Protests in Cuba !

[BHAN85]

If it succeeds they will install another corrupt government instead

There is a lot of rich Cuban people living in Miami who can invest in a future free Cuba.

Sadly, first dead in protests is reported.

Btw, Cubans from Miami try to arrive to Cuba to help people with food and medicines.
But Cuban corrupt regime says that they are not welcome, as common people starve to death, what a evil regime.

 

[BHAN85]

The first dead in protests: Diubis Laurencio Tejeda (age 36)

Confirmada muerte violenta de un civil en contexto de protestas en Cuba

Diubis Laurencio Tejeda, un cubano de 36 años, murió este lunes 12 de julio en el barrio La Güinera, municipio habanero de Arroyo Naranjo, durante protestas calificadas por la prensa estatal como "disturbios"

www.diariolasamericas.com

 

[MajesticPug]

The problem is weak countries like China don't mind being screwed over with no ramifications. They just happily turn the other cheek.

Cuba nationalized things with no compensation...so we returned the favor by puttng them on the sanctions sh*tlist.

If the world wants to cry about it as being unfair...go right ahead we don't give a @#$%. That's what they get. Let them rot. Go help them yourselves instead of crying a river about us. Since when do we have an obligation to help them out?

Typical crook, bully mentality. No one asks you to help. But please don't kill. Because you have the biggest gun, so you could kill as you like? If you want to be the bully you are, then don't talk like you care about people's lives and human rights. Hypocrites.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Typical crook, bully mentality. No one asks you to help. But please don't kill. Because you have the biggest gun, so you could kill as you like? If you want to be the bully you are, then don't talk like you care about people's lives and human rights. Hypocrites.

Why does the world expect us to snap our fingers to magically bring happy rainbows to Cuba?

 

[CIA Mole]

There is a lot of rich Cuban people living in Miami who can invest in a future free Cuba.

Sadly, first dead in protests is reported.

Btw, Cubans from Miami try to arrive to Cuba to help people with food and medicines.
But Cuban corrupt regime says that they are not welcome, as common people starve to death, what a evil regime.

time to invade cuba? i guess it’s be easier than iran

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

If the protests fail. nothing will happen

If it succeeds they will install another corrupt government instead

Communism works, it's just that Russia, Yugoslavia, Venezuala, Somalia, Mozambique, Mexico, Vietnam, Afghanistan and India didn't do it right

When did Mexico try to do Communism?

Mexico in the 1920's and 1930's had two Communist Presidents- Plutarco Calles and Lázaro Cárdenas but even though those presidents were Communist in their ideology, Mexico has never had a Communist system.

The violence in Mexico became a big issue around 2005/2006. From the end of the Cristero War of the 1920's until then, Mexico had been a peaceful country.

For about thirty years starting from around mid 80's to the election of Obrador, Mexico had been run by a neoliberal right-wing.

The neoliberal right-wing failed the country and they had been given a chance for like thirty years.

To say that Mexico was failed by Communism is actually the opposite of what happened- Mexico was failed by neoliberal capitalism.

That's not to say I support either- rather, I am against both of them. Neither of them are right.

That being said, there are other factors in the country's history as well. The eternal anglo. The hidden role of Masonry.

 

[CIA Mole]

When did Mexico try to do Communism?

Mexico in the 1920's and 1930's had two Communist Presidents- Plutarco Calles and Lázaro Cárdenas but even though those presidents were Communist in their ideology, Mexico has never had a Communist system.

The violence in Mexico became a big issue around 2005/2006. From the end of the Cristero War of the 1920's until then, Mexico had been a peaceful country.

For about thirty years starting from around mid 80's to the election of Obrador, Mexico had been run by a neoliberal right-wing.

The neoliberal right-wing failed the country and they had been given a chance for like thirty years.

To say that Mexico was failed by Communism is actually the opposite of what happened- Mexico was failed by neoliberal capitalism.

That's not to say I support either- rather, I am against both of them. Neither of them are right.

That being said, there are other factors in the country's history as well. The eternal anglo. The hidden role of Masonry.

what matters is not communism or capitalism

what matters is the free market and price discovery

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

time to invade cuba? i guess it’s be easier than iran

who is going to invade Cuba? you? let's not kid ourselves. the US isn't about to invade Cuba... or Venezuela for that matter.

what matters is not communism or capitalism

what matters is the free market and price discovery

Well the neoliberals are all about the free market.

The counter protests are much bigger than these astroturfed riots.

yeah, I heard that these anti-regime protests are connected with foreign ngos... I'm not a hundred percent for sure, though but it's what I've heard

 

[CatSultan]

When did Mexico try to do Communism?

Mexico in the 1920's and 1930's had two Communist Presidents- Plutarco Calles and Lázaro Cárdenas but even though those presidents were Communist in their ideology, Mexico has never had a Communist system.

The violence in Mexico became a big issue around 2005/2006. From the end of the Cristero War of the 1920's until then, Mexico had been a peaceful country.

For about thirty years starting from around mid 80's to the election of Obrador, Mexico had been run by a neoliberal right-wing.

The neoliberal right-wing failed the country and they had been given a chance for like thirty years.

To say that Mexico was failed by Communism is actually the opposite of what happened- Mexico was failed by neoliberal capitalism.

That's not to say I support either- rather, I am against both of them. Neither of them are right.

That being said, there are other factors in the country's history as well. The eternal anglo. The hidden role of Masonry.

wasn't their a socialist party that ruled mexico for a long time?

 

[Omar Al-Deek]

wasn't their a socialist party that ruled mexico for a long time?

the PRI.... PRI is a weird party.... they were socialist at the very beginning but then later I think around the mid 80's they became neoliberal capitalist right-wing....

the PRI came together after the Mexican Revolution and the idea was that they were the party of the Mexican Revolution..... I think they were center-left through a lot of their history... for example... President Gustavo Díaz Ordaz in 68... he crushed this Communist student uprising.... but he also distributed land... I would say from 20's/30's (origins) to around like mid80's they were a sort of center left party from what I understand... except when they first started I think they were full blown socialist basically

I think Communism never really took off in Mexico because Mexico had its own Mexican Revolution before the Russian Revolution... it makes more sense for Mexicans to look to their own revolution than the foreign one... plus the Mexican revolution wasn't anti-religious like the bolshevik one....

 

[jamahir]

The problem is the people see the rest of the world advancing while they are stuck in the 1960s. That would make anybody antsy.

Even Elon Musk wants Direct Democracy to govern near-future Mars settlements. One of the desires of Communism is Direct Democracy : "Withering away of the State and the people ruling themselves". This element was already governing Libya until the 2011 invasion but the Libyans didn't call it Communism maybe because of the belief of many that Communism automatically calls for Atheism.

So Communism is not a 1960s ideology but one of near-future too. For all of humanity.

But some neo-communist kids think of Cuba as some utopia.

Everything looks good from a 1000 miles away, as long as you don’t have to live through it.

Cuba has one of the best, if not the best, healthcare systems in the world. Now India is the most extreme Capitalist society in history. Here, the poor die and even the middle class die or suffer not because there is no treatment for their ailment but they do not have the money to pay to the hospital.

Another element : Just between 1995 and 2017 more than 300,000 Indian farmers committed suicide, mainly because of socio-economic reasons.

Let Cubans come to India and live here as common Indians for five years. They will go back and wish for their system to remain.

Communism works, it's just that Russia, Yugoslavia, Venezuala, Somalia, Mozambique, Mexico, Vietnam, Afghanistan and India didn't do it right

Why did India come into this ?

@Path-Finder
Your signature is coming true.
'Modus operandi of the US; 1.Subvert a weak country 2.Accuse of human rights violations 3.Impose sanctions 4.Trigger Riots 5.Military intervention'

Yeah, I too was trying to remember which member had that signature.

who is going to invade Cuba? you? let's not kid ourselves. the US isn't about to invade Cuba... or Venezuela for that matter.

Just a few months ago two former American special forces men were caught by Venezuelan security. These two wanted to initiate the first elements of regime change. Also, the anti-Chavism elements in Venezuela have been supported by the American government for more than 20 years, including weapons given to rioters in recent years. These weapons came in "food trucks" from Columbia.

 

[Bilal.]

Even Elon Musk wants Direct Democracy to govern near-future Mars settlements. One of the desires of Communism is Direct Democracy : "Withering away of the State and the people ruling themselves". This element was already governing Libya until the 2011 invasion but the Libyans didn't call it Communism maybe because of the belief of many that Communism automatically calls for Atheism.

So Communism is not a 1960s ideology but one of near-future too. For all of humanity.



Cuba has one of the best, if not the best, healthcare systems in the world. Now India is the most extreme Capitalist society in history. Here, the poor die and even the middle class die or suffer not because there is no treatment for their ailment but they do not have the money to pay to the hospital.

Another element : Just between 1995 and 2017 more than 300,000 Indian farmers committed suicide, mainly because of socio-economic reasons.

Let Cubans come to India and live here as common Indians for five years. They will go back and wish for their system to remain.



Why did India come into this ?



Yeah, I too was trying to remember which member had that signature.



Just a few months ago two former American special forces men were caught by Venezuelan security. These two wanted to initiate the first elements of regime change. Also, the anti-Chavism elements in Venezuela have been supported by the American government for more than 20 years, including weapons given to rioters in recent years. These weapons came in "food trucks" from Columbia.

You can think what you want from ten thousand mile away. But the fact on the ground is that both the Cuban government and people have decided to leave communism behind.

The government is doing it slowly like China and Vietnam and has already allowed private ownership.

While people have had it and want it tomorrow and hence the unrest.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Communism works, it's just that Russia, Yugoslavia, Venezuala, Somalia, Mozambique, Mexico, Vietnam, Afghanistan and India didn't do it right

lmao this is factually untrue. Mexico, India, Venezuela, Somalia and Mozambique are all capitalist.

30% of Venezuela's economy came from the government in 2007.

Contrast to the US where 44% of GDP comes from the government in 2020 and was 42% in 2010.

For comparison in China 27% of GDP is from state owned enterprises and direct government spending is 37%, making the public sector 64% of the economy.

I notice you don't dare criticize China and somehow criticize Vietnam which is 1. far richer than any country in South Asia, and 2. still run by CPV to a degree of success that would make any politician in Pakistan rage with jealousy. They'd even have more money for their Swiss Bank accounts with a bigger pie but foolishly keep everyone poor thinking it gets them more control... well, you know how it goes.

And it's hilarious that you are trash talking Russia. Russia has the same population as Pakistan. Can you say with a straight face that Pakistan has even 1% of the achievements of Russia?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

You can think what you want from ten thousand mile away. But the fact on the ground is that both the Cuban government and people have decided to leave communism behind.

The government is doing it slowly like China and Vietnam and has already allowed private ownership.

While people have had it and want it tomorrow and hence the unrest.

China had laws on private ownership even in the Mao era. Conversely, worker's communes and state owned enterprises are still around.

Huawei, objectively one of the most successful companies in the world, is a worker's commune owned by the employees and doesn't even have a fixed CEO (they have a rotating CEO council).

Hair is another example: it is one of the most successful companies in the world, is a worker's commune, has a rotating corporate presidency and its innovative employee self management model was even featured on Harvard Business Review as an example of the success nonhierarchical management.

In contrast to what you may have been conditioned to believe, employees don't require either whips on their backs or the threat of starvation to perform. Giving workers a stake in corporate success - which is not capitalist, as in capitalism only the owners and shareholders have a stake in corporate success - generally leads to high operational performance, as proven by Huawei and Haier. Capitalists are just as likely to cut jobs and sell corporate assets for a quick payout and then invest that shit in Bitcoin as they are to build corporate operational excellence.

 

[Bilal.]

China had laws on private ownership even in the Mao era. Conversely, worker's communes and state owned enterprises are still around.

Huawei, objectively one of the most successful companies in the world, is a worker's commune owned by the employees and doesn't even have a fixed CEO (they have a rotating CEO council).

Hair is another example: it is one of the most successful companies in the world, is a worker's commune, has a rotating corporate presidency and its innovative employee self management model was even featured on Harvard Business Review as an example of the success nonhierarchical management.

In contrast to what you may have been conditioned to believe, employees don't require either whips on their backs or the threat of starvation to perform. Giving workers a stake in corporate success - which is not capitalist, as in capitalism only the owners and shareholders have a stake in corporate success - generally leads to high operational performance, as proven by Huawei and Haier. Capitalists are just as likely to cut jobs and sell corporate assets for a quick payout and then invest that shit in Bitcoin as they are to build corporate operational excellence.

That’s why China is commendable. It has molded the system per its unique needs instead of becoming a communist dogmatic state or the opposite.

It’s neither full communist nor full capitalist. It’s a unique Chinese system which evolved and borrowed even from its historic system to come up with solutions needed by its people: