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[The Sandman]

Yr you guys started fighting again? hain? just chillax people

and Sandman had a heated discussion and in the end we agree to not engage with each other on the topic we had arguments

iirc it was a political thread right?

 

[Musafir117]

I know I hurts some nerves and I'm not gonna sorry for that carry on guys

Yr you guys started fighting again? hain? just chillax people

iirc it was a political thread right?

Yep and I have with Tank Man as well it's happen and it's natural and that's how it's work Agree or not agreed with out thoughts and move for good. I just mentioned it coz that Verve or whatever dude was afraid to " team tag " thingy. What a scared mate

 

[Verve]

" team tag " thingy

Well, you guys enjoy operating in teams .. if @The Sandman got my message, he would know that i was pointing towards an individual mindset and not follow those who use for own agenda.

And this pinched you so much that you are giving it colour of 'fear' and resorting to personal attacks! Very good *clap* .. congratulations on a rediculous assumption and cheap mindset

Shut up.

Hmm.. read the post. Reply was to that fool. Not you.

Top bit was a reply to you only

 

[Hell hound]

And here we go again @Verve few posts ago you were advising us not to tag other party with labels as it makes them defensive yet you are doing the same with @Musafir117 @Azlan Haider .

 

[The Sandman]

People

 

[Lagay Raho]

Why you dont just ignore them? @Verve surely there are better things to do

 

[Hell hound]

being white? Are whites not entitled to civil conversations?

what I thought you were a Pakistani

Here we go ... Read and find out who started .. these two arrived and started their silly conspiracy theories and personal attacks. I'm responding!

Oh yaron jis nay bhi kia hay bhion dafa karo yar yeah personal attacks

 

[Hell hound]

He thought I was white hence had a harsh tone towards me till he found out I was Pakistani.

Oh
Why don't you change your first flag to Pakistan to avoid future confusion with other members.
According to forum rules First flag is for country of your origin second one is for your current location.

 

[Zarvan]

I was making a point...

Anyways, about those adahees:

Even Ka'ab bin Al-Ashraf was not just a blasphemer, he was more than that, Many blasphemers were pardoned by Prophet & even those who did some very severe things. Like:
Tried to poison Prophet,
Threw garbage on him
Threw camel's stomach on him, while he was praying
Called him names
Peed in a mosque
etc.. etc.

None of them were killed.
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Ghulam Murtaza Malik spoke few of above incidences here:
@ 9:40+ mother of a companion blasphemed. Listen how Prophet responded. Now it's upto you whose example you want to follow... Prophet prayed for her. Did not call for death sentence...

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Again @ 4:00+
Qureish even sweared at Prophet, kantay bichaay, galay mai phandaa daalaa, camel's stomach (oojhrey) oper phainkee, patharr maraay = blasphemy, blasphemy, blasphemy...!!! But how did he respond!!! When he over-powered them all at fatah-e-makkkah...!!! He practiced forgiveness... That`s Sunnah.

Like others pointed out, the only time when death sentence was given, the person was involved in "Fasaad", not just blasphemy.

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Ka'ab bin Al-Ashraf was involved in inciting Fasaad (provoked Quraish) just like Maulvi-Radio Fazlullah(Fazal Hayat) incited fasaad via his FM broadcast. And obscene language about muslim women and refused to refrain from doing that. I quote "...Ka’ab bin Malik who was one of those whose repentance was accepted said “Ka’ab bin Al Ashraf used to satire the Prophet and incited the the Quraish against him....". This shows some ppl did repent & were given a chance to desist & their repentance was accepted.

Even jewish encyclopedia mentions that he was involved in inciting of violence:
I quote:
"... exciting the Ḳuraish to revenge... gone to Mecca to induce the Ḳuraish to fight Mohammed once more..."

So it wasn't a case of blasphemy alone. It was Fasaad-fil-arz just like maulvi-Radio.
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I can tell you at least around 10 people who were killed in life of RASOOL SAW for Blasphemy. The one killed on Fatah e Makkah than two prisoners of Battle of Badar and than a blind Sahabi killed his slave women than there few other poets. The punishment of Blasphemy was also given under 4 Caliphs and continued after that

 

[VFY]

For about 20 pages Tu bhi kafir main bhi kafir (you and I both are infidel) was going on after that we had truce with few members here and came to an understating but war is still far from being over with other members I guess.
@The Sandman @Divergent1 @TankMan

I should have been clearer. Need the angrezi translation of the OP, not the whole thread

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Sur , please read post number 391 , there I reply back to @TankMan , I hope it will help but if any confusion you can ask me again.
And @TankMan sir just enjoy all the posts after 391 , last 3 pages. Now tell me are you sure its about 295-c? for them? as law?
@The Sandman , I also forgot to tag you there , Post 391 .
@The Eagle

@Zarvan @RangeMaster @CHACHA"G"


Read the circled part again:
Some ahadees only give partial account of the whole context, when we read all of them to understand context only then we realize what actually had happened. Likes of you cherry-pick those partial accounts of the whole story and build opinion on that. All those who Prophet gave death sentence to were involved in murder or in "Fasaad-fil-arz" = Inciting/promoting violence... Today likes of YOU are fasadees & deserve same punishment as did fasadees of Prophet's era. If prophet was present among us, he will punish likes of you with his own hands for distorting his message.

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Should I translate for your corrupt "haraam-maghaz"!!
It says he was involved in M.U.R.D.E.R.

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.Even Ka'ab bin Al-Ashraf was not only a blasphemer, he was involved in inciting Fasaad (provoked Quraish) just like Maulvi-Radio Fazlullah(Fazal Hayat) incited fasaad via his FM broadcast. And obscene language about muslim women and refused to refrain from doing that. I quote "...Ka’ab bin Malik who was one of those whose repentance was accepted said “Ka’ab bin Al Ashraf used to satire the Prophet and incited the the Quraish against him....". This shows some ppl did repent & were given a chance to desist & their repentance was accepted.
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As far as those women are concerned that your tunnel-visioned mullah-print-outs mention, those narrations have been rejected by scholars as zaeef.

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He is the one who pardoned the Jewish woman who had poisoned the mutton for him.
al-Bukhaari (2617) and Muslim (5834) narrated from Anas ibn Maalik (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Jewish woman brought the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) some poisoned mutton and he ate some of it. Then she was brought to him and it was said: Will you give us permission to execute her? He said: No.

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Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6126) and Muslim (2327).
‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) never took revenge for his own sake, unless one of the sacred limits of Allaah had been transgressed, then he would take revenge for the sake of Allaah.
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It is proven that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) forbade the killing of women.
Abu Dawood (2669) narrated that Rabaah ibn Rabee‘ said: We were with the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) on a campaign, and he saw the people gathered around something. He sent a man to find out what they were looking at, and he came back and told him that it was a woman who had been killed. He said: “Such a one could not have been a fighter.” Khaalid ibn al-Waleed was leading the vanguard of the army, so he sent a man to him and said: “Tell Khaalid: Do not kill any woman or hired worker.”

So according to your corrupted beliefs, did Prophet contradict himself by ordering killing of woman who was not involved in any killings??? Hain oye jahiloon ke tolay?
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Read again - about narrations of Asma's killing:

This is an invalid isnaad and a fabricated report that was narrated by Muhammad ibn al-Hajjaaj of whom al-Bukhaari said: His hadeeth is to be rejected. Ibn Ma‘een said: (He is) an evil liar. Ad-Daaraqutni said: (He is) a liar; and on one occasion he said: He is not trustworthy.


This hadeeth was also mentioned by Shaykh al-Albaani in ad-Da‘eefah (6013); he said it is fabricated (mawdoo‘).

Read again:

This is a worthless isnaad. Imam Ahmad said concerning al-Waaqidi – whose name was Muhammad ibn ‘Umar ibn Waaqid – : He is a liar; he alters hadeeths. Ibn Ma‘een said: He is not trustworthy. On one occasion he said: His hadeeth is not to be written down. Al-Bukhaari and Abu Haatim said: He is matrook (rejected). Abu Haatim and an-Nasaa’i said: He fabricates hadeeth. Ibn ‘Adiyy said: His hadeeths are odd and problematic. Ibn al-Madeeni said: al-Waaqidi fabricates hadeeth.


Read once more:

An-Nasaa’i said: The liars who are known for fabricating hadeeth are four: Ibraaheem ibn Abi Yahya in Madinah, al-Waaqidi in Baghdad, Muqaatil in Khorasan and Muhammad ibn Sa‘eed in Syria.

 

[Hell hound]

I should have been clearer. Need the angrezi translation of the OP, not the whole thread

Op is calling the people of Pakistan animals of worse kind for celebrating the murder of 23 year old in the name of holy prophet.
He is blaming their failures hopelessness and sins for all the frustration and suppressed hate that is within them and is calling it the reason for this mob justice not love for prophet. if saying Allahuakbar while slaughtering a pig doesn't make it halal than how a murder committed in the name of God is?when god explicitly said killing a human is like killing whole humanity.what is the difference between you and a suicide bomber.it's people like you who give bad name to Pakistan and just because of you we are being stereotyped into a nation of brainless zombie who can be influenced in whichever way extremists desires.
Prophet Muhammad is going to stay the king of this whole universe no matter what its a god given status mere human words or actions can't change it.for those who claims to be his lover tell me are you flowing his teachings or is only restricted to blasphemy

And I the last two paragraphs he is warning us that there is still time to mend our ways no extremist is either our friend nor a follower of God.And he observing how our judges and ullima are going to react after this incident

 

[RangeMaster]

You are still ignoring verses of Quran and others haditsh which don't fit well to your agenda of hate and violence . Negative mind look for negative stuff to justify their negativity and extremism . So tell me when you will take the above haiths literally as well and when will be going to drink urine of camel?

and the others two women who got killed had committed three crimes and one of them was murder ..are you blind and cannot read?

Read it again it was not in normal condition.He SAW ordered to do so in illness which was specific.If you are ill and your condition is worse.The doctor prescribes you to drink camel urine.what will you do?You will do worse then that and if something worse then that is presented to you you will drink it in order to get health.
I am ignoring verses of quran?You are mocking Hadiths of Holy prophet SAW.The Hadith about camel is true and you are mocking it and making a fun out of it.Thats such a shame.In your hatred against Islam and molvis you've gone too far.

 

[Musafir117]

I was making a point...

Anyways, about those adahees:

Even Ka'ab bin Al-Ashraf was not just a blasphemer, he was more than that, Many blasphemers were pardoned by Prophet & even those who did some very severe things. Like:

• Accused him of forgery " . . . nay, he forged it." [Qur'an 21:5]
• Called him names like a man 'possessed' [Qur'an 23:70]
• Called him 'mad' [Qur'an 68:2]
• Tried to poison Prophet,(al-Bukhaari (2617) and Muslim (5834) narrated from Anas ibn Maalik (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Jewish woman brought the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) some poisoned mutton and he ate some of it. Then she was brought to him and it was said: Will you give us permission to execute her? He said: No.)
• Threw garbage on him(wife of Abu Lahab)
• Threw camel's stomach on him, while he was praying(see video below)
• Accused him of not knowing anything (Bukhari:56:814)
• Peed in a mosque (Sunan Ibn Majah:English reference:Vol. 1, Book 1, Hadith 528, Arabic ref:Book 1, Hadith 571 .. It was narrated from Anas bin Malik that: A Bedouin urinated in the mosque, and some of the people rushed at him. The Messenger of Allah said: "Do not interrupt him." Then he called for a bucket of water and poured it over (the urine).

etc.. etc... etc...

None of them were killed.
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Ghulam Murtaza Malik spoke few of above incidences here:
@ 9:40+ mother of a companion blasphemed. Listen how Prophet responded. Now it's upto you whose example you want to follow... Prophet prayed for her. Did not call for death sentence...

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Again @ 4:00+
Qureish even sweared at Prophet, kantay bichaay, galay mai phandaa daalaa, camel's stomach (oojhrey) oper phainkee, patharr maraay = blasphemy, blasphemy, blasphemy...!!! But how did he respond!!! When he over-powered them all at fatah-e-makkkah...!!! He practiced forgiveness... That`s Sunnah.

Like others pointed out, the only time when death sentence was given, the person was involved in "Fasaad", not just blasphemy.

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Ka'ab bin Al-Ashraf was involved in inciting Fasaad (provoked Quraish) just like Maulvi-Radio Fazlullah(Fazal Hayat) incited fasaad via his FM broadcast. And obscene language about muslim women and refused to refrain from doing that. I quote "...Ka’ab bin Malik who was one of those whose repentance was accepted said “Ka’ab bin Al Ashraf used to satire the Prophet and incited the the Quraish against him....". This shows some ppl did repent & were given a chance to desist & their repentance was accepted.

Even jewish encyclopedia mentions that he was involved in inciting of violence:
I quote:
"... exciting the Ḳuraish to revenge... gone to Mecca to induce the Ḳuraish to fight Mohammed once more..."

So it wasn't a case of blasphemy alone. It was Fasaad-fil-arz just like maulvi-Radio.
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Right on points but you hitting a wall sorry to say. As I mentioned somewhere they know you are right they know what are the real facts but they don't want their false ego to lose, and that's it.

 

[RangeMaster]

PERPETUAL ADHERENCE OF THE UMMAH FROM THE TIME OF HOLY PROPHET SAW TILL DATE WITHOUT ANY GAPS OR BREAKS THATS HOW WE RECEIVED QURAN.
For further details

http://www.al-mawrid.org/index.php/articles/view/difference-between-hadith-and-sunnah1

O then Ummah uses dozens of different ways to offer their prayer and the way of calling prayer of every sect is different.But Holy Prophet didnot do that.You've believe in Ummah or your forefathers,and didnot in Hadiths which were narrated by Sahabah.Actually here Ummah means your forefathers which you are following blindly.
Now tell me what method you are going to use cause in Islam there are not dozens of ways to offer prayer.

so you will be going to drink camel urine when ill as mentioned in sahih Muslim and sahih bukahri ?
I do see that you will be soon joining extremist forces and will be doing the same tasks in the name of Islam as they are doing. keep up and carry on reading about Islam through one eye

Stop mocking Hadith idiot.This is true Hadith and I've already answered it was in disesed condition.You have taken your hate against Islam too far.