Q&A on the death of Osama.

[Bratva]

Kakegta, Isn't your internet connection is tapped rght now or whenever you use Internet connection?

I assume you are the operative of some Civilian Intelligence, because most the info you are providing, we already know about this all.

Let me ask you, What were the reaction of your Intel Department when the news of Raid reached there?

 

[Icarus]

The KGB did try to keep some of Hitler's remains.

Only a fragment of his skull remains.

That's a good piece of intelligence analysis you're doing

Lolx, how "OB1 grows new ears" is a mystery to me as it is to you...........

 

[Icarus]

Kakegta, Isn't your internet connection is tapped rght now or whenever you use Internet connection?

I assume you are the operative of some Civilian Intelligence, because most the info you are providing, we already know about this all.

Let me ask you, What were the reaction of your Intel Department when the news of Raid reached there?

Yes my internet connection is tapped but I am not divulging any sensitive information. The security of the country is by no means being breached with what I am saying. Anyway, yes what I say has already been heard by you because these sort of questions have already been asked but your question is unique and It will be my pleasure to answer it.

Well, I was asleep when a friend of mine called me at about 5 or 6 in the morning and said "The Americans killed Osama".
I said that was very good news but he says no it's not because he has been killed in Pakistan and asks me to guess where.
I guess NWA but when I hear about Abbotabad, I realized that we were in for trouble.
The mood at the agency was grim and there was a lot of anger in the air, being Pakistanis, we too were angry as to how Osama could have been living right under our nose and secondly, why are radars did not pick the American helis as they came in. Some expected the miltary and PAF to be accomplices to the raid and were offended by the thought that we were not told of the raid. Some people told seniors to convey to Gen. Pasha that he should resign. Some also called on the Chief and President to resign over this. A couple of officials proposed that a coup de etat was in order. However, we were briefed on the issue by Gen. Pasha who offered to resign(which we rejected) and later the chief. We had already learnt that the helicopters used were stealth and that was the reason the radars had failed to detect their presence. The chief apologized over the raid, confirmed it as a an immense failure, showed resolve to never allow us to be caught with our gaurd down again and also told us to be prepared for public backlash. Tempers remained high for about a week but then rational thought prevailed that simply "We never expected this, thus we never prepared for it". However, trust me we will not allow this to happen again.

 

[Martian]

We tried, the blood has been contaminated by dirt, we couldn't get any conclusive results.

You are wrong. It is not the way forensics work. How blood of 3-4 persons is contaminated in such a short time. Organic/human substances can be seperated from contamination/dirt. Was crime scene washed away a la Benazir murder style? Other sources to determine OBL identity could be: body hair

It is obvious that Pakistan intelligence has not done any forensic analysis/sampling from Abbottabad house.

 

[Developereo]

If, as you stated, security forces had cordoned off the area within 15 minutes of the raid and had also noticed a very unusual crashed helicopter, whom did you suspect? Surely you didn't think terrorists had access to such sophisticated helicopters?

More importantly, why was the area left unsecured the next morning with children and random civilians playing with the helicopter parts? Even leaving aside matter of national security, there could have unexploded grenades or ammunition in the crashed aircraft.

 

[S.M.R]

His personal articles, his close accomplices.
And it's not one woman and a girl. Two of his wives and about a dozen children confirm it.

I do believe that countries were contacted in order to receive the body because my friend in the FO personally confirmed that the US has asked if Pakistan would agree to bury Bin LAden somewhere quietly in an unmarked grave. We declined to take the body, he also told me that similar calls were made to KSA, Iraq, Afghanistan, Jordan. But no one was prepared to take the body.
Hitler's remains are an example, it was not wanted by USSR, who held it. East Germany didn't want it, West Germany wanted nothing to do with it, America wanted it away from them. So the soviets threw it into the sea in the 60s.

thanks for your time.

 

[Hammy007]

Kakgeta, you are just seeking some attention nothing else

 

[Icarus]

You are wrong. It is not the way forensics work. How blood of 3-4 persons is contaminated in such a short time. Organic/human substances can be seperated from contamination/dirt. Was crime scene washed away a la Benazir murder style? Other sources to determine OBL identity could be: body hair

It is obvious that Pakistan intelligence has not done any forensic analysis/sampling from Abbottabad house.

It had dried on the floor, dirt from shoes and that from the air had contaminated it. To extract conclusive results, you need some material that can withstand rigors of the physical world, something that doesn't decompose easily, like hair or bone, but we don't have that. Samples off a comb were taken but I'm guessing there was no headway because I didn't get updated about it

 

[Icarus]

If, as you stated, security forces had cordoned off the area within 15 minutes of the raid and had also noticed a very unusual crashed helicopter, whom did you suspect? Surely you didn't think terrorists had access to such sophisticated helicopters?

More importantly, why was the area left unsecured the next morning with children and random civilians playing with the helicopter parts? Even leaving aside matter of national security, there could have unexploded grenades or ammunition in the crashed aircraft.

The heli wasn't there at the time, it crashed when it came to pick up the SEALS. According to eye witnesses, the pilot was preparing to touch down to receive the SEALS when his tail hit the wall. The damage wasn't significant but sufficient to leave the chopper in no position to fly. Due to which the soldiers destroyed it with the help of explosives. They then left on the remaining helis.

 

[Icarus]

Kakgeta, you are just seeking some attention nothing else

Duly noted, you are entitled to your point of view and I respect that. However I also know that the nation, or rather the world is burning with questions about Bin-Laden's death and there are a lot of misconceptions, rumors and hear-say going around and if I can use my knowledge to clear some of that up, then it's a fine use for my spare time.

P.S: I command sufficient attention in the Pakistan's War section. Did so before the Bin Laden episode and will God-willing do so long after.

 

[Chogy]

Kakgeta, thanks for your time in this subject. I'm afraid Occam's Razor has few fans here...

Occam's razor is an oft-cited principle which holds that simpler explanations, all things being equal, are usually better than more complex ones.

Eyewitness testimony from OBL family members is apparently not good enough.

 

[Icarus]

thanks for your time.

No need for thank yous, It was my pleasure.........

 

[Icarus]

Kakgeta, thanks for your time in this subject. I'm afraid Occam's Razor has few fans here...



Eyewitness testimony from OBL family members is apparently not good enough.

Chogy, my friend. Nice to hear from you. Unfortunately many people seem to be taking solace in the fact that our borders were breached for the sole purpose of perpetrating an elaborate hoax. Which was not the case, however, I'm having problems with convincing people otherwise without any "Ground breaking" revelations to back up the real story.

 

[Martian]

It had dried on the floor, dirt from shoes and that from the air had contaminated it. To extract conclusive results, you need some material that can withstand rigors of the physical world, something that doesn't decompose easily, like hair or bone, but we don't have that. Samples off a comb were taken but I'm guessing there was no headway because I didn't get updated about it

Blood stains dont decompose/contaminate that easily. Pakistan was controlling that site 15 minutes after Americans had left. There are many possibilities for professional forensic experts to know truth.

But since Pakistani Establishment has to blindly follow American instructions, therefore there is no need to determine exact truth. Only statements from US and OBL widows are enough for enslaved people.

 

[Safriz]

my whole family lives 3 miles away from where allegedly OBL was killed and the chain of events i came to know does match your description of events. but none of that confirms OBLs presence there and that it was OBL killed.
The helicopter crash was extensively and in detail discussed and reported live on this forum in a thread. if you read the mentioned thread . you will notice that there are indications that pakarmy knew about the operation. what made it public and all of a suden the whole city descended on tbe OBL operstion site.was the hicopter crash. if the helicopter hadnt crashed things would have been different.