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Europe is already in the arms of the USA
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Before joining the Quad Indians need to use the whitening cream so they don't feel left out.Putin announced this even as Indian defence secretary was in Russia begging Putin to fast track military equipment.
Russia was angry that India was joining the Quad.
All indications are that Putin is cancelling the yearly summit with India.
Amid border tensions with China, Defence Secretary Ajay Kumar leaves for Moscow ahead of India-US meeting
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Updated Oct 19, 2020 | 09:30 IST
According to the sources, the Defence Secretary's Russia visit is to sort out the minor irritants in various ongoing defence-related projects.
Defence Secretary | Photo Credit: PTI
New Delhi: Ahead of two-plus-two dialogue between India and the United States, Secretary of Defence Ajay Kumar on Monday left for Moscow to ensure the progress of new projects. According to the sources, the visit is to sort out the minor irritants in various ongoing projects.
About 60 to 70 per cent of the weapons the armed forces use is Russian. India still uses a lot of Russian weapons, including fighter aircraft like the Sukhoi-30, the MiG-29 and transport planes like the Il-76, Kilo-class conventional and Akula class nuclear submarines and the T-72 and T-90 tanks and BMP infantry combat vehicles.
Considering the border tensions with China along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in eastern Ladakh, they require huge amounts of spares and the possibility of easy access to them and also, their manufacture in India may be discussed, reports Times Now's Srinjoy Chowdhury.
Amid LAC standoff, 8th round of India-China talks this week, 1st since change of command at HQ 14 Corps
EAM Jaishankar and Chinese FM Wang Yi meet in Moscow amid fierce India-China border standoff near Ladakh
Russian President Vladimir Putin expected to visit India for bilateral summit in October, says MEA
Indian and Chinese armies have been locked in a bitter standoff in multiple locations in eastern Ladakh since mid-May. Both countries have since stepped up monitoring of their largely unsettled 3,488 km (2,167 miles) border.
It is to be noted Russian President Vladimir Putin is expected to visit New Delhi later this year. The visit initially planned for mid-September has been delayed due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic.
India, US ready to sign BECA
India and the United States are ready to sign the BECA or Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geospatial Cooperation, the final "strategic" agreement that will lead to closer ties between the armed forces of the two countries.
An announcement will be made during the two-plus-two meeting on 26-27 October in New Delhi. Already the two countries have activated all the three foundational agreements with both using each other’s designated military facilities for refuelling and replenishment.
During the two-plus-two, US deputy secretary of state Stephen Beigun and US defence secretary Mark Esper will meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi as well as his National Security Advisor Ajit Doval.
Amid border tensions with China, Defence Secretary Ajay Kumar leaves for Moscow ahead of India-US meeting
According to the sources, the Defence Secretary's Russia visit is to sort out the minor irritants in various ongoing defence related projects.www.timesnownews.com
Russia-China-Pakistan-North Korea-Turkiye-Iran are forming the anti US alliance.
Black sheep of Asia.
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India has a tough hand to play.
For next two years at least it cannot afford big increases in defence spending due to Covid/Economy.
It cannot afford to re-equip all it's military with high end weaponry, even countries with bigger budgets and small armies like the UK cannot afford to.
It is dependent on Russia for 70% of it's equipment, but more importantly it is the vital sharp end equipment like tanks, fighter plans and ships that are mainly Russian. US kit like Chinook, C-17 and the like is support stuff.
India's own domestic attempts are very hit and miss (mostly miss) and cannot provide it's forces with high end technology at a large scale.
Russia and China and US all know this. Russia will know continue to milk the Indian defence budget dry in terms of over charging for things like spares, upgrades, tooling, defence factories.
US will push for big ticket sales that India cannot afford now
All China has to do is carry in doing what it has done for last 20 years. Carry in modernising it's military at a fast pace, test new weapons, supply Pakistan with the best it can.
By 2030 this game will be over. China and US will be peers or near peers in terms of capability. Pakistan forces will have benefited greatly from from induction of very modern Chinese platforms AT SCALE.
Indian forces will be left with a mix of Russian/European/US equipment, much of it with overlapping uses and great variety. This will count as another massive drain on it's defence budget.
A few crazy examples
Anti tank missiles from - Israel, Russia, France, India
Air to air missiles from - Israel, Russia, France, India, UK/US
Fighter jets - By 2030 - SU-30, Rafale, Mirage 2000, Jaguar, MIG-29, LCA/Tejas, 6 DIFFERENT TYPES!!!!
This will not just be a maintenence nightmare but lack of standardisation will be very expensive. None of the above types share any radar or engine in common. 6 different sets of spares, 6 different engines, 6 different radars. As we also know, squadron numbers are decreasing massively too.
No compare to PAF. Once Mirage gone by 2030 essentially just 3 sets of equipment. F-7 (second line and essentially just advanced training function anyway). Basically frontline (till arrival of AZM), will be JF-17 Block III and F-16.
One of these lands at any air force base in Pakistan chances are we will have some spares, trained maintenence crews to hand. At least 3 bases will even have missiles for F-16s, all will have capability to support JF-17. Both in peace and war this is invaluable. All will be networked with each other.
To add to this, Army pensions will continue to take up a larger and larger share of the defence budget, especially as life expectancies increase.
China does not even see India as a peer now, imagine by 2030 what the Chinese Armed Forces will be like!?
J-10Cs, J-35s, J-20s all in large numbers, I have not even mentioned the large number of advanced Flanker variants.
All Chinese equipment will share much in common just main Russian/Chinese engines, radars, missiles.
Not only will they have high quality AT SCALE but cost per plane/squadron etc will be much lower than India's due to very high level of standardisation.
This is the level of s**t India will find itself in 10 years from now......
For next two years at least it cannot afford big increases in defence spending due to Covid/Economy.
It cannot afford to re-equip all it's military with high end weaponry, even countries with bigger budgets and small armies like the UK cannot afford to.
It is dependent on Russia for 70% of it's equipment, but more importantly it is the vital sharp end equipment like tanks, fighter plans and ships that are mainly Russian. US kit like Chinook, C-17 and the like is support stuff.
India's own domestic attempts are very hit and miss (mostly miss) and cannot provide it's forces with high end technology at a large scale.
Russia and China and US all know this. Russia will know continue to milk the Indian defence budget dry in terms of over charging for things like spares, upgrades, tooling, defence factories.
US will push for big ticket sales that India cannot afford now
All China has to do is carry in doing what it has done for last 20 years. Carry in modernising it's military at a fast pace, test new weapons, supply Pakistan with the best it can.
By 2030 this game will be over. China and US will be peers or near peers in terms of capability. Pakistan forces will have benefited greatly from from induction of very modern Chinese platforms AT SCALE.
Indian forces will be left with a mix of Russian/European/US equipment, much of it with overlapping uses and great variety. This will count as another massive drain on it's defence budget.
A few crazy examples
Anti tank missiles from - Israel, Russia, France, India
Air to air missiles from - Israel, Russia, France, India, UK/US
Fighter jets - By 2030 - SU-30, Rafale, Mirage 2000, Jaguar, MIG-29, LCA/Tejas, 6 DIFFERENT TYPES!!!!
This will not just be a maintenence nightmare but lack of standardisation will be very expensive. None of the above types share any radar or engine in common. 6 different sets of spares, 6 different engines, 6 different radars. As we also know, squadron numbers are decreasing massively too.
No compare to PAF. Once Mirage gone by 2030 essentially just 3 sets of equipment. F-7 (second line and essentially just advanced training function anyway). Basically frontline (till arrival of AZM), will be JF-17 Block III and F-16.
One of these lands at any air force base in Pakistan chances are we will have some spares, trained maintenence crews to hand. At least 3 bases will even have missiles for F-16s, all will have capability to support JF-17. Both in peace and war this is invaluable. All will be networked with each other.
To add to this, Army pensions will continue to take up a larger and larger share of the defence budget, especially as life expectancies increase.
China does not even see India as a peer now, imagine by 2030 what the Chinese Armed Forces will be like!?
J-10Cs, J-35s, J-20s all in large numbers, I have not even mentioned the large number of advanced Flanker variants.
All Chinese equipment will share much in common just main Russian/Chinese engines, radars, missiles.
Not only will they have high quality AT SCALE but cost per plane/squadron etc will be much lower than India's due to very high level of standardisation.
This is the level of s**t India will find itself in 10 years from now......
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China Calls Russia's Talk of Possible Military Alliance 'Positive,' with 'No Limit' to Their Ties - Newsweek
Local : 2020-10-24(Saturday) 00:12:24
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Local : 2020-10-24(Saturday) 00:12:24
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Putin isn't the boss of china isn't it?
U need two hands to clap
Did china make any statement in response?? Tag me when atleast china gives a reply
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Putin wouldn't make such statement if no prior discussions with China over it were ever made with the Chinese counterparts.
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From a strategic perspective, it would be a natural selection when other countries join this alliance. Countries such as Iran and Pakistan. The objective ought to be to not only exhibit military power, but also to push off the cliff, any and all zionist-western (america, britain, france, netherlands, australia, canada and etc) influence in Africa, Asia and Latin America. To build trade economic alliances which guaranteed independence from zionist-western apparatus such Swift International Payment System, World Bank, International Monetary Fund, Petrodollar and the Credit Rating Agencies. By cutting off the snake's head and providing an alternative eco-system, more and more countries will join the Sino-Russian sphere. Digital currency Yuan or Rubles, Gold and Silver should be adopted by these countries. Making it impossible for the zionist-west to interfere or attempt to sabotage it.
With that done, you can bet your life that the zionist controlled west will seek out WW3. Because these parasitic scum cannot exist in a world where their hegemony is crushed.
Got any facts to back up your moronic claim?
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Super analysis.
There are many ways Russia can sabotage Indian capabilities on existing projects
1) Delay delivery (example - S-400 deal)
2) Provide inadequate training (example - nuke subs)
3) Provide low quality equipment and spares (Fighters, choppers, tanks etc.)
Russia can still make money from India.
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Russia cares about China. India is nobody. No one cares. Even Nepal does not care about India.
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This is garbage thread, all speculation. Just like 99.99% of other threads around. But it will make Pakistani happy to live in lala land. Good luck .
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Garbage thread you still desperately feel the urge to read and contribute too. Maybe it hit a raw nerve?
From all the anti-Indian posts on PDF you don't get the feeling
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