Purana PPP = Naya PTI (Horrible decline of PTI & Imran Khan)

[rockstar08]

I did not.

you are the one giving explanations.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Since PPP has lost its credibility in Punjab so these opportunists made good decision to join PTI as competition is now between PTI and PML N in Punjab.

Question of OP is

Is naya Pakistan possible with purana Lotaz? You said they were all good people left in PPP so did they brought their character certificate before joining PTI? Well we are not sure who else will join PTI tomorrow

One needs to understand the dynamics of politics in Pakistan. Most of the people here on this forum do not understand the dynamics of politics.

In Punjab, you have a Rural and Urban Vote bank. In Rural Punjab, Yes Party affiliation and ideology does play a role but majority of the vote-bank is reserved by Biradri and Electables. No matter what PTI does, it cannot gain the rural vote in Rural Punjab unless it has the electables with them. This is why PTI is taking electables into their party because they need them to win the Rural Vote.

If you look at Urban Punjab PTI hasn't taken any lotas. They have largely relied on their own party workers and have usually brought new faces. They are not taking any members from other parties. Unfortunately, these are the dynamics of Politics in Punjab and PTI has learned this the hard way. But if you look at KPK, Politics in KPK is a lot more dynamic than it is in other parts of Pakistan. If PTI wants to win Punjab, it needs to win the Rural Heartland and for that they need the electables. Bitter Truth

 

[Sipahi]

I did not.

you are the one giving explanations.



empty statement.
Any and every party member from around the world can make the same statement and yet it means nothing.

just a slogan.

like 35 punture

Empty or full ... You are not the judge here... Are you ??

The peoples coming in has any designation in the party ?? Can they manipulate party decision. They are just come in ... Let them work then decide...

By the Hamza Sugar mills ki zameen ka kya scene hai corroupt peoples will remain corroupt... Atleast IK is not a financially corroupt person ... He did mistakes politically .... Kis ne ni ki

 

[Gazi]

If I say I am the supporter and voter of PTI and I own PTI so I am PTI.

Top leadership of any other party is responsible of the direction it chose... Peoples coming in can't decide where the party will go in coming years, as we have already seen some joined PTI and left after only a year example... Laghari brothers.

Qualities are like water ... Ooper se neeche aati hain... Jis party ka leader zardari ya nawaz sharif jese proven money launder aur corroupt hon un k neeche agar aap Muttaqi Parhezgar logon ki fouj b laga do tou nikkamma pan wahin ka wahin rahe ga.

Hope you are clear now.

Supporting a Party doesnt mean it fulfills all the sentiments rather its all about how well they Maneuver them by Political Statements like PTI played Dharna Drama for 120 days and the issue was Electoral Reform and Judicial Commission while people supported them like they were struggling for Basic Needs.

That is indeed true that Top Level are responsible for Choosing Directions of a Party but when you got lot of Lotas at the tope level the directions wont be in favor of Masses rather it would be in Favor of Electables who could Reap more Benefit from it without getting their Credibility Hurt in the Process so in other words these people would lok after their Own Political Interest first then think about Party Interests that is why PTI had to move back to Parliament and also Accepted Salaries of their Absence from the Parliament they use to call illegitimate.

Qualities ka flow Parties pay depend karta hai yahan Pakistan mai kuch aisi bhi Parties hain jahan Qualities ka FLow nichay say Uper hai zaroori nahi k sirf Quality Uper say Nichay hi jai. Jahan pay Workers ki koi Value nahi hoti wahan flow Uper say Nichay hota hai aur jahan Workers ko Value Milti hai wahan nichay say uper hota hai.

 

[FaujHistorian]

... He did mistakes politically .... Kis ne ni ki

Tomorrow the likes of you will say.

PTI did mistakes and corruption
Kis ne nahi ki.

That my bhai jaan, is empty slogan at best, and downright criminal at its worst.

One needs to understand the dynamics of politics in Pakistan. Most of the people here on this forum do not understand the dynamics of politics.

This is what we have been telling to PITians when they danced around singing songs.

Funny now you turn around and tell us the same thing?

Ultay baans braili ko

hahahah

 

[Sipahi]

Tomorrow the likes of you will say.

PTI did mistakes and corruption
Kis ne nahi ki.

That my bhai jaan, is empty slogan at best, and downright criminal at its worst.



This is what we have been telling to PITians when they danced around singing songs.

Funny now you turn around and tell us the same thing?

Ultay baans braili ko

hahahah

you both guys are lol

acha chalo aap batao kis ko support krna chahiye ??

 

[FaujHistorian]

you both guys are lol

acha chalo aap batao kis ko support krna chahiye ??

Do not support the party by slogans on ethnicity or region.

When someone comes to you for a vote, tell them what their history is for development of your city, region.

What is their contribution for schools and jobs
roads and cleanliness.

Support individuals and not slogan parties.

Hope this explains.

 

[Imran Khan]

Imran bhai how did you managed to do that .... Hamain bhi koi formula bata dain

 

[mikkix]

Pti and ik doing right thing to take all clean reputable peoples. Its Pakistan reality.
Pakistan army was behind the mess of electables when zia ul haq started elction on non party basis in 1985 and after that ethnic, linguistic, regional, bradarism politics was started. And punjab is full of that.
politics of sindh and kpk are same as of punjab.
baluchistan politics is based on army. Army giving powers In baluchistan when they approved who is loyal to state and interesting thing is army approval of loyalty depends on the head of army.
no new person can win election on party basis. Election 2013 is the good example where ik put new people and they demolished.
Most of people here are illiterate of political dimensions of pakistan so they talk non sense.

 

[Sipahi]

Do not support the party by slogans on ethnicity or region.

When someone comes to you for a vote, tell them what their history is for development of your city, region.

What is their contribution for schools and jobs
roads and cleanliness.

Support individuals and not slogan parties.

Hope this explains.

If I follow your theory ... I might pick a gun to blow a head of All poltician as they all looted my city's wealth.

What Karachi didn't do for every Pakistani, but in the end Lahore is getting twice then Karachi what a joke....

 

[[Bregs]]

wow very innovating technique, whats written in urdu ?

 

[Imran Khan]

wow very innovating technique, whats written in urdu ?

its wrrite

main ne insaanoo se inspired hona chor diya hai
kiyoo ke wo wesy nhi hoty jesy nazer aty hain

 

[[Bregs]]

its wrrite

main ne insaanoo se inspired hona chor diya hai
kiyoo ke wo wesy nhi hoty jesy nazer aty hain

wah bahut khoob.

Imran khan is not successful as a politician it shows in this thread, its sad though th people like him needs to succeed in politics to give people alternative from regular parties

 

[FaujHistorian]

If I follow your theory ... I might pick a gun to blow a head of All poltician as they all looted my city's wealth....

Don't be a gangster. Please.

What Karachi didn't do for every Pakistani, but in the end Lahore is getting twice then Karachi what a joke....

Karachi is a port, and thus "Collects" taxes on behalf of the rest of the country.

In return, it got max number of hospitals, universities, schools, and jobs.

The reason we didn't develop, because we supported parties based on ethnic and religious lines.
--- Thus we got more Mohajirism, Sindhism, and Islamism.

Had we supported parties based on development,
--- We would have seen development.


Punjab parties know, that they must show something postive at least in Lahore.

When Shahbaz Sharif was kicked out of country by Mush,

Who came to power there?

you guess it! PML-Q

And guess what PML-Q had to to do huge amount of development

Today everyone in Punjab knows that they must show some progress so the politicians show projects.

In Punjab all parties including PML-ABCDEFG, PTI, PPP, JI all have EQUAL chances of winning.

Punjabis are supporting ALL parties.

In Sindh, we are blind followers. year after year we support ethnic gods aka Tafu mota chor and Bhutto-Zardari clan

MQM seats are secure not because of development, but due to Mohajirism.

So Karachi suffers
While Lahore develops.

 

[mikkix]

Samsan bukhari is an excellent politician.
those who criticizing pti are fools unfortunately.
Samsan contested election from NA - 142. Okara 2.
There are two to three groups there AND They won election since many years. Pti nominate educaTed and new guy their and he grabbed 10 k votes only.
the reason why lost beacuse of bradirism and dhara bandi.
now pakistan has parliamentary system where each seat counts so any party who wants to win election has to take these notables. Every constituency has two to three notables so you have to choose from one of them.
now tell me what party has to do for winning election if they want to rule centre.
or if I agree with most of you so a good party should nominate a clean and new person whether he loose or not.
so you want from good party to loose election due to their good person and give chance to pmln and ppp through these electables.
so much of your knowledge.