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Punjab and the Rebellion of 1857

For a long time I was under the impression that during the rebellion of 1857 in India, Punjab remained totally peaceful and there was no disturbance at all. However, as I read more about this event and especially when I focused on Punjab I realized that I was only partially correct. It is true that Punjab was mostly peaceful and cooperating with the British Raj. But there was widespread disaffection among the units of Bengal Army, which led to many tragic events. Even among the civilians some fierce resistance was shown at a few places.

I shall start from the civilian resistance to the British Raj. Here I found only two incidents. One in the Gogera district led by Rai Ahmad Khan Kharal, and the second to a more limited scale in the Murree hills. I already have written a post on the same blog on Rai Ahmad Khan Kharal. While searching about Rai Ahmad Kharal I found many little pieces of information here and there on the net.But the best was a research paper by Turab ul Hassan Sargana, titled Gugera Movement 1857: Nature, Extent and Significance.



Tomb of Rai Ahmad Khan Kharal (31° 04' 28.50" N, 73° 20' 01.70" E)

Gugera Movement 1857: Nature, Extent and Significance

Turab-ul-Hassan Sargana

The Gugera uprising was the most widespread and serious rising within the borders of the Punjab and or a while threatened the British fortunes in that quarter. It quickly engulfed the important stations of Kamalia, Pindi Sheikh Musa, Syedwala, Harrappa, Chichawatni, Tulumba, Serai Sidhu, Shorkot, Jamlera, Sahooka, Kaboola and Pakpattan. The numerical strength of the freedom-fighters can be noted by report of R.C. Temple, secretary to Chief Commissioner, according to which an official of the postal department informed the Chief Commissioner that the numbers of the freedom fighters amounted to exactly 125000 men. Elphinstone the officiating Deputy Commissioner of Gugera confirmed it by saying that all the native accounts agreed that the whole country as far as Tulumba, in the Multan District was in open insurrection. While the Census Report of 1855 tells us that the population of Gugera District was 3,08,020 and of the Multan division was 9,71,175. By this one can well imagine what a large number of people rose against the British in this area. Popularity of this movement can also be judged by this that the Muslim women were also sighted in action, “moving along the tops of the houses with their skirts stretched out, so as to cover the matchlock-men as they crept about from point to point.

The significance of Gugera uprising can be seen in the words of Cave-Browne who maintained that the crisis during these days of September until the fall of Delhi was even greater and of more consequences for British survival than that marking the months of May and June.

Gugera, now a town in District Okara in the Punjab Province, was a district of Multan Division in 1857. It was given the status of district by the British East India Company Government in 1852, three years after the annexation of the Punjab. It was situated on the south bank of the River Ravi and upon the old military road from Lahore to Multan, 40 kilometers to the North-East of the present station Sahiwal1 At Gugera, local tribes, Kharrals, Wuttoos, Fatianas, Qureshis, Kathias, Wehniwals Mardanas, Tarhanas and Baghelas under the leadership of Ahmad Khan Kharral rose up against the British on September 17, 1857 but before this three important events had been happened which set the mind of the tribes to rise.

First, on July 8, 1857, at the village of Lukhoke in the Pakpattan tehsil the people of Joiya tribe refused to pay the land revenue to the British authorities. The British attacked the village, and a large number of people were fined and imprisoned in the Gugera jail.Secondly, on July 26, 1857 the prisoners in the Gugera jail made a desperate attempt to affect their escape during the night. In this attempt, 17 prisoners were shot in the fray, 33 wounded and 18 succeeded to escape. According to native accounts, about 145 prisoners were killed and it is also said that more than 100 British or native soldiers were also killed in this encounter. Another important event was that at the end of May, 1857 news of the uprising of the Hurriana Light Infantry and of the Irregular Cavalry stationed there reached Gugera. The British authorities of District Gugera decided to send a force there. According to folklore, at this occasion, Berkley, the Extra Assistant Commissioner of Gugera, asked Ahmad Khan Kharral to provide men and horses for this campaign but Kharral refused to do so. Here is a beautiful dialogue between Berkley and Ahmad Khan in this song.

The Englishman Berkley says, "Provide me mares, Rai Ahmad and I will secure a citation for you from London". Rai Ahmad says, “No one in his life ever shares wives, land and mares with others”. On the night of September 16, 1857, Sarfraz Khan Kharral of Kamalia, a rival of Ahmad Khan Kharral informed N.W. Elphinstone officiating Deputy Commissioner Gugera about the intended uprising of the tribes. As soon as Elphinstone got this information, he immediately sent Berkley with 20 horsemen to arrest Ahmad Khan Kharral but he failed to do so. Berkley burnt the town of Jhamra and returned with 20 prisoners and 700 cattle. On 20th September Elphinstone dispatched Lieutenant Chichester and Lieutenant Mitchel to attack the freedom-fighters who might have been assembled at Pindi Sheikh Musa and its suburbs. They found no freedom-fighters there, burnt the town of Pindi Shiekh Musa and returned. On 21st September, the British attacked Ahmad Khan Kharral and his companions at a place
Gishkowree. In this battle 14 or 15 horsemen of the British were killed but they succeeded to martyr Ahmad Khan Kharral and Sarung, the Chief of the Bege Ke Kharrals. Although British had to face severe loss in this expedition but it was an irreparable disaster to the freedom-fighters. The martyrdom of Ahmad Khan Kharral created a feeling of revenge in the people of whole area. On 22nd September, the very next day of martyrdom of Ahmad Khan Kharral, the men of Fatiana, Tarhana and Mardana tribes led by their chiefs Bahawal, Salabat and Walidad respectively assesmbled and attacked Berkley and his men. Berkley was killed along with 50 men of his detachment. According to British records as well as native accounts, the first fatal blow was struck by Murad Fatiana. In October, the British gathered their all forces at Gugera. Reinforcements reached there from Lahore, Multan, Gujranwala, Jhang and Leiah. Commissioner Lahore A.A. Roberts and Commissioner Multan Major G.W. Hamilton arrived Gugera with their allies. Among them prominent were Makhdoom Shah Mahmud Qureshi of Multan Mustafa Khan Khakwani, Sadik Muhammad Khan Badozai, the Chiefs of the Lungrial clan, Bahawal and Machhia, Sarfraz Khan Kharral of Kamalia, Ziadat Khan Daha of Khanewal and his son, Dhara Sing Nakai of Gugera, Khair-ud-Din Khan of Kasur, Bawa Khem Singh Bedi of Rawalpindi, Sardar Nihal Singh of Rawalpindi, Jeevay Khan Araeen of Village Akbar (now in district Sahiwal) and Bawa Hardit Singh of Rawalpindi.

On the contrary, the freedom-fighters could not get help from anywhere. Delhi had been re-captured by the British on September 20, 1857. As the leaders of the freedom-fighters were fully conscious that their warfare could not equal that of the government, therefore, they requested Nawab of Bahawalpur to come forward but he refused to help them. Only due to their enthusiasm, bravery and power of faith they succeeded to continue their struggle even till January 1858. At last some of them surrendered and the Gugera uprising was crushed by the British. According to native accounts hundreds were blown from canons and a number of people were imprisoned for life. A countless number of people were sent to Andaman Islands popularly known as “Kala Pani” or Black Water. Among them who were sent to Andaman or Kala Pani, prominent were Bahawal Fatiana, Murad Fatiana, Mokha Wehniwal, Majhi Bushaira Kharral, Lal son of Ghazi Kathia, Muhammad Yar Mardana, Rehmat Khan, Kada Mardana, Walidad Mardana, Chief of his tribe and Nadir Shah Qureshi of Pindi Sheikh Musa.

The Gugera Movement was the most widespread and serious uprising within the borders of the Punjab, and for a while, threatened the foundation of the British rule in the region. It started from Jhamra and Gugera and quickly engulfed the important stations of Kamalia, Pindi Sheikh Musa, Saiyyidwala, Harappa, Chichawatni, Tulumba, Serai Sidhu, Shorkot, Jamlaira, Sahuka, Kabula and Pakpattan. The strength of the freedomfighters can be estimated from the report of R.C. Temple, Secretary to the Chief Commissioner, according to which a Muslim official of the postal department informed the Chief Commissioner that the numbers of the freedom-fighters amounted to exactly 1,25,000 men. The statement of Elphinstone, the Officiating Deputy Commissioner of Gugera, also confirms the strength of the freedom-fighters that the whole country as far as Tulumba, in District Multan, was in open insurrection. While the Census Report of 1855 tells us that the population of Gugera District was 3,08,020 and of the Multan division was 9,71,175. By this one can imagine that what a large number of people rose against the British in this area. The popularity of this Movement can be judged by the fact that even the Muslim women were also sighted in action, “moving along the tops of the houses with their skirts stretched out, so as to cover the matchlockmen as they crept about from point to point”. Reinforcements for the British were rushed from all possible quarters, i.e. Jhang, Leiah, and Gujranwala and repeatedly from Lahore and Multan. Still the freedom-fighters did not give up, and even the fall of Delhi failed to discourage them. Twice the freedom-fighters succeeded in winning over the control of the town of Kamalia, but the British again occupied it. Leaders of the Gugera Movement were in close contact with the freedom-fighters of Delhi and Hansi, and on September 17, 1857, when the fierce and heroic defence of Delhi reached its peak, the Movement began. This critical situation is described by Cave-Browne, who testifies the deep anxiety among the British officers in Lahore after their communication with Multan had been cut off, and news came in that “the whole of the Gugera District was in arms”. John Lawrence was at Lahore at that time. He fully appreciated the momentousness of the danger. In the words of Cave-Browne, “[t]hough he had risked everything for Delhi, and Delhi had now fallen, all might still be lost if that spirit of unrest which was astir throughout the Punjab were once allowed to gain head”.

The Provincial Government deliberately underrated the Gugera Movement by asserting that it was not dangerous but difficult to be suppressed. On the contrary, Cave-Browne maintained that the crisis during these days of September until the fall of Delhi was even greater and of more consequences for the British survival than that marking the months of May and June. Ahmad Khan Kharral, the mastermind behind this Movement, was reported to have been in constant communication with the freedom-fighters of Delhi and Hansi, and with the Mughal Emperor himself. He publically renounced his allegiance to the British and claimed to fight under the orders of Emperor Bahadur Shah. Other Muslim Chiefs who participated in the Gugera Movement included several leaders, like Nadir Shah Qureshi of Pindi Sheikh Musa, Walidad of Mardana Clan, Salabat of Tarhana Clan, Mokha of Vehniwal Clan, Bahlak Wuttoo of Wuttoo Clan, Mehr Bahawal and Mehr Murad of Fatiana Clan, and Muhamand Khan of Kathia Clan.

The British authors have tried to devalue this movement, and defame its leaders by calling them cattle-lifters and thieves. However, the historical record does not verify this assertion. Even the opinion of some British officers contradicts it. Major F.C. Marsden, Deputy Commissioner Gugera, reported, “When I reached Gugera, I found it had been attacked by the powerful clan of Kharral under their old chief, Ahmad Khan, a wealthy, determined old patriarch”. According to Montgomery Gazetteer, Ahmad Khan Kharral was an exceptional leader with qualities of head and heart. He was courageous and bold and it was he who had roused the people. Even after a century and a half, he is remembered as a hero in the folklore and folk songs. A folk song or dhola testifies the above-mentioned statement of Marsden as such: He was chief of all clans. He had been resisting previous government. Ranjit Singh avoided confrontation with him and used to bypass his areas. Similarly, about another leader of the Gugera Movement, Mehr Bahawal Fatiana, Cave-Browne wrote that he was thegreatest man among them, the bravest and most influential. Another leader, Murad Fatiana has been tributed in a song in this way: There is no chief like Murad, although a number of people wear white dress. The people of Ravi remember him and wish that if once Murad, son of Dalail, could come back.

The people of the Punjab still have great respect and devotion for the leaders of resistance, and consider them as their hero. The objective of the leaders of the Gugera Movement can be clearly assessed from the letters written by these leaders. For instance, Bahawal Fatiana, Salabat Tarhana and Sarung Vehniwal wrote a letter to Woordie-Major Mir Barkat Ali of 1st Irregular Cavalry, requesting him to leave the British army and help them against the British. They offered him the leadership of their resistance movement, and they were ready to afford all expanses for the feeding all the men and horses, which he might bring along. They wanted to get his support for the independence of their country from the yoke of the British. Similarly, some leaders of the Gugera Movement named Muhamand Kathia, Nathu Kathia, Murad Kathia, Amir Kathia and Lal Kathia, Bahawal Fatiana and Salabat Tarhana wrote a letter to the Nawab of Bahawalpur, in which they wrote:

"Whereas intelligence was received to the effect that the King of Delhi was making war against the English Government for the sake of establishing Muslim regime under the Divine command, on hearing this happy news, all the Zamindars of this country rose up for struggle against the English authorities of the Multan Division. Accordingly, we are fighting against them upto the present time…if you are firm in the religion of Islam, we have about 18000 fighting men ready to serve wherever your highness may require them…we beg that, for the sake of God and his Prophet, your highness may lend your hand and assist us, for which you will be rewarded at the Day of Judgement".

If we analyze these letters impartially, the correct picture of the designs of the leaders of the Gugera Movement becomes clear. They were not thieves or cattle-lifters, rather they were rich and influential people of their areas, and the people had great love and respect for them. For example the Superintendent of Gugera jail had great devotion for Ahmad Khan, and allowed him to visit the jail inspite of strict restrictions by the British authorities. Similarly, the guard refused to give boats to Berkeley, Extra Assistant Commissioner, since Ahmad Khan had ordered him not to do so, and he considered Ahmad Khan as the king of the area. The above-mentioned letter of the freedom-fighters also reveals that they tried to invoke religious symbols for mustering the support of the Nawab of Bahawalpur. For them, revival of Islam meant restoration of political authority of the Muslims. In other words, for them revival or protection of Islam was not possible without establishing Muslim political authority. It was a pre-requisite for their desired protection of Islam. So they were ready to sacrifice their lives as well as their property for this purpose. In the end we may conclude that the leaders of the Gugera Movement were neither thieves nor cattle-lifters, they were popular leaders of the people in their respective areas in the Punjab, who led the resistance movement at various places in the province. They were neither rulers, nor sepoys, but were freedom-fighters. They had no personal grievances against the British. Neither their jagirs were confiscated, nor their pensions stopped. They fought for a noble cause which was to eliminate foreign rule from their homeland.

From
http://pakgeotagging.blogspot.com/2015/04/punjab-rebellion-of-1857.html?m=1

Of all the traitors & back stabber this Man's betrayal hurts me the most. Much as I am proud of our ancestors this man puts me to shame.

The cattle lifting & Robbery started after the end of the rebellion as majority of the lands in our ownership & control were taken away. I do not have first hand knowledge of the situation in south Punjab & our traditional stronghold of Ravi Doab but my own elders in Gujrat & Modern day Mandi Bahaudin & Sargodha had to resort to Cattle lifting & Robbery. Though jokingly our cousins from other Jutt clans always bring this issue up to tease us, the favourite line being 'Sahi ( kharral sub clan ) Raatan jaagan de changey ne' a vieled attempt at our past. My own ancestral village along with a few adjoining villages where we finally settled upon were 'Warraich' owned villages & lands which we encroached upon, further down in Mandi Bahauddin it was the same, Sargodha prior to canals was much less inhabited & jungle like which became a natural refuge, even after the district was organised & canal colonise set up we held on to some areas.
Another thing that I find interesting is the fact that compared to other Jutt tribes & clans of these 3 and other districts of the Punjab we have a far less participation/representation in the Armed forces to this day, which I believe is due to the British policy of rewarding & naturally trusting the more loyal communities & tribes of the land through recruitment.
Although we are better represented in police.

This isn't true, we all know about Dullah Bhatti but only recently I found out about Panah Bhatti who was from Gujranwala.

"In 1738, Panah Bhatti, a very powerful, Chieftain, had the whole of western Punjab, from Hasan Abdal, Attock, to the banks of the River Ravi, at his mercy, Gujranwala area, was to under his influence, but was defeated, by the Muslim Mughal Governors, of Lahore. Panah Bhatti, was captured and killed."

Or this

"After destroying the Fort of Lohgarh, the Nawab turned his attention to the supression of the recalcitrant Kharal, Gondal, Bhatti and Ranjha tribes of the bar area [modern Faisalabad and Sheikhupura districts of Pakistan.."

These 4 tribes were 95% or even more muslims in western punjab. I don't think gondal, ranjha and kharal sikh/hindus exist. But I agree overall punjabi muslims didn't had much problem with Mughals, maybe thats why Adina (Mughal governor even if punjabi) used to get support easily from them against Afghans or later on against Sikhs. More persian manuscripts needs to be translated to get clear picture of history of this region.

Gondals & Ranjhas have hardly any Sikhs or Hindus but we Kharrals have a couple of sub clans ( mostly Lakhera Kharrals )who stayed Hindus most of which we expelled from the Bar & Doab towards modern day Himachal Pardesh & Nepal. Apparently there is a sizeable kharral community in Nepal which descends from the ones expelled nearly a millennia ago.
I have also come across Kharrals who are Sikhs although they are minute in numbers.
 
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And its not like Mughals sent marriage proposals to Muslim Rajputs of Punjab.........they were simply not considered. They needed the military assets of Rajputana, not of petty zamindars of Punjab, so preferred the former for matrimonial alliance.

Mughal emperor Bahadur Shah I's mother was the daughter of Raja Tajuddin Khan, the Jarral chief of Rajauri (which is near Mirpur), and was the wife of Aurangzeb.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahadur_Shah_I

Yeah, and why should they not? They were ruled for almost a century by the Marathas

Punjab at that time was de-facto independent under Punjabi Musalman ruler Adina Khan Arain, who only paid some indemnity to the Marathas for a few years, but was otherwise autonomous.

Marthas came in for some years only to be butchered by Punjabis as for the Sikh rule over Punjab , it by far proved to be a blessing for Punjab , (after all we are the same group of people with different Faiths) with Punjabi maharaja ranjit singhs Punjabi Muslim chief minister------ and don't spew lies on the pretext of religion.

While many Punjabi Muslims offered resistance and fought the Misls during the rise of Sukerchakia Misl of Ranjit Singh..

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However after battles many retained their power and became semi-autonomous vassals
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So, while not fully secular, his rule could be describe as secular to some degree.
 

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Of all the traitors & back stabber this Man's betrayal hurts me the most. Much as I am proud of our ancestors this man puts me to shame.

The cattle lifting & Robbery started after the end of the rebellion as majority of the lands in our ownership & control were taken away. I do not have first hand knowledge of the situation in south Punjab & our traditional stronghold of Ravi Doab but my own elders in Gujrat & Modern day Mandi Bahaudin & Sargodha had to resort to Cattle lifting & Robbery. Though jokingly our cousins from other Jutt clans always bring this issue up to tease us, the favourite line being 'Sahi ( kharral sub clan ) Raatan jaagan de changey ne' a vieled attempt at our past. My own ancestral village along with a few adjoining villages where we finally settled upon were 'Warraich' owned villages & lands which we encroached upon, further down in Mandi Bahauddin it was the same, Sargodha prior to canals was much less inhabited & jungle like which became a natural refuge, even after the district was organised & canal colonise set up we held on to some areas.
Another thing that I find interesting is the fact that compared to other Jutt tribes & clans of these 3 and other districts of the Punjab we have a far less participation/representation in the Armed forces to this day, which I believe is due to the British policy of rewarding & naturally trusting the more loyal communities & tribes of the land through recruitment.
Although we are better represented in police.



Gondals & Ranjhas have hardly any Sikhs or Hindus but we Kharrals have a couple of sub clans ( mostly Lakhera Kharrals )who stayed Hindus most of which we expelled from the Bar & Doab towards modern day Himachal Pardesh & Nepal. Apparently there is a sizeable kharral community in Nepal which descends from the ones expelled nearly a millennia ago.
I have also come across Kharrals who are Sikhs although they are minute in numbers.
Do you claim to be jatts? because the kharrals of Kamalia,Gugera and even Pindi Bhattia claim to be Rajputs..

A friend of mine has a Kharral friend (direct descendant of Rai Ahmed Khan) and they proudly claim to be Rajputs and maintain that they dont marry outside their community.
 
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Rai Ahmad Khan Kharral's resting place at Jhamra

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It was built by his grandson, Rai Ali Muhammad Khan Kharral

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(from Facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/RAI-AHMED-KHAN-KHARALShaheed-Official-464479400324958/)

The grave of Rai Ahmad Khan

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Inscription at grave

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Leader of British forces, the Englishman Lord Berkeley, who was killed by Murad Fatiana at Sahiwal during the Rebellion

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Son of Rai Ahmad, Rai Jagday Khan Kharral

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Portrait of Rai Ahmad Khan Kharral:

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Do you claim to be jatts? because the kharrals of Kamalia,Gugera and even Pindi Bhattia claim to be Rajputs..

A friend of mine has a Kharral friend (direct descendant of Rai Ahmed Khan) and they proudly claim to be Rajputs and maintain that they dont marry outside their community.
Are you Punjabi from mother side?............i have seen your pictures and your facial features is of Punjabi rather than of a Marri-Baloch. Your complexion is dark but Balochs are generally also very dark .......You did tell us that your family has intermarried a lot with other ethnic groups.. Your extreme anger against members who say some thing even slightest against Punjabis, tells it that you have Punjabi blood in you .You occasionally (half-heartily) defend your Pashtun and Mohajir countrymen when you have to bash Indians and Afghans, but mostly either you are indifferent or display hostility against these two groups, particularly against the former. For example on this very thread you threw taunt of Babur taking Pashtun wife in knee-jerk-reaction to an imagined insult against Punjabis, while i simply stated that "Two Ghakkar women entered into the royal harem"............how is a Muslim woman from Ghakkar tribe marrying a Muslim prince from Mughal, an insult against Punjabis?.......Rajputs are given taunts because they gave Hindu brides to Muslim Kings........

About your taunt against Pashtuns, that Bibi Yousafzai married Babur, even though latter was enemy of her tribe.............. Many Pashtun tribes were allied to Babur for example Gigyanis, Kheshgis, Daudzais, Dilazaks etc and more than half of Babur's army consisted of Pashtuns. .Babur visited a Yousafzai sangar in the guise of a faqeer and saw Bibi Mubarika distributing food among the poor.....he was impressed by her beauty and character, and decided to marry her. Gulbadan Begum (daughter of Babur) gives detailed account of Bibi Mubarika in her book humayun-nama, and we are told that it was Mubarika who brought the bones of Babur to Kabul after taking permission from Sher Shah Suri. Keep in mind that Babur wanted to forge alliance with Pashtuns, evident from the fact that all of the nobles he recruited in India were Pashtuns, but the latter could not digest the fact that they were royals just few years ago and deserted him and his son as soon as they would join. Sher Shah Suri's episode further created resentment between these two rivals and Safavid monarch advised Humayun to consult Rajputs instead of Pashtuns for support. When Akbar tried to marry daughter of Islam Shah, all the Afghan nobles opposed his move and he gave up on the idea. When Bairam Khan, tried to marry the Pashtun princess with his son, he was murdered by Pashtuns in Gujarat. Mannuci in 17th century tells us that Pashtuns nobles of the court look down upon the Mughals and dont marry with them...........so Bibi Mubarika's case is an exception ..........there were no "Pashtun queens" in Mughal harem.......just one case in the entire history of Mughals, as they were forced to choose Rajputs due to fierce opposition and enmity from Afghans.

Mughal emperor Bahadur Shah I's mother was the daughter of Raja Tajuddin Khan, the Jarral chief of Rajauri (which is near Mirpur), and was the wife of Aurangzeb.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahadur_Shah_I



Punjab at that time was de-facto independent under Punjabi Musalman ruler Adina Khan Arain, who only paid some indemnity to the Marathas for a few years, but was otherwise autonomous.



While many Punjabi Muslims offered resistance and fought the Misls during the rise of Sukerchakia Misl of Ranjit Singh..

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However after battles many retained their power and became semi-autonomous vassals
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So, while not fully secular, his rule could be describe as secular to some degree.
He decrees to ban azaan and cow-slaughter, clearly makes him non-secular.
 
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Mughal emperor Bahadur Shah I's mother was the daughter of Raja Tajuddin Khan, the Jarral chief of Rajauri (which is near Mirpur), and was the wife of Aurangzeb.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahadur_Shah_I



Punjab at that time was de-facto independent under Punjabi Musalman ruler Adina Khan Arain, who only paid some indemnity to the Marathas for a few years, but was otherwise autonomous.



While many Punjabi Muslims offered resistance and fought the Misls during the rise of Sukerchakia Misl of Ranjit Singh..

View attachment 341605

However after battles many retained their power and became semi-autonomous vassals
View attachment 341616

So, while not fully secular, his rule could be describe as secular to some degree.
Point well taken :tup:
 
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Are you Punjabi from mother side?............i have seen your pictures and your facial features is of Punjabi rather than of a Marri-Baloch. Your complexion is dark but Balochs are generally also very dark .......You did tell us that your family has intermarried a lot with other ethnic groups.. Your extreme anger against members who say some thing even slightest against Punjabis, tells it that you have Punjabi blood in you .You occasionally (half-heartily) defend your Pashtun and Mohajir countrymen when you have to bash Indians and Afghans, but mostly either you are indifferent or display hostility against these two groups, particularly against the former. For example on this very thread you threw taunt of Babur taking Pashtun wife in knee-jerk-reaction to an imagined insult against Punjabis, while i simply stated that "Two Ghakkar women entered into the royal harem"............how is a Muslim woman from Ghakkar tribe marrying a Muslim prince from Mughal, an insult against Punjabis?.......Rajputs are given taunts because they gave Hindu brides to Muslim Kings........

About your taunt against Pashtuns, that Bibi Yousafzai married Babur, even though latter was enemy of her tribe.............. Many Pashtun tribes were allied to Babur for example Gigyanis, Kheshgis, Daudzais, Dilazaks etc and more than half of Babur's army consisted of Pashtuns. .Babur visited a Yousafzai sangar in the guise of a faqeer and saw Bibi Mubarika distributing food among the poor.....he was impressed by her beauty and character, and decided to marry her. Gulbadan Begum (daughter of Babur) gives detailed account of Bibi Mubarika in her book humayun-nama, and we are told that it was Mubarika who brought the bones of Babur to Kabul after taking permission from Sher Shah Suri. Keep in mind that Babur wanted to forge alliance with Pashtuns, evident from the fact that all of the nobles he recruited in India were Pashtuns, but the latter could not digest the fact that they were royals just few years ago and deserted him and his son as soon as they would join. Sher Shah Suri's episode further created resentment between these two rivals and Safavid monarch advised Humayun to consult Rajputs instead of Pashtuns for support. When Akbar tried to marry daughter of Islam Shah, all the Afghan nobles opposed his move and he gave up on the idea. When Bairam Khan, tried to marry the Pashtun princess with his son, he was murdered by Pashtuns in Gujarat. Mannuci in 17th century tells us that Pashtuns nobles of the court look down upon the Mughals and dont marry with them...........so Bibi Mubarika's case is an exception ..........there were no "Pashtun queens" in Mughal harem.......just one case in the entire history of Mughals, as they were forced to choose Rajputs due to fierce opposition and enmity from Afghans.


He decrees to ban azaan and cow-slaughter, clearly makes him non-secular.

Yaar tanda ho ja. Tumara dimagh itna mota he ke tum larai shuru karnay ke liyeh tayaar ho jaate ho.
 
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Are you Punjabi from mother side?............i have seen your pictures and your facial features is of Punjabi rather than of a Marri-Baloch. Your complexion is dark but Balochs are generally also very dark .......You did tell us that your family has intermarried a lot with other ethnic groups.. Your extreme anger against members who say some thing even slightest against Punjabis, tells it that you have Punjabi blood in you

Nope.. iI equally defend all including ethnic minorities and unlike you im not a secterian or ethnic insect.

You are the same insect who was labelling NLI troops as evil shias who hate sunnis and the same being the reason for them being deployed .,, The same turd who uploaded morphed pics of Jinnah to insult him... the same clown to told us about the army airlifting your family and how overjoyed you were.. only to again go back to the same Anti Pak,Anti Army bashing ...

And i do get angry everytime some afghani or indian turds talks about any ethnic group of Pak unlike mutts like you..




.You occasionally (half-heartily) defend your Pashtun and Mohajir countrymen when you have to bash Indians and Afghans,
Half Heartily? lol.. indians and afghans hardly talk shyt about pashtuns.. infact most afghans here are Pashtun... so spare me your nonsense.

but mostly either you are indifferent or display hostility against these two groups, particularly against the former

And amazingly no Pashtun or Urdu speaker (whom you moan against all the time... for the Pashtun jokes & how the urdu speakers controlled media houses stereotyped the Pashtuns etc nonsense) here except a haramkhor like you takes notice?
For example on this very thread you threw taunt of Babur taking Pashtun wife in knee-jerk-reaction to an imagined insult against Punjabis, while i simply stated that "Two Ghakkar women entered into the royal harem"............how is a Muslim woman from Ghakkar tribe marrying a Muslim prince from Mughal, an insult against Punjabis?.......Rajputs are given taunts because they gave Hindu brides to Muslim Kings........

And before that you a pathelogical liar .. tried to insult my people... several times calling our folk heroes as thugs and cattle robbers and whatnot.... How many times have i reacted before to your chutiyapa against my people? I stand down as to not insult the Pashtun countrymen of mine because of some marwat clown from Lucky who is himself a low caste type wannabe Khan...

you are such a pathetic clown (with your multiple fake ids and your pathetic habbit of being a third class lying haramkhor)
About your taunt against Pashtuns, that Bibi Yousafzai married Babur, even though latter was enemy of her .......t....... Many Pashtun tribes were allied to Babur for example Gigyanis, Kheshgis, Daudzais, Dilazaks etc and more than half of Babur's army consisted of Pashtuns. .Babur visited a Yousafzai sangar in the guise of a faqeer and saw Bibi Mubarika distributing food among the poor.....he was impressed by her beauty and character, and decided to marry her. Gulbadan Begum (daughter of Babur) gives detailed account of Bibi Mubarika in her book humayun-nama, and we are told that it was Mubarika who brought the bones of Babur to Kabul after taking permission from Sher Shah Suri. Keep in mind that Babur wanted to forge alliance with Pashtuns, evident from the fact that all of the nobles he recruited in India were Pashtuns, but the latter could not digest the fact that they were royals just few years ago and deserted him and his son as soon as they would join. Sher Shah Suri's episode further created resentment between these two rivals and Safavid monarch advised Humayun to consult Rajputs instead of Pashtuns for support. When Akbar tried to marry daughter of Islam Shah, all the Afghan nobles opposed his move and he gave up on the idea. When Bairam Khan, tried to marry the Pashtun princess with his son, he was murdered by Pashtuns in Gujarat. Mannuci in 17th century tells us that Pashtuns nobles of the court look down upon the Mughals and dont marry with them...........so Bibi Mubarika's case is an exception ..........there were no "Pashtun queens" in Mughal harem.......just one case in the entire history of Mughals, as they were forced to choose Rajputs due to fierce opposition and enmity from Afghans.

Hardly anybody gives a flyin fuk.. you are the same pathetic loser who even moans against your own kin like Khattaks and what not. Not to forget about your hatred for QA Jinnah and Pakistan in general ... aswell as all other ethnic groups of the country and your pathetic fake sense of superiority over other ethnic groups?

well screw you.
 
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Nope.. iI equally defend all including ethnic minorities and unlike you im not a secterian or ethnic insect.

You are the same insect who was labelling NLI troops as evil shias who hate sunnis and the same being the reason for them being deployed .,, The same turd who uploaded morphed pics of Jinnah to insult him... the same clown to told us about the army airlifting your family and how overjoyed you were.. only to again go back to the same Anti Pak,Anti Army bashing ...

And i do get angry everytime some afghani or indian turds talks about any ethnic group of Pak unlike mutts like you..





Half Heartily? lol.. indians and afghans hardly talk shyt about pashtuns.. infact most afghans here are Pashtun... so spare me your nonsense.



And amazingly no Pashtun or Urdu speaker (whom you moan against all the time... for the Pashtun jokes & how the urdu speakers controlled media houses stereotyped the Pashtuns etc nonsense) here except a haramkhor like you takes notice?


And before that you a pathelogical liar .. tried to insult my people... several times calling our folk heroes as thugs and cattle robbers and whatnot.... How many times have i reacted before to your chutiyapa against my people? I stand down as to not insult the Pashtun countrymen of mine because of some marwat clown from Lucky who is himself a low caste type wannabe Khan...

you are such a pathetic clown (with your multiple fake ids and your pathetic habbit of being a third class lying haramkhor)


Hardly anybody gives a flyin fuk.. you are the same pathetic loser who even moans against your own kin like Khattaks and what not. Not to forget about your hatred for QA Jinnah and Pakistan in general ... aswell as all other ethnic groups of the country and your pathetic fake sense of superiority over other ethnic groups?

well screw you.
Why you are so angry and why you are resorting to name callings ?

And you are not making any sense , its gibberish. Kindly respond to my history-ridden post like an educated person, not like some Jahil throwing temper tantrum.

About your Baloch history.......i did not degrade it, i merely corrected it.....that Mir Chakar was no king, and that no Baloch princely state existed in the present-day India. About Banditry, thats historical fact. Early medieval Arab and Persian sources mentions Balochs and Kochs as marauders indulged in harassing trade caravans (Refer to research work by Bosworth). Mughal historians mentions Prince Aurangzeb taking several expeditions against Baloch tribes in Balochistan to secure the peace in Multan province. Of course some Pashtun tribes along the passes with dry terrain were also indulged in banditry.

Dont mistake history for your zahid hamid uncle's lectures
 
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Do you claim to be jatts? because the kharrals of Kamalia,Gugera and even Pindi Bhattia claim to be Rajputs..

A friend of mine has a Kharral friend (direct descendant of Rai Ahmed Khan) and they proudly claim to be Rajputs and maintain that they dont marry outside their community.

This is exactly my experience too with Kharrals. I've met Kharrals from Rai Ahmed Khan Kharral's area and they claimed to be rajputs. Others from that region also call them rajputs
 
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Telling the truth ... hurts doesnt it? Pathetic little man.
You threw taunt against Pashtuns that Babur had Pashtun wife in knee-jerk-reaction to an imagined insult against Punjabis, while i simply stated that "Two Ghakkar women entered into the royal harem"............how is a Muslim woman from Ghakkar tribe marrying a Muslim prince from Mughal, an insult against Punjabis?.......Rajputs are given taunts because they gave Hindu brides to Muslim Kings........

Many Pashtun tribes were allied to Babur for example Gigyanis, Kheshgis, Daudzais, Dilazaks etc and more than half of Babur's army consisted of Pashtuns. .Babur visited a Yousafzai sangar in the guise of a faqeer and saw Bibi Mubarika distributing food among the poor.....he was impressed by her beauty and character, and decided to marry her. Gulbadan Begum (daughter of Babur) gives detailed account of Bibi Mubarika in her book humayun-nama, and we are told that it was Mubarika who brought the bones of Babur to Kabul after taking permission from Sher Shah Suri. Keep in mind that Babur wanted to forge alliance with Pashtuns, evident from the fact that all of the nobles he recruited in India were Pashtuns, but the latter could not digest the fact that they were royals just few years ago and deserted him and his son as soon as they would join. Sher Shah Suri's episode further created resentment between these two rivals and Safavid monarch advised Humayun to consult Rajputs instead of Pashtuns for support. When Akbar tried to marry daughter of Islam Shah, all the Afghan nobles opposed his move and he gave up on the idea. When Bairam Khan, tried to marry the Pashtun princess with his son, he was murdered by Pashtuns in Gujarat. Mannuci in 17th century tells us that Pashtuns nobles of the court look down upon the Mughals and dont marry with them...........so Bibi Mubarika's case is an exception ..........there were no "Pashtun queens" in Mughal harem.......just one case in the entire history of Mughals, as they were forced to choose Rajputs due to fierce opposition and enmity from Afghans.
 
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You threw taunt against Pashtuns that Babur had Pashtun wife in knee-jerk-reaction to an imagined insult against Punjabis, while i simply stated that "Two Ghakkar women entered into the royal harem"............how is a Muslim woman from Ghakkar tribe marrying a Muslim prince from Mughal, an insult against Punjabis?.......Rajputs are given taunts because they gave Hindu brides to Muslim Kings........

Many Pashtun tribes were allied to Babur for example Gigyanis, Kheshgis, Daudzais, Dilazaks etc and more than half of Babur's army consisted of Pashtuns. .Babur visited a Yousafzai sangar in the guise of a faqeer and saw Bibi Mubarika distributing food among the poor.....he was impressed by her beauty and character, and decided to marry her. Gulbadan Begum (daughter of Babur) gives detailed account of Bibi Mubarika in her book humayun-nama, and we are told that it was Mubarika who brought the bones of Babur to Kabul after taking permission from Sher Shah Suri. Keep in mind that Babur wanted to forge alliance with Pashtuns, evident from the fact that all of the nobles he recruited in India were Pashtuns, but the latter could not digest the fact that they were royals just few years ago and deserted him and his son as soon as they would join. Sher Shah Suri's episode further created resentment between these two rivals and Safavid monarch advised Humayun to consult Rajputs instead of Pashtuns for support. When Akbar tried to marry daughter of Islam Shah, all the Afghan nobles opposed his move and he gave up on the idea. When Bairam Khan, tried to marry the Pashtun princess with his son, he was murdered by Pashtuns in Gujarat. Mannuci in 17th century tells us that Pashtuns nobles of the court look down upon the Mughals and dont marry with them...........so Bibi Mubarika's case is an exception ..........there were no "Pashtun queens" in Mughal harem.......just one case in the entire history of Mughals, as they were forced to choose Rajputs due to fierce opposition and enmity from Afghans.

Before that you were moaning about Baluch than Panjabis.. so piss off you pathetic turd.
 
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Before that you were moaning about Baluch than Panjabis.. so piss off you pathetic turd.
Answer like a civilized and educated person, not like some cave-man Jahil.

You are in history section. I am still expecting a reply from you in response to my history-ridden post. Lets see whether you come to your senses or continue to behave like a mentally retarded person.

Give an educated reply to this;

"You threw taunt against Pashtuns that Babur had Pashtun wife in knee-jerk-reaction to an imagined insult against Punjabis, while i simply stated that "Two Ghakkar women entered into the royal harem"............how is a Muslim woman from Ghakkar tribe marrying a Muslim prince from Mughal, an insult against Punjabis?.......Rajputs are given taunts because they gave Hindu brides to Muslim Kings........

Many Pashtun tribes were allied to Babur for example Gigyanis, Kheshgis, Daudzais, Dilazaks etc and more than half of Babur's army consisted of Pashtuns. .Babur visited a Yousafzai sangar in the guise of a faqeer and saw Bibi Mubarika distributing food among the poor.....he was impressed by her beauty and character, and decided to marry her. Gulbadan Begum (daughter of Babur) gives detailed account of Bibi Mubarika in her book humayun-nama, and we are told that it was Mubarika who brought the bones of Babur to Kabul after taking permission from Sher Shah Suri. Keep in mind that Babur wanted to forge alliance with Pashtuns, evident from the fact that all of the nobles he recruited in India were Pashtuns, but the latter could not digest the fact that they were royals just few years ago and deserted him and his son as soon as they would join. Sher Shah Suri's episode further created resentment between these two rivals and Safavid monarch advised Humayun to consult Rajputs instead of Pashtuns for support. When Akbar tried to marry daughter of Islam Shah, all the Afghan nobles opposed his move and he gave up on the idea. When Bairam Khan, tried to marry the Pashtun princess with his son, he was murdered by Pashtuns in Gujarat. Mannuci in 17th century tells us that Pashtuns nobles of the court look down upon the Mughals and dont marry with them...........so Bibi Mubarika's case is an exception ..........there were no "Pashtun queens" in Mughal harem.......just one case in the entire history of Mughals, as they were forced to choose Rajputs due to fierce opposition and enmity from Afghans.
 
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Fuk off you pathetlogical lying turd.
Still waiting for any thing smart and educated from you.........

Why you felt the need to target Pashtuns by throwing a taunt of Mughals marrying Pashtuns?........why you think the two royal races of medieval India , marrying each other, is an insult and some thing to be frown upon?

Mir Naseer Khan Baloch, offered his cousin to Ahmad Shah Abdali for marriage, after getting defeated in 1758......for me it was a Muslim marrying a Muslim Baloch woman.........but what are your views and feelings?
 
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