Promoting anti-science via textbooks - by PERVEZ HOODBHOY

[django]

My Hoodbhoy is greatest Muslim Scientist of 21st century after Iban Khulddon , Sir Abdus Salam, Bo Ali Sena, Al Jabar ect.

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  • Anvari (1126-1189)
  • Mo'ayyeduddin Urdi (died 1566)
  • Nasir al-Din Tusi (1201 - 1274)
  • Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi (1236 - 1311)
  • Shams al-Dīn al-Samarqandī (1250 - 1310)
  • Ibn al-Shatir (1304 - 1375)
  • Shams al-Dīn Abū Abd Allāh al-Khalīlī (1320-80)
  • Jamshīd al-Kāshī (1380 - 1429)
  • Ulugh Beg (1394 - 1449)
  • Taqi al-Din Muhammad ibn Ma'ruf (1526 - 1585)
  • Ahmad Nahavandi (8th and 9th centuries)
  • Haly Abenragel (10th and 11th century)
  • Abolfadl Harawi (10th century)
  • Mu'ayyad al-Din al-'Urdi (1200 - 1266)

There should come in tomorrow's history books
Abdus Salam (1960-2000)
Pervaiz Hoodbhoy (1960-2030)

He is arguably Pakistans top theoretical physicist at this current moment, that does not mean he is the greatest Muslim scientist today ( if indeed he is a Muslim).

 

[Khafee]

While I can give the example of Evolution in Islam... Adam's hight was far higher than today's man... Same was with their other body features.. Evolution happened and now we are in this form..

As per some scholars he was 70 feet tall and six feet wide.

Allah knows best.


Well you gave a good example of Evolution in Islam, but what about Evolution in Science i.e. that is Darwin's theory of evolution? What would you say about that?

Why do monkeys today choosing to stay monkeys... dont they want to become humans... drive farraris and live on ocean view villas??

Some people even think it was darwin alone who evolved from monkey ... not all of us... thats another theory (no scientific evidence to prove it)

Believe me bro, I have seen monkeys driving Ferraris, and living in ocean view villas, not a good sight!

But last i remember darwin theory is even rejected by scientists based on the fact there are no intermediary species between baboons and humans ... if there is something as evaluation then there should be some intermediary ...

I dont think why do you people are so much anti religion ... the theory even rejected by scientists and you are condemning islam ...

Baboons in human form are well alive today, just ask @Zibago he keeps mentioning them

 

[Zibago]

As per some scholars he was 70 feet tall and six feet wide.

Allah knows best.


Well you gave a good example of Evolution in Islam, but what about Evolution in Science i.e. that is Darwin's theory of evolution? What would you say about that?


Believe me bro, I have seen monkeys driving Ferraris, and living in ocean view villas, not a good sight!


Baboons in human form are well alive today, just ask @Zibago he keeps mentioning them

One is in our PM house and some are proud members of pdf

@Mrc dear people even argue different sizes of dick is a sign of evolution. It is a serious issue so no need to put 'lol' here, lol

Predator was never predator in the beginning. It is end product that we see today. Earlier lions used to eat grass and deer used to eat meat at times till they got visible distinction. Because basic digestion system is same in plants and animals.

Our skin colour actually is a sign o evolution

 

[airmarshal]

Pervez Hoodbhoy is a very confused man. He was the one who advocated Pakistan giving up its nuclear weapon despite having a clear and present threat from across border. He is a liberal retard.

Does Islam in any way support theory of evolution? It does not.

Religion cant be separated from life and curriculum. Religion is part of life. You are in it to believe in it. Or else just walk away from it. Calling yourself a Muslim but not practicing is not a sign being liberal, its a sign of being hypocrite.

Darwin theory was just that - a theory. For a liberal retard like Hoodbhoy, its religion. Any thing coming coming from West is pontificated and anointed by these retards in the name being progressive thinking and way of life.

By the way, the first human being descended on this earth was Adam. He was a human very much like us. Not an ape or monkey but a real human being. So there goes the theory of evolution as propagated by this confused liberal.

 

[Khafee]

@Mrc dear people even argue different sizes of dick is a sign of evolution. It is a serious issue so no need to put 'lol' here, lol

Predator was never predator in the beginning. It is end product that we see today. Earlier lions used to eat grass and deer used to eat meat at times till they got visible distinction. Because basic digestion system is same in plants and animals.

We have respectable female members on this forum. It would be best if you were not crude and cheap.

 

[niaz]

I believe in Darwin's theory of evolution. This text book is the work of reactionary JI Influence.

Adam was the first human but the holy Quran only describes a vague story about Adam's birth. We are all creations of the Almighty. It is in Allah's power the evolve a human from non- human parents. Why can't we accept that evolution is due to the will of Allah?

 

[airmarshal]

Religion cant be subservient to science. In fact, science is subservient to religion. Whats said in Quran is final.

Take the example of fire. It burns you. Its a scientific law. Quran clearly says Hazrat Ibrahim was thrown in fire by his people. It was the only time the fire did not burn. This means that physical laws can be amended by the One who created them.

The concept of spirituality and religion that will simply escape an idiot like Hoodbhoy.

I believe in Darwin's theory of evolution. This text book is the work of reactionary JI Influence.

Adam was the first human but the holy Quran only describes a vague story about Adam's birth. We are all creations of the Almighty. It is in Allah's power the evolve a human from non- human parents. Why can't we accept that evolution is due to the will of Allah?

So why cant we accept that Allah does not need to understand like we do? He does not need to evolve things.

We evolve in our thinking and hence we think other things evolve too. Allah can create anything from any thing. Whats stopping Him from doing that?

 

[Khafee]

I believe in Darwin's theory of evolution. This text book is the work of reactionary JI Influence.

Adam was the first human but the holy Quran only describes a vague story about Adam's birth. We are all creations of the Almighty. It is in Allah's power the evolve a human from non- human parents. Why can't we accept that evolution is due to the will of Allah?

It is not vague at all. Crystal clear, IF one bothers reading and understanding it properly.

Btw I have no issues at all if you want to believe you descended form an ape / monkey etc. Please feel free to do so, without passing comments about the Quran, about which you clearly have no knowledge of.

Religion cant be subservient to science. In fact, science is subservient to religion. Whats said in Quran is final.

Take the example of fire. It burns you. Its a scientific law. Quran clearly says Hazrat Ibrahim was thrown in fire by his people. It was the only time the fire did not burn. This means that physical laws can be amended by the One who created them.

The concept of spirituality and religion that will simply escape an idiot like Hoodbhoy.



So why cant we accept that Allah does not need to understand like we do? He does not need to evolve things.

We evolve in our thinking and hence we think other things evolve too. Allah can create anything from any thing. Whats stopping Him from doing that?

And some on this very forum.

 

[malik_qasim]

Yeah Always.... I mean what the hell with teaching the Reproduction??? Bachay now a days know more than the text books... in my university the thing is much lowered Thank God.. They teach like how it's taught.. May be they all are PhD's from foreign..

Now Islam has the base of everything and science just explains.... I'll just QUOTE a example from Surah Alaq..." Created man from a clinging substance.."

Science just elaborated and searched for how is this clinging substance formed and which organs took part.. and what happens further..

It reminds me a thing read years agoپنکھے کے نیچے بیٹھ کر ایک شخص مائک میں کہ رہا تھا سائنس حرام ہے ...

no it does not.. both are completely different things in there essence..
one is reason and the other is revelation..
and i believe its your faith speaking,
just like you do not let a man drive a car when he is drunk,
the same way you you should keep the religion away from science.. or bad things will follow..

 

[monitor]

I believe in Darwin's theory of evolution. This text book is the work of reactionary JI Influence.

Adam was the first human but the holy Quran only describes a vague story about Adam's birth. We are all creations of the Almighty. It is in Allah's power the evolve a human from non- human parents. Why can't we accept that evolution is due to the will of Allah?

There clear description that Adam was not evolution but created from mud, even which part of earth was created also mention. Before the creation of human Jin was created. If you are a Muslim there are no way to believe Adam or. Human were evolved from anythings else.

 

[VCheng]

This text book is the work of reactionary JI Influence.

Sir, every society instills in its next generation the values that it wishes to promote. If Pakistanis want such text books for their children, then it is their right to have them, without objections from outsiders. After all, there are advisory boards that approve the material, and they should be respected for their decisions.

 

[malik_qasim]

But last i remember darwin theory is even rejected by scientists based on the fact there are no intermediary species between baboons and humans ... if there is something as evaluation then there should be some intermediary ...

I dont think why do you people are so much anti religion ... the theory even rejected by scientists and you are condemning islam ...

well i do not want to be such a bummer
but 99.9 percent scientists in USA believes in evolution
over all about 0.15 scientist belies in some sort of creationism in some poles..
this idea that its just a theory and is rejected by most scientist(those 0.15% once).. came from the clergy..
and truth is that evolution is a rude awaking.. and the basic of modern genetics and biological research forefronts..
and its quite interesting too if you study it right..

 

[Khafee]

Where did you find in my post that i am defending text book using religion ... i am referring to posts by various member relating this text book material to religion ...

I am saying darwin theory is even rejected by scientists ... then why people here are relating it to religion ???

Because they need a reason to negate religion, so any opportunity to defame it, should not be lost.

 

[Chauvinist]

Well you gave a good example of Evolution in Islam, but what about Evolution in Science i.e. that is Darwin's theory of evolution? What would you say about that?

Being a Genecist I do believe in that...But wait let me explain as keyboard warriors will grab their weapon and bash me.

Darwin's theory explains what is simply the rule of nature... Nature always tends to eliminate the individuals who fail to cope with it.. Same happens in Darwin's theory... Individuals having the non-beneficial trait..how could they survive in the environment to which their body doesn't favor anymore..?
And hence individuals having favorable traits were preferred by nature itself..

Dominant always rules.. Thats what Darwin wanted to say I guess.

Islam is not a narrow minded religion.. it calls people to explore the world of the Creator.. He hid things for us to reveal..
And Science is the name to explore things.. It gave benefits to the creature of His.. how it could be colliding to Islam? Until we don't make it...!!

@Zibago @WAJsal @Hell hound @war&peace @Aether @Oscar

 

[Khafee]

Being a Genecist I do believe in that...But wait let me explain as keyboard warriors will grab their weapon and bash me.

Darwin's theory explains what is simply the rule of nature... Nature always tends to eliminate the individuals who fail to cope with it.. Same happens in Darwin's theory... Individuals having the non-beneficial trait..how could they survive in the environment to which their body doesn't favor anymore..?
And hence individuals having favorable traits were preferred by nature itself..

Dominant always rules.. Thats what Darwin wanted to say I guess.

Islam is not a narrow minded religion.. it calls people to explore the world of the Creator.. He hid things for us to reveal..
And Science is the name to explore things.. It gave benefits to the creature of His.. how it could be colliding to Islam? Until we don't make it...!!

@Zibago @WAJsal @Hell hound @war&peace @Aether @Oscar

What you are describing is the "survival of the fittest." My question would be one specie evolving into another specie. IS that scientifically proven?