قہر برپا کیا تم نے نبیﷺکا نام لے کر

[Verve]

Oh bhensa thread well in that thread he was saying that who ever kidnapped them should present them in courts and it was a legit demand too people got extremely emotional and angry on that thread and in Pakistan too and were demanding the agencies (cuz everyone thought/knew it was agencies who picked them up) should kill them all we were saying is present them in court with evidence it was a gov failure they fled the country.

And all along he was cleverly accusing the agencies by saying 'illegal disappearances' & 'illegal abductions' .. the point about defaming Pakistan I made earlier.

just like panama this topic is important too

Yes but low in priority list ... there is heck of a lot to do before .. give people some comfort and relief from tough life before tackling such issues. Although we have to be very careful on our enemies using this hype, it works well for them to keep raising it. As they say 'sarr pe itna sawar na kar len ke bakki sab kuch bhool jayen'

 

[The Sandman]

And all along he was cleverly accusing the agencies by saying 'illegal disappearances' & 'illegal abductions' .. the point about defaming Pakistan I made earlier.

That's his job to blame ISI and Pak army for every ill in our country.

Yes but low in priority list

I think we should place it below corruption, corruption is our biggest enemy without a doubt.
So corruption> extremism> education> development we should go like this.

As they say 'sarr pe itna sawar na kar len ke bakki sab kuch bhool jayen'

Now's the time ke apne main issues ko sar pe sawar krlein agar is country ko successful, progressive, economically strong country bnana hai to.

forgot to add education dammit how did i forgot this

 

[Verve]

those extremists

That's the issue .... the labelling ... and bias. We are highly polarised ... a modern dressing woman looks at a guy with a long beard and immediately stereotypes ... If one person says Allah and quotes Quran regularly, he is labelled an extremist automatically.

I have highly religious friends and I have very liberal ones too. If 'these extremists' become your regular acquaintances, you wouldn't actually label them as such. Judging someone based on typed words (the most impersonal way to know someone) is a very poor.

By changing my approach towards you guys, I was able to get myself across as I mean to and also understand you. Perhaps you should change your approach if the other is not willing.

BTW, I want full implementation of Deen, and that includes Islamic social economic and political system ..... yes, includes interest free banking system as well. To you, I must be an extremist, right? But isn't that what Jinnah also say!? He sure did!

 

[Hell hound]

That's the issue .... the labelling ... and bias. We are highly polarised ... a modern dressing woman looks at a guy with a long beard and immediately stereotypes ... If one person says Allah and quotes Quran regularly, he is labelled an extremist automatically.

I have highly religious friends and I have very liberal ones too. If 'these extremists' become your regular acquaintances, you wouldn't actually label them as such. Judging someone based on typed words (the most impersonal way to know someone) is a very poor.

By changing my approach towards you guys, I was able to get myself across as I mean to and also understand you. Perhaps you should change your approach if the other is not willing.

BTW, I want full implementation of Deen, and that includes Islamic social economic and political system ..... yes, includes interest free banking system as well. To you, I must be an extremist, right? But isn't that what Jinnah also say!? He sure did!

Hold your horses mate by extremists I ment talibans and people attending qadri's funeral not every guy with the beard.I too have a beard (though it is because of my laziness I must admit ) and hate to judge a book by its cover.

 

[Verve]

You just need to tone down a little. You guys come across quite harsh with 'I have higher moral ground' attitude, sorry to say but that's because of the use of language. This puts people in defensive mode, and you know what happens thereon.

people attending qadri's funeral

I do not think they are extremists - they are confused and misplaced and subsequently easily exploited. They are the ones needing reform and that's through kindness and not by labelling. If you can observe these people in their day to day lives, you'll be pleasantly surprised that they are not really extremists.

Yes, there are a lot of bad people around too ... but majority people are sheep, lead by their masters.

 

[Zarvan]

@Zarvan @RangeMaster @CHACHA"G"

Read the circled part again:
Some ahadees only give partial account of the whole context, when we read all of them to understand context only then we realize what actually had happened. Likes of you cheery-pick those partial accounts of the whole story and build opinion on that. All those who Prophet gave death sentence to were involved in murder or in "Fasaad-fil-arz"... Today likes of YOU are fasadees & deserve same punishment as did fasadees of Prophet's era. If prophet was present among us, he will punish like of you with his own hands for distorting his message.

View attachment 391480

Should I translate for your corrupt "haraam-maghaz"!!
It says he was involved in M.U.R.D.E.R.

.
.
.




As far as those women are concerned that your tunnel-visioned mullah-print-outs mention, those narrations have been rejected by scholars as zaeef.

.
.
.

He is the one who pardoned the Jewish woman who had poisoned the mutton for him.
al-Bukhaari (2617) and Muslim (5834) narrated from Anas ibn Maalik (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Jewish woman brought the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) some poisoned mutton and he ate some of it. Then she was brought to him and it was said: Will you give us permission to execute her? He said: No.

.
.
.
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6126) and Muslim (2327).
‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) never took revenge for his own sake, unless one of the sacred limits of Allaah had been transgressed, then he would take revenge for the sake of Allaah.
.
.
.

It is proven that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) forbade the killing of women.
Abu Dawood (2669) narrated that Rabaah ibn Rabee‘ said: We were with the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) on a campaign, and he saw the people gathered around something. He sent a man to find out what they were looking at, and he came back and told him that it was a woman who had been killed. He said: “Such a one could not have been a fighter.” Khaalid ibn al-Waleed was leading the vanguard of the army, so he sent a man to him and said: “Tell Khaalid: Do not kill any woman or hired worker.”

So according to your corrupted beliefs, did Prophet contradicted himself by ordering killing of woman who was not involved in any killings??? Hain oye jahiloon ke tolay?
.
.
.

Read again - about narrations of Asma's killing:

This is an invalid isnaad and a fabricated report that was narrated by Muhammad ibn al-Hajjaaj of whom al-Bukhaari said: His hadeeth is to be rejected. Ibn Ma‘een said: (He is) an evil liar. Ad-Daaraqutni said: (He is) a liar; and on one occasion he said: He is not trustworthy.


This hadeeth was also mentioned by Shaykh al-Albaani in ad-Da‘eefah (6013); he said it is fabricated (mawdoo‘).

Read again:

This is a worthless isnaad. Imam Ahmad said concerning al-Waaqidi – whose name was Muhammad ibn ‘Umar ibn Waaqid – : He is a liar; he alters hadeeths. Ibn Ma‘een said: He is not trustworthy. On one occasion he said: His hadeeth is not to be written down. Al-Bukhaari and Abu Haatim said: He is matrook (rejected). Abu Haatim and an-Nasaa’i said: He fabricates hadeeth. Ibn ‘Adiyy said: His hadeeths are odd and problematic. Ibn al-Madeeni said: al-Waaqidi fabricates hadeeth.


Read once more:

An-Nasaa’i said: The liars who are known for fabricating hadeeth are four: Ibraaheem ibn Abi Yahya in Madinah, al-Waaqidi in Baghdad, Muqaatil in Khorasan and Muhammad ibn Sa‘eed in Syria.

The guy during Fatah e Makkah was killed for Blasphemy than there is example of two prisoners in Battle of Badar when RASOOL SAW and Sahaba were returning from Badar he saw two men in among prisoners who along with Abu Juhal used to put Camel Stomach on his back when he used to offer Salah in Makkah. They were although taken prisoners still RASOOL SAW ordered Hazrat Ali to finish them and it was done than a blind Sahabi killed his slave women after she used abusive word for RASOOL SAW. I can give lot of other examples also.

And declaring authentic Hadees unauthentic is one of the major attacks which come from enemies of Islam.

 

[sur]

...And declaring authentic Hadees unauthentic is one of the major attacks which come from enemies of Islam.

Likes of YOU are enemy of islam.
Because you buy any falsehood and distort the truth.
Likes of you are acting against true sunnah of Prophet. So YOU are enemies of islam. You should be punished for that.


Those quoted in my post are persons like Bukhari who are compilers of ahadees themselves. You are calling them enemies of islam.! I did not make those categories. Compilers of ahadees themselves did.

 

[Zarvan]

YOU are enemy of islam.

Those quoted in my post are persons like Bukhari are compilers of ahadees themselves. You are calling them enemies of islam.! I did not make those categories. Compilers of ahadees themselves did.

I am not calling them enemies of Islam I am talking about liberals and Ghamdis of today

 

[Musafir117]

And all along he was cleverly accusing the agencies by saying 'illegal disappearances' & 'illegal abductions' .. the point about defaming Pakistan I made earlier.



Yes but low in priority list ... there is heck of a lot to do before .. give people some comfort and relief from tough life before tackling such issues. Although we have to be very careful on our enemies using this hype, it works well for them to keep raising it. As they say 'sarr pe itna sawar na kar len ke bakki sab kuch bhool jayen'

Stop lying it was @Zarvan your front soldier defender of blasphemy law post clearly they picked by " ISI " and I taged few Mods to check out his Fazool post. You nothing but an afraid dude, afraid from 3% miniorty afraid from liberal secular moderate thoughts you are afraid to accept truth. You might be don't care if another or dozen killed by having that law by hands of Mob but WE do care.
Get out from your shell of fear there was a liberal/Secular who give you this country and there were a mulla brigade who were siting in the laps of Hindus to oppose him.

 

[Verve]

@Verve, what's your other/original id ?

Don't be foolish!

Stop lying it was @Zarvan your front soldier defender of blasphemy law post clearly they picked by " ISI " and I taged few Mods to check out his Fazool post. You nothing but an afraid dude, afraid from 3% miniorty afraid from liberal secular moderate thoughts you are afraid to accept truth. You might be don't care if another or dozen killed by having that law by hands of Mob but WE do care.
Get out from your shell of fear there was a liberal/Secular who give you this country and there were a mulla brigade who were siting in the laps of Hindus to oppose him.

The defenders have arrived

Full of stupid assumptions and garbage this post of yours ... carry on ...

liberals & seculars are biggest killers and war starters in the recent history .... since the birth of these two concepts

 

[Divergent]

If you want to be a silly follower, and these lot lurvvve followers, then be so.

I'm just saying if its true then its a stupid thing to do. If not then it doesn't apply.

I am not calling them enemies of Islam I am talking about liberals and Ghamdis of today

Zarwan - do you agree that death should be given to non-Muslims for committing blasphemy, considering its out of their understanding (interpretation or importance of Faith to someone else) because their not of that faith?

 

[Verve]

I'm just saying if its true then its a stupid thing to do. If not then it doesn't apply.

It is pointless thing to do ... but it's fine, these fools want to waste their time on their silly theories so all fine with me.

 

[Zarvan]

I quoted them and YOU called them enemies of islam...
YOU should be punished for that.
They declared those ahadees as weak, not Ghamdi or liberals.

None of Hadees in Bukhari and Muslim are considered week and yes in other books some Hadees are. And you would find about those who were punished for Blasphemy in Bukhari and Muslim also. And I wasn't talking about Imams of Hadees I was talking about today's liberals and Ghamdis so don't resort to lies Please

 

[Musafir117]

Don't be foolish!



The defenders have arrived

Full of stupid assumptions and garbage this post of yours ... carry on ...

liberals & seculars are biggest killers and war starters in the recent history .... since the birth of these two concepts

I'm not going to waste my time on your broken record, the wrong is wrong whoever do that be Syed Ali Haider Azlan Zibago Sandman, me and Sandman had a heated discussion and in the end we agree to not engage with each other on the topic we had arguments But it's not mean we disagree on all topics or agreed on. Syed Ali Haider have highly anti Pakistani views and we all reject him but that dude talk sometime in sense when it's regarding laws and breaking laws.
When you used word " defender " in starting of your post my doubts even get more stronger that you are a fearful dude. Afraid from any tiny thing which make you to start yelling and calling names etc. grow up there are no liberal shiberal shekular vs Islam or Pakistan This is you fighting against your fears. You are not defending Islam you defending your false ego.

 

[Verve]

Tell meeeeee

He's scared of the ban ..

I'm not going to waste my time on your broken record, the wrong is wrong whoever do that be Syed Ali Haider Azlan Zibago Sandman, me and Sandman had a heated discussion and in the end we agree to not engage with each other on the topic we had arguments But it's not mean we disagree on all topics or agreed on. Syed Ali Haider have highly anti Pakistani views and we all reject him but that dude talk sometime in sense when it's regarding laws and breaking laws.
When you used word " defender " in starting of your post my doubts even get more stronger that you are a fearful dude. Afraid from any tiny thing which make you to start yelling and calling names etc. grow up there are no liberal shiberal shekular vs Islam or Pakistan This is you fighting against your fears. You are not defending Islam you defending your false ego.

Fearful of you? or others? Only an insecure imbecile would think I am fearful of liberals\seculars\you\any human\death ... ffs, you are dropping so low now it is beyond pathetic

What matters is my grave and the real life after ... you and others and what your isms are meaningless. Get that past your thick skins!

What a way to derail a thread eh ...... two idiots arrive and go off ....