that's right but the government of Pakistan is selling JF-17 to Myanmar which is killing and murdering Muslims day and night.

 

[Raider 21]

GCC's countries aren't found to do charity.
Why would GCC stupidly rely on Pakistan after it refuses to join them in Yemen?

No need to fight their wars....they never helped us when Pakistan's domestic issues with terrorism began. It is time that Pakistan should consider them as "allies" instead of "brothers of religion". In terms of air force, the maximum they should do is to instruct their pilots but never fly their combat missions. The Arab nations have never considered Pakistan as a "brother"...other than Jordan, no other significant Arab nation has given Pakistan the due attention.

 

[shah1398]

Rubbish. Non of these GCC countries rely on Pakistan. Please stop smoking on the ummah weed. GCC contract out their defence to America. As facts and history prove. GCC purchase only from America/Europe to buy influence in those countries. Pakistani's? They are just 'miskeen' to be hired as private bodyguards or do the dirty work.

Even there the plum jobs are given to Indian's by GCC. GCC/KSA are India's biggest beneficiaries. This is fact. Just google the amount of money that is pouring into India from GCC - so much that it has lifted India which enables it to then spend more on it's military.

How does a cool $72 billion going from GCC to India sound?This is every year - Pakistan got $48 billion one off Chinese investment under CPEC and entire country is in orgy.

Link > http://www.khaleejtimes.com/business/gold-forex/remittances-from-gcc-to-india-hit-72b

Sir though I dont have much faith in this Ummah love thing but here we are talking about remittances which are being sent by NRIs back Home. Now if we take a good look at the number of Indians in GCC alone then some figures point out that they make about 1/3rd of the GCC population. Not only that but they have established businesses in almost every sector of the GCC economy. It shud not be very surprising to see high amount of remittances sent back by these huge number of NRIs. Secondly India has sent it work force in almost every sector of GCC. May it be a sanitary worker or an executive, they have people everywhere, but what have we sent there except labors? Again its not only GCC who are investing in India but GCC are investing there bcz Indians have invested lots of money in almost all GCC countries.
http://www.arabianbusiness.com/50-richest-indians-in-gcc-488856.html#.WDtM6vl97IU

And what we had sent there? All money launderes, corrupt and looters have stashed their money esp in UAE.
Heck we cud not even play fair with Tuwairqi Steel Mills then how can we complain from them? if we cant play our cards right then why blame GCC for that?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

No that isn't what he said. He's trying to say that Pakistan stands by GCC all the time but GCC don't stand by Pakistan and are doing business with India. In deed, GCC stands by Pakistan all the time whenever it needs but Pakistan doesn't and publicly refused to join them in Yemen for two reasons 1- It's not pakistan war. 2- It will jeopardize its relation with Iran which isn't doing 48 Billion dollar business with Pakistan as GCC does.

So why would GCC rely on Pakistan when it can't give something in return?
Training some soldiers is not a big deal and doesn't give pakistan any leverage because we also have experts from France and cooperate with them in training field too. Do we have to pour billions to French economy for the jobs they are getting money for at the end of every month? Simply no.

You would argue and say Pakistan is a Muslim country, it's not France, I'd say that's right but the government of Pakistan is selling JF-17 to Myanmar which is killing and murdering Muslims day and night.

We have helped trained 3 generation of Soldiers and Pilots to ensure they can help keep their borders secure

The way it goes is we heleped train many wonderful cadets for Royal Armed forces across GCC so they can take care of the region they live in with their own nationals , that is generally how things worked. Also it creates local jobs for local youths as well that is they can help secure their borders

Plus we do collaborative enagements when delegates do discuss things of mutual interest.

We look forward to grow collaboration for next 100 years

As for Iran , we view iran as a independent country we wish for peaceful ties with all regional countries

 

[Inception-06]

Thank you Qatar

This news seem to be on massive viral network on Arab networks at least 100-200 sites reporting it

Thank you for what ?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well GGC are a strategic ally in Business for Pakistan
So yes thank you

Each country is independent I can't say to them who they deal with , all i can say is thank you for all the positive relation we had in term of business and matter of mutual intrest

We look forward to expand ties with all GCC countries business and safety matter in region

Just same way I wish more collaboration with Africa or Central Asia going forward

Alot of Pakistani Expats live across GCC and that is due to great relations between various governments and Pakistan.


As for Iran I personally don't have any issue with Iran , as UN sanctions have been lifted many days ago I encourage Iran to sit down with many GCC associates to resolve any differences as educated civilization. The Iran-GCC angel can only be resolved on discussion table. And Pakistan's official policy has always been to help mediate peace between the two cultures

We had this policy for 30-40 years

• Saudia / GCC + OPEC have recently worked with IRAN to help regulate OIl Prices just goes to show that GCC and Iran can coexit and cooperate on regional matters.

The matter of training GCC troops these are just basic military contracts we have done by ages 30-40 years it is nothing new , it is not necesarrily against any country it is just "School" for training friendly nations

• Pakistan itself attends 20-30 sessions with global countries every year as part of training and collaboration

 

[shah1398]

1- It's not pakistan war. 2- It will jeopardize its relation with Iran which isn't doing 48 Billion dollar business with Pakistan as GCC does.

Sorry but I ll disagree with U but can U plz imagine that when our own house in on fire then how come U expect us to fight for someone else? Did U really expect that we leave our own house burning and go to another war which has been fought by almost 6 plus nations and there is no end to it? We were at a critical phase of operation Zarb-e-Azb, and this very ops was our life line, going for Yemn wud surely have cut our lifeline short and we wud never have seen this current relatively peaceful time and ofcourse there wud have been no CPEC. And regarding jeopardizing relations with IRI, can U plz just point at that one occasion where we had something like good relations with IRI after 1979?

You would argue and say Pakistan is a Muslim country, it's not France, I'd say that's right but the government of Pakistan is selling JF-17 to Myanmar which is killing and murdering Muslims day and night.

I might ask U the same very question. India had been committing atrocities not only on Indian Muslims but Kashmiris and Pakistanis. Have U stopped your trade with them in protest to that? Ofcourse not. An just for info, Myanmar was the very first customer of JF-17s but they have not yet been delivered even a single aircraft mainly because of these reasons, Even Nigeria which opted for JF-17 much later are getting these birds much before Myanmar.

 

[DJ_Viper]

Rubbish. Non of these GCC countries rely on Pakistan. Please stop smoking on the ummah weed. GCC contract out their defence to America. As facts and history prove. GCC purchase only from America/Europe to buy influence in those countries. Pakistani's? They are just 'miskeen' to be hired as private bodyguards or do the dirty work.

Sir, I am a third party individual I guess. But even I know, the UAE/Qatari and Saudis, all have Pakistani pilots in a decent contingent where they routinely fly EFT's, Mirage 2k9, F-16 block-60 and Saudi AWACS. And the case for Rafale won't be any different as senior pilots will be upgraded from the Mirage-2k platform to Rafale.

From what the little I know, Pakistan and Israel were the only two countries who replicated the Fighter Weapon's School concept in their countries (to produce "the Top Guns"). Its a known secret that many Arab (including Qatari and Saudis) send their airmen and naval officers for training in Pakistan. Thanks

 

[imadul]

Iam all ready to go fight in Yemen on behalf of my Arab brothers ! Would you guys reciprocate the favor? So far iam yet to see any Saudi state spokesperson condemning Indian aggression at LOC

I would rather like them to curtail indian expat working there in droves. Dubai is a mini India.

 

[DJ_Viper]

I would rather like them to curtail indian expat working there in droves. Dubai is a mini India.

We are hoping for that here in the US also. Mr. Trump has already ensured that he will do a large investigation into H1B visa related complaints. Its time we hired Americans, our Residents here and people who are already here. Continue to keep bringing people when there is a huge talent pool here, makes no sense and at the end, American jobs are taken away. Thanks