PTI | Imran Khan's Political Desk.

[Leader]

Fastasy land. What would have been the result? invasion by India, US and coalition.

Heck, we didn't even have BVR those days.

yeah a nuclear country would have been invaded... com'on !!!

and moreover, leadership never ever had balls either... be it at any junction...

good lord, ignorance is bliss.

OBL, that Sheikh dude and countless other BArbaric inhumane lunatics who killed 35k PAkistani and countless others. They confess in their propaganda videos with a grin on their evil scumbag faces. What more proof do you want?

oh ja oye... yar damag ki lasi na bana.... cannot believe it...

Last I checked, Turkey is part of NATO and ISAF with 2k troops in Afghanistan.

sending troops is no big deal, didnt we send to kill Palestinians? didnt we send to kill at many occasion??? Turkey is taking full benefits of it (not being part of EU still enjoying full status of EU economic benefits) and moreover, bringing the civil war into our lands was your strategy ? is that what you call diplomacy ? is that what you were paid for ??...... look where we are right now, in middle of nowhere, Amreeki making peace deals with Talibans, giving role to India in Afghanistan, and now the Afghans have made 5 huge invasions, what was your strategy ? errrr.....

and by the end of it, are we friends with Amreeka ? what was your strategy ????????????????

 

[Leader]

okay lets not look back... its new time, lets look up and support new hopes....

here is a glimpse of awami opinion...

 

[S.M.R]

implementation of law

The same implementation of law which we were assured that we will get after restoration of CJ? Are we getting the justice, yes we hear headings of news papers like 'Jo quomain adlia ki hukumrani pasand nahi karteen tabah ho jati hain: CJ'.....and many more similar 'quotes'.

So what is the road map for 'Inexpensive and quick dispensation of justice'. I mean what are the steps which he will take for above, of just it is like manifesto of every party in Pakistan?

 

[Leader]

The same implementation of law which we were assured that we will get after restoration of CJ? Are we getting the justice, yes we hear headings of news papers like 'Jo quomain adlia ki hukumrani pasand nahi karteen tabah ho jati hain: CJ'.....and many more similar 'quotes'.

So what is the road map for 'Inexpensive and quick dispensation of justice'. I mean what are the steps which he will take for above, of just it is like manifesto of every party in Pakistan?

you already have an independent judiciary, that is why big fish are caught, punishments are given, these are not like British courts in British subcontient, which every 3 minute give orders "hang him"...

Decisions are given by SC yet government is defiant against the decisions of courts... there were thousands (more than 50,000 cases) that have reduced to less than 10,000 in SC. it is something ? no?
they dont have force to implement their decisions... their decisions are piece of papers...unless implemented... now the constitution offers two forces... one is the Police, and second is Army......how do you want CJ to do?
however, in lower courts despite the high pays and all the facilities being offered to judges...things have not started to improve.....because they dont want to change the way things are done...and CJ doesnot want to confront lawyers and judges..... I do think that effective check and balance should be implemented in lower courts to make them functional... consumer courts are a good example how fast track decisions are taken... over all atleast Courts are going in right direction...

now a truly representative government of PTI who would implement orders of SC across the board without discrimination...unlike the status quo parties do or have been doing.... A police under the control of a powerful justice based party PTI in government would implement law and order to rich and poor with the same yardstick... this is why we say the top most layer can correct the functionality of the system by bringing the honest and sincere people to head the departments, who wont fill their pockets but strengthen institutions...

we (the people) have restored independent judiciary by force, now its time to back it up with a truly representative government to implement the decisions to give justice across the board...

 

[S.M.R]

you already have an independent judiciary, that is why big fish are caught, punishments are given, these are not like British courts in British subcontient, which every 3 minute give orders "hang him"...

Decisions are given by SC yet government is defiant against the decisions of courts... there were thousands (more than 50,000 cases) that have reduced to less than 10,000 in SC. it is something ? no?
they dont have force to implement their decisions... their decisions are piece of papers...unless implemented... now the constitution offers two forces... one is the Police, and second is Army......how do you want CJ to do?
however, in lower courts despite the high pays and all the facilities being offered to judges...things have not started to improve.....because they dont want to change the way things are done...and CJ doesnot want to confront lawyers and judges..... I do think that effective check and balance should be implemented in lower courts to make them functional... consumer courts are a good example how fast track decisions are taken... over all atleast Courts are going in right direction...

now a truly representative government of PTI who would implement orders of SC across the board without discrimination...unlike the status quo parties do or have been doing.... A police under the control of a powerful justice based party PTI in government would implement law and order to rich and poor with the same yardstick... this is why we say the top most layer can correct the functionality of the system by bringing the honest and sincere people to head the departments, who wont fill their pockets but strengthen institutions...

we (the people) have restored independent judiciary by force, now its time to back it up with a truly representative government to implement the decisions to give justice across the board...

Supreme court is the place where high profile cases are dealt. An ordinay person (even having up to 50k) cannot even afford to hire an advocate supreme court. How many low profile cases are dealt in supreme court? The real problem is in lower courts. What improvement we have seen there since the independent CJ has been restored? Do you think when the CJ (as you said) can not afford confrontation with lawyers and judges then how come a person like IK will do that? Where the real domain lies with CJ not the PM.

If in your view CJ cannot confront the lawyers / judges then is he supposed to hold the higher position of judiciary?

For your correction, CJ was not restored due to public pressure and everybody knows that. (we are still waiting for his view / independent inquiry of charges against him / his son on which he was removed).

So i just want to hear what steps will be taken by PTI to provide the immediate justice to an ordinary man. What is their plan?

Have you ever got a chance to go to courts? I ll not go into details as it will tantamount to insult to Judiciary. Which is surprising as playing with judiciary is not insult, but talking about it definitely is. CJ of High Court himself says there is massive corruption in courts. WTH? if there are so many helpless people on high positions of judiciary then I would love to see what's the plan of IK to deal with them?

 

[Leader]

Supreme court is the place where high profile cases are dealt. An ordinay person (even having up to 50k) cannot even afford to hire an advocate supreme court. How many low profile cases are dealt in supreme court? The real problem is in lower courts. What improvement we have seen there since the independent CJ has been restored? Do you think when the CJ (as you said) can not afford confrontation with lawyers and judges then how come a person like IK will do that? Where the real domain lies with CJ not the PM.

If in your view CJ cannot confront the lawyers / judges then is he supposed to hold the higher position of judiciary?

For your correction, CJ was not restored due to public pressure and everybody knows that. (we are still waiting for his view / independent inquiry of charges against him / his son on which he was removed).

So i just want to hear what steps will be taken by PTI to provide the immediate justice to an ordinary man. What is their plan?

Have you ever got a chance to go to courts? I ll not go into details as it will tantamount to insult to Judiciary. Which is surprising as playing with judiciary is not insult, but talking about it definitely is. CJ of High Court himself says there is massive corruption in courts. WTH? if there are so many helpless people on high positions of judiciary then I would love to see what's the plan of IK to deal with them?

you need to know some basics about the structure of the courts... anyways avoiding that, coming to your question how can IK will ensure when CJ cannot dare to confront lawyers and judges?
didnt I answer that already ? being head of the government, all the government institutions would be in his and his team's control... why wouldnt reform be implemented and law properly enforced? resistance is surely expected... but can anything stand in front of a popular government working in the interest of the people?

 

[sur]

This link belongs here too...
http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/121783-watch-pti-protest-live.html

 

[Usama86]

Regarding Free Judiciary
It means that the judges are free from all influence and will make decisions based on the facts of the case presented to them. The problem here is that the process of prosecution or the evidence gathering for a case is still not independent, the judges cannot do anything if the case presented is not concrete enough.

Musharaf
Supporters of musharaf like to think rationaly and focus more on the end result of any issue. Taking that line i would say that he has had his 9 years of absolute power, yet what he achieved was limited to his era. What i am trying to say is that he could not in 9 years put the country on the right track for long term progress both economicaly and politicaly, he handed over the country to same old corrupt people he said he would never let back in Pakistan. Life does not give a second chance, Musharaf had his chance now people can argue on what he did was right or wrong but lets not dwell in the past and wish for your childhood to return because it never will. Get over your love for personalities and look to the future.

 

[Leader]

Why there was a media black out on PTI Dharna ?


this is unfair...

 

[Leader]

PEMRA forbid News Channels to show PTI Dharna. and there is nothing in news papers either...as if it didnt happen....

 

[Leader]

Imran khan address Faisalabad Rally.

this is the same city where a week back PML N showed gunda gardi and became defiant against the writ of the government by openly threatening the law enforcing authorities....

 

[sur]

July-24-2011 Faisalabad

Listen to slogans "praising" Zardari...

 

[muse]

Why has PTI not been able to translate what it suggests is popularity of the PTI, into electoral success?

 

[sur]

Why has PTI not been able to translate what it suggests is popularity of the PTI, into electoral success?

This has been explained MANY times,,, but here it is again...

1st election... ONLY few month old party...
2nd election... under Mushy-the-t....'s auspix... rigged big time.... Like LEADER told that ISI's chief came to IK & asked how many seats did he want...
3rd election... IK sensed that NRO-purified-criminals are going to be imposed by Mushy-the-t....., so he did NOT participate, PML-N promised boycott but cheated at the last moment & participated...

& now we all know fact of 35 million fake enteries while current govt. only have 8 million votes.... might be that ALL of those 8 million were fake entries...

In a by-election PTI got 70%-vs-30% of PML-N votes from all urban areas, while in rural booths PML-N got more votes where it's much easier to rig... & TV channels showed a 10-12 year old boy stamping votes.... any more proof needed....!!!


Recently PML-N launched Yellow-Cab scheme... read it's requirements, u'll find out that it's an attempt to bribe the youth towards PML-N...


IK can ONLY translate his support into votes IF elections are fare, he has said that few times on TV,,, IF NOT then he has also given the other outcome,,,, "blood on streets"...

 

[muse]

So basically the popularity has not stood the test of elections because PTI did not participate in elections - what is it afraid of?