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Putin to visit China after skipping US

Some good reading skills needed. Senior member :D
First check the sanity of your post then of the reply.
Plus try to get sarcasm :D it's free :D

Russia gives more importance to her alliance with China than her business like dealings with india. You talk of sanity but it's clear that you cannot face this fact.:lol:
 
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Russia gives more importance to her alliance with China than her business like dealings with india. You talk of sanity but it's clear that you cannot face this fact.:lol:

And you are ??? Russian ambassador ??? :D

BTW again some reading skill were required here. My comment was on different context. But I presume you forget what you write earlier. So let it be. :D keep going :D
 
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Total Arms Imports (2000 to 2011):

China: USD 24.938 Billion

India: USD 20.789 Billion

Does your "IQ" permit you to figure out that China imported most arms 2000 to 2011. Got it?

Arms industry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Year --> 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 TOTAL
China --> 2015 3366 2819 2207 3080 3511 3831 1474 1481 595 559 24938
India --> 911 1242 1872 2802 2227 1036 1257 2179 1810 2116 3337 20789


And the entire USD 25 Billion went to Russia because no one else sells to China
Type 052C (Luyang-II Class) Missile Destroyer - SinoDefence.com

Ukraine-made DA80/DN80 gas turbines

Type 99 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

turbocharged 1,500 hp diesel derived from the German MB871ka501 diesel technology

Type 054A frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

CODAD, 4 x SEMT Pielstick 16 PA6 STC diesels, 5700 kW (7600+ hp @ 1084 rpm) each

Type 071 amphibious transport dock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



CODAD
4 × SEMT Pielstick 16 PC2.6 V400 diesel engines, 47,200 hp (35,197 kW)
2 × shafts [1]

Aérospatiale Super Frelon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6C-67B turboshaft engines

Shaanxi Y-8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Y-8X Equipped with Litton Canada AN/APS-504(V) search radar for maritime surveillance missions

Y-8F-600: Newest civilian transport variant with a redesigned fuselage, Pratt and Whitney turboprop engines

http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.230/pub_detail.asp

5) A Little Help From The EU

One of the few foreign firms that was exhibiting at CIDEX for the first time was the Norwegian electronics manufacturer, Sensonor. The company is offering its products on both the Chinese and Russian military markets. It is one of the leading European firs to offer products based on Micro-Electro-Mechanical Systems (MEMS) technology, and the company representatives said that this was their first show in China.

Sensonor’s MEMS gyroscope components offer the possibility for radically improving the accuracy of Chinese missile systems and precision-guided munitions. The central component is the STIM202 Butterfly gyro, which is a 55-gram miniature module that replaces previous-generation fibre-optic, ring laser and mechanical gyros.

The STIM202 is based on single-crystal silicon technology. It can be configured in 1, 2 or 3 axes capability and offers 24-bit resolution plus an RS422 bit rate like the components made by their Chinese competitors at Kotel. Company engineers claim that “the STIM202 is so small and light that the designers of a missile system can use two of the modules to provide the weapon’s on-board guidance module with back-up redundancy, which was never a possibility with previous-generation guidance components.”














Norway’s Sensonor has the market for selling MEMS based guidance equipment all to itself in China. The US and other EU firms cannot compete here. This technology could profoundly enhance the accuracy of all Chinese-produced PGM.



There are a number of firms worldwide producing components based on this type of technology, but the rest of them are barred from doing business in China due to the Tiananmen Square arms embargo. However Sensonor claim they can do business in China because “there is no ITAR content to our product.”

“We almost have to thank the US government for forbidding American firms from offering this product in China,” said one Sensonor engineer, “because the prohibition has more or less left this market completely open for us without any US or other competition.”

If the Sensonor technology is purchased by Chinese industry in significant numbers, their missiles and other guided weapons will achieve levels of performance and accuracy comparable to their western counterparts, but at a much lower total system cost. Even though Kotel in China are already producing a similar product, the people from Sensonor said that they are not worried about their product being reverse-engineered and illegally copied.

“This is a complex technology and it requires significant amounts of investment in industrial production equipment and years of experience to be able to produce these components on a cost-effective basis. This does not lend the technology to being easy to duplicate.”

Why selling this product into China is not considered a violation of the EU arms embargo on the PRC is unknown. Having no ITAR content may be one issue, but the significant increase it will bring to the accuracy of Chinese weaponry certainly violates the spirit – if not the letter – of the EU embargo.

The fact that this Norwegian firm was one of the only foreign companies offering a new product shows just how technologically sophisticated China’s defence electronics sector has become. There appears to be little that they cannot do on their own, and what few technologies they cannot develop on their own seems to become more and more readily available despite international sanctions that should prevent them from being able to purchase it.

We did purchase large quantity of Russia arms in the early 2000 but we have passed the bait to India :lol:

Also billions are for sub system like engines or chips partial systems and fire control which is not under Europe embargo.... You don't realise, European are cunning that they have their ways to get around this embargo.

Most important is we already passed that stages while India sunk deeper and deeper.... :lol:
 
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We did purchase large quantity of Russia arms in the early 2000 but we have passed the bait to India :lol:

Also billions are for sub system like engines or chips partial systems and fire control which is not under Europe embargo.... You don't realise, European are cunning that they have their ways to get around this embargo.

Most important is we already passed that stages while India sunk deeper and deeper.... :lol:

You can keep yourself in delusion ... like most chinese like to do.

Reality does not change.

China's imports are not different from India ... only that China is primarily dependent on a single supplier - Russia.

Hence, china can only import Su-30 MKK and no other fighter .. while India chooses .. and hence buys the technologies which are cheaper to buy, rather than re-inventing the wheel.

You can continue to call J-11, an "indigenous" Flanker bull$hit ..... while India gets transparent technology transfer, and except the initial few Su-30MKI .... all the Su-30MKI are actually manufactured in India (with NIL import of even component or even the engine).

China still imports AL-31 engine ..... India doesn't... (the same engines are manufactured in India).
 
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You can keep yourself in delusion ... like most chinese like to do.

Reality does not change.

China's imports are not different from India ... only that China is primarily dependent on a single supplier - Russia.

Hence, china can only import Su-30 MKK and no other fighter .. while India chooses .. and hence buys the technologies which are cheaper to buy, rather than re-inventing the wheel.

You can continue to call J-11, an "indigenous" Flanker bull$hit ..... while India gets transparent technology transfer, and except the initial few Su-30MKI .... all the Su-30MKI are actually manufactured in India (with NIL import of even component or even the engine).

China still imports AL-31 engine ..... India doesn't... (the same engines are manufactured in India).

The one who is delusion is you... :lol: Face the reality! We are already making plenty of stuff by ourselves.

Pictures dont lie. Those engine on this J-11B is domestic engines.

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http://www.defence.pk/forums/air-warfare/84838-new-j11bs-ws-10-engine-pics-4.html

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The 123 AL-31FN engine is only for J-10A and the delivery spread over a course of 3 years...

Do you think its enough for our whole fleet of new fighter?

Your AL-31 engine main core still needs to be import. Russia will never be so stupid to pass all the know how to you all.

Same as Turkey who has been co-producing F110 engine but do they ever managed to build and design a modern 7.5 ratio class turbofan? No...

China, yes.. Even the German MTU engine and French SEMT Pielstick 16 PA6 STC diesels engine, we have already manage to assimulated. That is why they are hundreds of Type 99 A2 tank entering service, so as 16 Type 054A frigate and 4 071 LPD...

We don't even want Russian latest Su-35 when they wants to sell us. So what do you think of yr crap MKI to us? We treat it as junk! :lol:
 
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You can keep yourself in delusion ... like most chinese like to do.

Reality does not change.

China's imports are not different from India ... only that China is primarily dependent on a single supplier - Russia.

Hence, china can only import Su-30 MKK and no other fighter .. while India chooses .. and hence buys the technologies which are cheaper to buy, rather than re-inventing the wheel.

You can continue to call J-11, an "indigenous" Flanker bull$hit ..... while India gets transparent technology transfer, and except the initial few Su-30MKI .... all the Su-30MKI are actually manufactured in India (with NIL import of even component or even the engine).

China still imports AL-31 engine ..... India doesn't... (the same engines are manufactured in India).

LOL, how long did it take India to develop the crappy LCA?

And it still hasn't been inducted yet. :rofl:

Your boasting is so incredible, especially since you have nothing to show for it.
 
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Russia gives more importance to her alliance with China than her business like dealings with india. You talk of sanity but it's clear that you cannot face this fact.:lol:
you are right russia wants a strong allay becouse when the time comes and the us and western europe face russia will india say at this time russia is my allay ? of course not
russia and china can protect their freedom and their place as a superpower becouse their enemy is one nato who was so busy bombing and killing all who stood in their way since the fall of the soviet union
this is something different than making weapons deals between two nations
 
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LOL, how long did it take India to develop the crappy LCA?

And it still hasn't been inducted yet. :rofl:

Your boasting is so incredible, especially since you have nothing to show for it.

And how many crashes has the crappy J-10 registered, so far?

Recalling that, RIP to all the dead souls on board Junk-10 ..... but then, there is a difference between an accident and a murder.

Making innocent pilots board the J-10 is murder, not accident.

Go.. stupids, even if you need to buy AL-31s .. DO IT ... for the sake of poor pilots who are getting murdered.

Anyway, how about a working Ejection Kit? - try and maybe Indian govt will permit their export on humanitarian grounds.
 
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And how many crashes has the crappy J-10 registered, so far?

Recalling that, RIP to all the dead souls on board Junk-10 ..... but then, there is a difference between an accident and a murder.

Making innocent pilots board the J-10 is murder, not accident.

Go.. stupids, even if you need to buy AL-31s .. DO IT ... for the sake of poor pilots who are getting murdered.

Anyway, how about a working Ejection Kit? - try and maybe Indian govt will permit their export on humanitarian grounds.

India can only be proud of Western films like Mumbai millionaire, their actual projects never get inducted. :wave:

You spent how many decades making the Lcrap?
 
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You can keep yourself in delusion ... like most chinese like to do.

Reality does not change.

China's imports are not different from India ... only that China is primarily dependent on a single supplier - Russia.

Hence, china can only import Su-30 MKK and no other fighter .. while India chooses .. and hence buys the technologies which are cheaper to buy, rather than re-inventing the wheel.

You can continue to call J-11, an "indigenous" Flanker bull$hit ..... while India gets transparent technology transfer, and except the initial few Su-30MKI .... all the Su-30MKI are actually manufactured in India (with NIL import of even component or even the engine).

China still imports AL-31 engine ..... India doesn't... (the same engines are manufactured in India).
LOL at indians deluding themselves as if China is some kind of third world hole like india. The third world hole can't even manufacture its own bullets, nevermind a turbofan engine. China is one of only 4 nations in the world that can make its own turbofan. All of india's "indigenous" programs are nothing more than shoddy assembly of components imported from Russia or Israel.
 
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LOL at indians deluding themselves as if China is some kind of third world hole

No dear.. CPC says China is great .. heaven .. no coal mines .. absolutely nil pollution .. so, it must be.

Sun Tzu said, "If you stay long enough in a Gutter, your nose will get suitably burnt and you will not longer be annoyed by the smell".

Enjoy your Gutter (off course, believing it to be whatever CPC tells you, it is). :tup:
 
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No dear.. CPC says China is great .. heaven .. no coal mines .. absolutely nil pollution .. so, it must be.

Sun Tzu said, "If you stay long enough in a Gutter, your nose will get suitably burnt and you will not longer be annoyed by the smell".

Enjoy your Gutter (off course, believing it to be whatever CPC tells you, it is). :tup:
Okay keep believing China is just as poor and undeveloped as india. We Chinese have all seen pics of india (especially the Ganges) :rofl:
 
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Okay keep believing China is just as poor and undeveloped as india. We Chinese have all seen pics of india (especially the Ganges) :rofl:

off course, because chinese rivers have all gone dry. :laugh:

none of them manages to reach the sea !!!

Indians should not be upset if Putin visits China. After all Chinese didn't give a damn when Clinton etc come to India

India isn't.

But ChinaToday thinks that India should be concerned. :laugh:

He believes that it's some sort of "victory" for china. :laugh:
 
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Comrades gather together. But there is no true communism with both of them. :sniper:
 
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