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Putin/Russia provoked what has turned into shooting war in Ukraine

They will. I remember before this whole Ukrainian crisis started I posted an article about Russian troops heading to the crimea. All the russians and pro russians said that it was fake news. Guess what several days later it turned out to be real. Then I said that russia would annex crimea and they said that will not happen. Next thing you know crimea is part of Russia. Next step they will take over parts of eastern ukraine then move on to parts of moldova eventually.

You are right on target.

Moldova...is next to Odesa..and shares the Dniester River Harbor into the Black Sea, across the water from the Crimea and the Russian Navy Base at Sevastopal.

My view, just me, of why Russia will move to also seize Moldova is shown on the map I am copying and pasting here:

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The world still operates under international law and releated traties and national constitutions through the UN.

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Since when ??? :woot: its a news to me.
I do't recall UN gving green signal to bomb Saddam infact if my memory is correct UN was against it :cheesy:
So Please enlighten me with your wisdom.
 
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Since when ??? :woot: its a news to me.
I do't recall UN gving green signal to bomb Saddam infact if my memory is correct UN was against it :cheesy:
So Please enlighten me with your wisdom.

US are hypocrites.

International law is fine only when it suits them.
 
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Crimea was originally part of the ‘Rus’ principality of Kiev. It was later conquered by the Golden Horde and became an independent Khanate in 1441. In 1475 Crimean Khan accepted over all suzerainty of the Ottomans and remained so until 1783. Russian Czarina Catherine the Great annexed it in 1784 and it remained under Russian control and later part of the Soviet Union. Nikita Khrushchev transferred Crimea in 1954 to then Ukraine Soviet Socialist Republic thru a decree. In 991 it became an autonomous region with Ukraine Republic in 1991. In my view annexing of Crimea by Russia after a referendum is not illegal.

NATO was established to counter the military threats of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. Therefore after the collapse of the Soviet Union “Raison d’etre” of NATO ceased to exit and it should have been disbanded. However US & the European Union redefined philosophy of NATO existence in the light of changing international threats and security. Initially, Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland joined NATO in 1999. Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia joined in 2004 and Albania & Croatia in 2009, making number of organization members to 28 countries.

Although Moscow is no longer considered as a superpower in the international system after the collapse of USSR; these countries were part of the former Soviet Union and Russia would have liked to continue her political influence on these countries. (For the record Ukraine owes a whopping $17-billion to Russia in overdue gas payments). Russia believes that these countries are closely connected with Russia's national interests and her economy. NATO enlargement to the Eastern Europe countries is therefore a threat to Russia's security and stability and that US & NATO are pursuing this policy to in order to reduce the authority of Russia on the international scene.

Besides now that Russia Federation is rich with nearly $430-billion in foreign currency reserves; Putin feels confident enough to throw his weight around. Don’t know how far Russia is willing to go in this case, but the Red line has been drawn. I sincerely hope that better sense prevails and the matter is resolved thru negotiations.
 
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Crimea was originally part of the ‘Rus’ principality of Kiev. It was later conquered by the Golden Horde and became an independent Khanate in 1441. In 1475 Crimean Khan accepted over all suzerainty of the Ottomans and remained so until 1783. Russian Czarina Catherine the Great annexed it in 1784 and it remained under Russian control and later part of the Soviet Union. Nikita Khrushchev transferred Crimea to Russia in 1954 to then Ukraine Soviet Socialist Republic thru a decree. In 991 it became an autonomous region with Ukraine Republic in 1991. In my view annexing of Crimea by Russia after a referendum is not illegal.

NATO was established to counter the military threats of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. Therefore after the collapse of the Soviet Union “Raison d’etre” of NATO ceased to exit and it should have been disbanded. However US & the European Union redefined philosophy of NATO existence in the light of changing international threats and security. Initially, Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland joined NATO in 1999. Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia joined in 2004 and Albania & Croatia in 2009, making number of organization members to 28 countries.

Although Moscow is no longer considered as a superpower in the international system after the collapse of USSR; these countries were part of the former Soviet Union and Russia would have liked to continue her political influence on these countries. (For the record Ukraine owes a whopping $17-billion to Russia in overdue gas payments). Russia believes that these countries are closely connected with Russia's national interests and her economy. NATO enlargement to the Eastern Europe countries is therefore a threat Russia's security and stability and that US & NATO are pursuing this policy to in order to reduce the authority of Russia on the international scene.

Besides now that Russia Federation is rich with nearly $430-billion in foreign currency reserves; Putin feels confident enough to throw his weight around. Don’t know how far Russia is willing to go in this case, but the Red line has been drawn. I sincerely hope that better sense prevails and the matter is resolved thru negotiations.

@niaz ,
All of that is correct. There is also a bit more. A good bit of the population in the Ukraine is of Russian stock. This is because of forced migration/settlement that took place earlier notably in the Stalinist era. And their inherent allegiances have not shifted. This is conspicuously so in the Crimean Peninsula but in other parts of the Ukraine too. Ditto for Moldova, I do think that will be the next domino.....to fall.
There is a distinct divide between native Ukrainians and the Russian stock Ukrainians. I've seen and experienced that first-hand. The political 'heaving and pulling' in Ukraine is just a convenient reason to expose that. Nothing that Uncle Sam can do about it.
 
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Matthew Bodner - US News

Russia has had two Heavenly warning now. Does Russia want more?

US NEWS & WORLD REPORT MAGAZINE: Meteor Illuminates Night Sky Over Murmansk Region (Video)
A Russian astronomer has said that a shimmering fireball that illuminated the night sky over the northern Murmansk region last week was "a very bright meteor."

Having watched footage of the incident on YouTube, Sergei Smirnov, chief researcher at the Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory near St. Petersburg, couldn't determine the exact altitude and trajectory of the fireball, but said that it was traveling "many tens of kilometers" above the ground.

Because the object's flight "ended in combustion" and not in a collision with the Earth, it must be classified as a meteor, not a meteorite, Smirnov said, Interfax reported Monday.

It was spotted on a car's dashboard camera at 2 a.m. on Friday, and its bright blue light was seen all across the Kola Peninsula.

Dashcam footage of the meteor hurtling across the sky in northern Russia. (9plus0 / YouTube)
Astronomers have linked the "fireball's" appearance to a meteor cloud that the Earth started to travel through a few days ago.

The Earth regularly encounters these clouds without harm, because many of the rocks are too small to survive the heat of entering the atmosphere — resulting in meteor showers.

"Meteor clouds create meteor showers, 20-25 flashes in the sky over the course of several hours. Usually they are not bright, but this object was larger," Smirnov said.

Despite Smirnov's contention that the rock disintegrated before it hit the ground, a search party is being readied to look for an impact site, which the participants believe could be somewhere in the Apatitsko-Kirovsky district.

Last year a meteor entered the Earth's atmosphere at a speed of 40,000 miles per hour and exploded high above the Russian city of Chelyabinsk with the force of 500,000 tons of TNT — the size of a small nuclear bomb.

More than 1,500 people were injured, mainly by broken glass, when it crashed to Earth.

Following the incident, the Federal Space Agency, or Roscosmos, proposed an international cooperative asteroid defense project.
 
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The world post Cold War is not interested in, most don't know or care, how undemocratic kingdoms, caliphates, and such existed in past ancient history. I prefer to simplify the issues today going forward:

1. Mr. Putin wants to reconstruct the nations of the old USSR into a forced new Russian banking system to bolster their narrowly based oil and gas, and lots of timber, revenue base. Example today Russia shut down four banks in Crimeria and converted them by shere brute force, no rule of law whatsoever, into the Russian central banking system.

2. Spetznatz forces killed some say 3, the Russians say 6, over the weekend at a border crossing from Ukraine with Russia border security point.

3. Spetznatz led and in part manned parties, armed, continue to occupy Eastern Ukraine cities government buildings, which Russia said last week would be turned back to Ukraine to achieve a return to normalized relations between Russia and Ukraine.

Condemnation of those "in the name of religion" who continue to murder and mame innocent Muslims in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and in Africa is what you should be focused on and opposed to.

Russia is brutally disinterested in moderate peaceful relations with Chechnya, whose natural resources Russia is stealing.

Hypocrisy is in the eye of the beholder. You might want to visit a modern day democratic oculist for some help.

The world post Cold War is not interested in, most don't know or care, how undemocratic kingdoms, caliphates, and such existed in past ancient history. I prefer to simplify the issues today going forward:

1. Mr. Putin wants to reconstruct the nations of the old USSR into a forced new Russian banking system to bolster their narrowly based oil and gas, and lots of timber, revenue base. Example today Russia shut down four banks in Crimeria and converted them by shere brute force, no rule of law whatsoever, into the Russian central banking system.

2. Spetznatz forces killed some say 3, the Russians say 6, over the weekend at a border crossing from Ukraine with Russia border security point.

3. Spetznatz led and in part manned parties, armed, continue to occupy Eastern Ukraine cities government buildings, which Russia said last week would be turned back to Ukraine to achieve a return to normalized relations between Russia and Ukraine.

Condemnation of those "in the name of religion" who continue to murder and mame innocent Muslims in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and in Africa is what you should be focused on and opposed to.

Russia is brutally disinterested in moderate peaceful relations with Chechnya, whose natural resources Russia is stealing.

Hypocrisy is in the eye of the beholder. You might want to visit a modern day democratic oculist for some help.

The Moscow Times - Breaking News, Business, Culture & Multimedia from Russia Read the only English daily newspaper, THE MOSCOW TIMES today's issue, front page article about breaking apart before it ever got to it's footing EU/US/Russian/Ukraine agreement of just last week.
 
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The world post Cold War is not interested in, most don't know or care, how undemocratic kingdoms, caliphates, and such existed in past ancient history. I prefer to simplify the issues today going forward:

1. Mr. Putin wants to reconstruct the nations of the old USSR into a forced new Russian banking system to bolster their narrowly based oil and gas, and lots of timber, revenue base. Example today Russia shut down four banks in Crimeria and converted them by shere brute force, no rule of law whatsoever, into the Russian central banking system.

2. Spetznatz forces killed some say 3, the Russians say 6, over the weekend at a border crossing from Ukraine with Russia border security point.

3. Spetznatz led and in part manned parties, armed, continue to occupy Eastern Ukraine cities government buildings, which Russia said last week would be turned back to Ukraine to achieve a return to normalized relations between Russia and Ukraine.

Condemnation of those "in the name of religion" who continue to murder and mame innocent Muslims in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and in Africa is what you should be focused on and opposed to.

Russia is brutally disinterested in moderate peaceful relations with Chechnya, whose natural resources Russia is stealing.

Hypocrisy is in the eye of the beholder. You might want to visit a modern day democratic oculist for some help.



The Moscow Times - Breaking News, Business, Culture & Multimedia from Russia Read the only English daily newspaper, THE MOSCOW TIMES today's issue, front page article about breaking apart before it ever got to it's footing EU/US/Russian/Ukraine agreement of just last week.



Hon Sir,

In my view, reference to Chechnya, Syria etc. and dragging in religion simply muddies the waters. Main issue here is whether annexing of Crimea by Russia was legal; what caused it and what could be the future ramifications of an act of changing international borders in the 21st century

Regardless of what we want or would like; we are what history made us. For example despite the fact that Scotland & England were united thru an act of parliament in 1603 and merged in 1707, I can vouch that during my stay in Glasgow back in 1966, England was still referred to as “old enemy” by the Scots and there is going to be a referendum on September 18, 2014 wherein Scots will decide whether they wish to remain in the Union or not.

It is however your privilege to choose to see the events from whichever end of the telescope you prefer. I am only trying to rationalize the reasons as to why Crimean people and a section of Ukrainian population suddenly start rebelling against an incumbent government? I also consider referendum by the Crimean people as an expression of their democratic right.

I live in the UK and hence am deeply concerned with the economic well-being of UK & the European Union that are still in the middle of a long recession. Any hostilities or tension with the Russian Federation would be bad for the economic well-being of ordinary residents of Europe. It would raise gas prices if nothing else.

This may be construed as selfish but anyone who reads my posts will know that I am a middle of the road liberal and I stand by my statement “I sincerely hope that better sense prevails and the matter is resolved thru negotiations”. I would also not take a Moscow News paper headline as expressing Putin's view point; as I am sure most Americans don't consider opinions expressed in the Fox News as official White House policies.

I am not taking sides as all the stake holders in this dispute are playing 'Realpolitik'. I have no need to see an “Oculist” as you suggested. You may call me myopic and an isolationist if it pleases you. However no need to be unpleasant about it. Let us agree to disagree.
 
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The world post Cold War is not interested in, most don't know or care, how undemocratic kingdoms, caliphates, and such existed in past ancient history. I prefer to simplify the issues today going forward:

1. Mr. Putin wants to reconstruct the nations of the old USSR into a forced new Russian banking system to bolster their narrowly based oil and gas, and lots of timber, revenue base. Example today Russia shut down four banks in Crimea and converted them by sheer brute force, no rule of law whatsoever, into the Russian central banking system.

2. Spetznatz forces killed some say 3, the Russians say 6, over the weekend at a border crossing from Ukraine with Russia border security point.

3. Spetznatz led and in part manned parties, armed, continue to occupy Eastern Ukraine cities government buildings, which Russia said last week would be turned back to Ukraine to achieve a return to normalized relations between Russia and Ukraine.

Condemnation of those "in the name of religion" who continue to murder and mame innocent Muslims in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and in Africa is what you should be focused on and opposed to.

Russia is brutally disinterested in moderate peaceful relations with Chechnya, whose natural resources Russia is stealing.

Hypocrisy is in the eye of the beholder. You might want to visit a modern day democratic oculist for some help.

The Moscow Times - Breaking News, Business, Culture & Multimedia from Russia Read the only English daily newspaper, THE MOSCOW TIMES today's issue, front page article about breaking apart before it ever got to it's footing EU/US/Russian/Ukraine agreement of just last week.

Major, you are very polite compared to several younger folks on this site who are big on blaming others for complex world problems. And your wish to hold prices of gas and such down are understandable.

Perhaps you are unaware that alternative, near term replacements of and for gas and oil are rapidly being arranged, for Western Europe by increased production by the Saudis as well as by the US, which continues to open vast amounts of oil and gas reserve and has new gas and oil findings (together with Canada) which "should:"

1. Further reduce imports of gas and oil to the US (already a fact, reductions have been going in recent years).

2. This in turn frees up overseas from wherever oil and gas formerly sold to US now available to fill the potential short falls in Western Europe (to include the Ukraine if necessary) and the UK.

I stand by my opinions I hold as the most germane to core issues today. In no way do I mean or intend to be rude to you, but frankly look at the rude, radical, and ill informed remarks some youth here throw at me and any other Westerner on this site.

I am not "retaliating" continuing to emphasize the hard truths they, and to some extent, you wish would just "go away."

Mr. Putin as THE MOSCOW TIMES notes in the same editorial I note again today from yesterday has gone "nuts" and doesn't seem to know how to restrain, refocus, and control himself. Putin is bucking most of the free world, with the head of the UN on down condemning his breaking and defying of international law.

I also have relatives born, educated and still living in the UK (England) and am not unaware of impact of economic sanctions which THE MOSCOW TIMES editorial I posted here yesterday notes in finding fault with Mr. Putin's internationally illegal actions which some quickly would appease as was attempted with horrible results by Neville Chamberlin with Hitler leading into WW II. It is both brave and rare for a major media inside Mr. Putin's Russia to dare to speak the whole truth and they and it deserves full credit as far as many of us in the West are concerned.

Radical religion is a core issue in today's real world and has to be dealt with. It shows it's ugly head on this site when factions of a major religion attack each other as nations, by name, by those favoring one version or another. I have friends here in the US who are followers of the Agha Khan Shiite branch of Islam. They constructively, peacefully exist overseas in various Muslim majority nations, but they are innocently under physical attack today, particularly in Pakistan. They are under literally physical under attack(s), intermittently, with their mosques bombed and shot up. Such instances cannot be ignored.

In short, the cold realities are there and cannot ignore or wish them away.

Let me emphasize again what the brave editorial leadership of THE MOSCOW TIMES wrote yesterday in part:

"It seems that the crisis in Ukraine will have to get much worse before Washington and Moscow will understand that the only way to resolve the conflict is by cooperating and making concessions to each other. For now, though, it seems that Russia is holding its ground and simply waiting complacently to get slapped with additional sanctions.

The Geneva agreement might have offered a slight respite, but it did not generate serious hopes for resolving the crisis in Ukraine."

PS - I am myself a retiree at age 74, although I do a little business (recurring) along the way each year. I understand your retiree focus. But even here in the US, dealing with the still ongoing world financial crisis which remains greed driven in my book, us retirees are left with little to no interest earnings on savings and other investments due to the worldwide greed driven securitized mortgages, in particular, which have seriously damaged the national economies of Greece, Spain, Italy, France, and likewise has hit hard the economy of the UK where you live. Would any of us have ever imagined the whole US economy staggering as it is and has been since about 2006 or so while at the same time having very low inflation? How would you react when your mortgage company calls you up from another state here and tells you in recent years that your mortgage is "upside down" due to falling residential home values...which falling values are in part caused by and driven by the same greed driven mortgage bank which was calling me? I called my US Senator, a lifelong personal friend, and let him and his staff deal with the mortgage bank as I paid and still pay my mortgage one time with a near perfect credit rating. I subsequently got an individual personal letter from the mortgage banker who had the gall to call me. But I worry about those who didn't or don't personally know a powerful US Senator to get as quick a relief response as I was able to get. These are still tough economic times for us all, and that nut case Putin has now focused himself as part of the problem. Russia is shorting the supply of gas and oil over there by invading Ukraine and is now reaping a huge profit by artificially hiking instead of sanely lowering it's end user pricing.







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The Geneva Respite
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The agreement on Ukraine that Russia, the European Union, U.S. and Ukraine reached in Geneva on Thursday is the first document in which all four parties expressed at least some degree of common interest. It provided a glimmer of hope that the Ukrainian crisis might cool down somewhat. At the same time, however, it does not offer the de-escalation that would stave off the second round of sanctions that Washington is threatening to impose against Moscow.

The Geneva agreement might have offerred a slight relief, but it did not generate serious hopes for resolving the crisis in Ukraine.

It is good that the EU, U.S. and Russia sat down at the same table together, and it is good that they have assumed some responsibility for complying with this fragile agreement. That is especially important considering that the interim government in Kiev lacks full control over the situation in the country.

At the same time, though, nobody should overestimate the significance of the Geneva agreement. The most alarming thing is that it took participants eight hours of intensive negotiations to formulate the text of what is essentially just a standard truce. Rumors even flew during the talks that the process might break down at any moment.

The finished document calls for disarming all militant groups and for militants to vacate the buildings they seized, while offering amnesty for rebels, except those who committed capital crimes. The agreement also calls for a "national dialogue" but fails to spell out who would participate in such a dialogue and what results it should produce. Neither does the document refer in any way to the presidential election slated for May 25 or to the possibility of canceling or rescheduling that election.

The document also fails to stipulate if constitutional reforms that will introduce elements of federalism and weaken the powers of the president should precede or follow the election and whether a referendum on those reforms will be held. Lavrov left the Geneva talks claiming that constitutional reform in Ukraine is inevitable. But his counterpart, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, said nothing to indicate that Washington shared that view.

One other problem is that the word "federalism" — perhaps the largest issue of contention between Kiev and the militants in the eastern regions — does not even appear in the document. The participants simply deferred that issue, referring only vaguely to some indefinite process of "national dialogue." But I seriously doubt the effectiveness of such a dialogue unless the same international mediators who met in Geneva will accompany the process throughout. Even before the current crisis, the Ukrainian political elite were renowned for their inability to reach an agreement among themselves and their habit of breaking obligations they had only just assumed.

Kerry said if Moscow did not take demonstrative steps to de-escalate the crisis by the weekend, Washington would impose a new round of sanctions. Therefore, whatever respite the Geneva agreement may have provided is doomed to be short-lived. Kerry's statement once again confirmed the U.S. position that the rebels in Ukraine's south and east are nothing more than Moscow's puppets, and that if the Kremlin would just stop meddling in those regions, the standoff would somehow dissolve.

But even if the pro-Russian militants really were receiving support from Moscow, it does not necessarily follow that they would stop protesting the moment they were told to do so. It would be just as unrealistic to imagine that Right Sector extremists would obey orders from the authorities in Kiev. The people occupying administrative building in eastern Ukraine have already declared that they will not leave until extremists leave the Maidan in Kiev and release buildings they have seized.

Obviously, it will be very difficult to disarm militant groups anywhere in the country. Only an outside force acting on behalf of the EU, U.S. and Russia would have the ability of forcing all militias to disarm. But the trust between Russia and the West has completely broken down, making such a cooperative arrangement all but impossible. This distrust is particularly acute over the issue of Ukraine, which has brought a new cold war right up to Russia's borders.

It seems that the crisis in Ukraine will have to get much worse before Washington and Moscow will understand that the only way to resolve the conflict is by cooperating and making concessions to each other. For now, though, it seems that Russia is holding its ground and simply waiting complacently to get slapped with additional sanctions.

The Geneva agreement might have offerred a slight respite, but it did not generate serious hopes for resolving the crisis in Ukraine.
Hon Sir,

In my view, reference to Chechnya, Syria etc. and dragging in religion simply muddies the waters. Main issue here is whether annexing of Crimea by Russia was legal; what caused it and what could be the future ramifications of an act of changing international borders in the 21st century

Regardless of what we want or would like; we are what history made us. For example despite the fact that Scotland & England were united thru an act of parliament in 1603 and merged in 1707, I can vouch that during my stay in Glasgow back in 1966, England was still referred to as “old enemy” by the Scots and there is going to be a referendum on September 18, 2014 wherein Scots will decide whether they wish to remain in the Union or not.

It is however your privilege to choose to see the events from whichever end of the telescope you prefer. I am only trying to rationalize the reasons as to why Crimean people and a section of Ukrainian population suddenly start rebelling against an incumbent government? I also consider referendum by the Crimean people as an expression of their democratic right.

I live in the UK and hence am deeply concerned with the economic well-being of UK & the European Union that are still in the middle of a long recession. Any hostilities or tension with the Russian Federation would be bad for the economic well-being of ordinary residents of Europe. It would raise gas prices if nothing else.

This may be construed as selfish but anyone who reads my posts will know that I am a middle of the road liberal and I stand by my statement “I sincerely hope that better sense prevails and the matter is resolved thru negotiations”. I would also not take a Moscow News paper headline as expressing Putin's view point; as I am sure most Americans don't consider opinions expressed in the Fox News as official White House policies.

I am not taking sides as both all the stake holders in this dispute are playing 'Realpolitik'. I have no need to see an “Oculist” as you suggested. You may call me myopic and an isolationist if it pleases you. However no need to be unpleasant about it. Let us agree to disagree.
 
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Matthew Bodner - US News

Russia has had two Heavenly warning now. Does Russia want more?

US NEWS & WORLD REPORT MAGAZINE: Meteor Illuminates Night Sky Over Murmansk Region (Video)
A Russian astronomer has said that a shimmering fireball that illuminated the night sky over the northern Murmansk region last week was "a very bright meteor."

Having watched footage of the incident on YouTube, Sergei Smirnov, chief researcher at the Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory near St. Petersburg, couldn't determine the exact altitude and trajectory of the fireball, but said that it was traveling "many tens of kilometers" above the ground.

Because the object's flight "ended in combustion" and not in a collision with the Earth, it must be classified as a meteor, not a meteorite, Smirnov said, Interfax reported Monday.

It was spotted on a car's dashboard camera at 2 a.m. on Friday, and its bright blue light was seen all across the Kola Peninsula.

Dashcam footage of the meteor hurtling across the sky in northern Russia. (9plus0 / YouTube)
Astronomers have linked the "fireball's" appearance to a meteor cloud that the Earth started to travel through a few days ago.

The Earth regularly encounters these clouds without harm, because many of the rocks are too small to survive the heat of entering the atmosphere — resulting in meteor showers.

"Meteor clouds create meteor showers, 20-25 flashes in the sky over the course of several hours. Usually they are not bright, but this object was larger," Smirnov said.

Despite Smirnov's contention that the rock disintegrated before it hit the ground, a search party is being readied to look for an impact site, which the participants believe could be somewhere in the Apatitsko-Kirovsky district.

Last year a meteor entered the Earth's atmosphere at a speed of 40,000 miles per hour and exploded high above the Russian city of Chelyabinsk with the force of 500,000 tons of TNT — the size of a small nuclear bomb.

More than 1,500 people were injured, mainly by broken glass, when it crashed to Earth.

Following the incident, the Federal Space Agency, or Roscosmos, proposed an international cooperative asteroid defense project.


GOOD HEAVENS!!!! What on Earth have the Heavens got to do with Egotistic men sitting in washington and Moscow? :azn:
 
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Hon Sir,

In my view, reference to Chechnya, Syria etc. and dragging in religion simply muddies the waters. Main issue here is whether annexing of Crimea by Russia was legal; what caused it and what could be the future ramifications of an act of changing international borders in the 21st century

Regardless of what we want or would like; we are what history made us. For example despite the fact that Scotland & England were united thru an act of parliament in 1603 and merged in 1707, I can vouch that during my stay in Glasgow back in 1966, England was still referred to as “old enemy” by the Scots and there is going to be a referendum on September 18, 2014 wherein Scots will decide whether they wish to remain in the Union or not.

It is however your privilege to choose to see the events from whichever end of the telescope you prefer. I am only trying to rationalize the reasons as to why Crimean people and a section of Ukrainian population suddenly start rebelling against an incumbent government? I also consider referendum by the Crimean people as an expression of their democratic right.

I live in the UK and hence am deeply concerned with the economic well-being of UK & the European Union that are still in the middle of a long recession. Any hostilities or tension with the Russian Federation would be bad for the economic well-being of ordinary residents of Europe. It would raise gas prices if nothing else.

This may be construed as selfish but anyone who reads my posts will know that I am a middle of the road liberal and I stand by my statement “I sincerely hope that better sense prevails and the matter is resolved thru negotiations”. I would also not take a Moscow News paper headline as expressing Putin's view point; as I am sure most Americans don't consider opinions expressed in the Fox News as official White House policies.

I am not taking sides as all the stake holders in this dispute are playing 'Realpolitik'. I have no need to see an “Oculist” as you suggested. You may call me myopic and an isolationist if it pleases you. However no need to be unpleasant about it. Let us agree to disagree.

@niaz sahab;
Well said........this game being played out in Ukraine and the Crimean Peninsula is just another iteration of the "Games that Super-Powers play". The kind of games that were played right through the years of the "Cold War" by two groups of Egotistic Madmen and which wreaked untold havoc in different parts of the World. And the height of that was; that some people even invoked "Divine Inspiration" to justify their actions with loose talk of Evil Empires and Satanic Rulers and what not. All of the usual Religious Crap that present day Religious Extremists keep telling us off and on. Then some idiotic interpretation of "Divine Retribution" or similarly imbecilic spin is sought to be even given to Natural Phenomenon. LOLL

As you have rightly averred, both sides in this cynical game being played out; have been the scourge of Humankind over the years time and again; but will our dear colleague @American Eagle be able to fathom and acknowledge that fact? Not that it will make any difference to me anyway if does or does'nt.
 
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Guys, there is a lack of willingness worldwide thus far to "toughly" enforce UN Treaty and International Law standards, together with existing government of Ukraine right to govern without invasion with Spetznatz troops who in turn recruit and lead some locals in using street violence to seek undemocratic change in who governs.

This was the case when the USSR was in it's last years. It is my opinion that a combination of huge USSR draftees losses in Afghanistan in the 1980s coupled with the horror of Chernobyl....all coupled with a failed "barter" system of international trade that caused over 50 years the ultimate collapse of the USSR.

Natural disasters, as evidence by meteor strike with modern day equivalent impact of a small nuclear device, all these factors today, post USSR, are of use in the psychological warfare all nations in Europe are now up against.

But, don't misunderstand. It is a sharp wrong for any to think "might makes right" as we had with Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin.

It takes "strength" harnessed and controlled with a democratic governance mechanism to run the machinery of a free thinking, free trade, freedom of movement, and above all, freedom for and of all peace-practicing religions.

You have freely chosen to ignore international lawlessness when you posit "was the law broken when Russia led and organized insurrections took over Crimea and now other Eastern Ukraine provinces, cities, and towns. To me, that leaves you out of effective solutions since you don't recognize simple right vs. wrong as now exists in Ukraine.

Putin has the self exiled ex-leader of Ukraine now as his RUSSIAN special assistant on Ukranian matters. Other Ukranian political parties and the free world were ready to work with him to resolve Ukranian internal riots and such and he simply fled to Russia rather than be part of a transition team he had just agreed to be part of!

Problem for Russia is they have scaled back their military and have very small ground forces both in European and Asiatic parts of Russia with which either to defend their own borders or with which to "invade" by any definition you choose.

Russia can redeem itself if Mr. Putin will turn around and offer to lease from the nation of Ukraine Crimea and otherwise withdraw from invaded provinces and cities/towns of Ukraine. Problem now is Putin does not have a large enough, loyal enough military of his own in Russia today to dependably and forcefully impose his will much longer.

The Russian Duma to date might better be described as "the House of Jokers and Thugs."

Russia could do with a political referendum and government housecleaning of it's own. Russia is multi-ethnic, too.
 
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