Profile: STM LF-2400 Light Frigate (Turkey)

[Penguin]

I think you're right. It appears to be a 3x4 design but as @Penguin mentioned, i am unaware of a 12 cell unit.

I figure that if you can fit 12 you can also fit 16 as the difference is rather marginal for this kind of clustering.

the fact that the 2350t LF-2400 has a 5000km range compared to the 4000km range of the 3000t F-22P

Carefull! LF-2400 does 5000nmi at 15 kn. The Type 053H3, on which F22P is based, does 5,000 nmi at 15 to 16 knots (28 to 30 km/h). F25T (Thai Naresuan) does 4000 nmi at 18 kn. So, I suspect, the 4000 nmi for F22P is likely at 18 kn.

 

[Tank131]

I figure that if you can fit 12 you can also fit 16 as the difference is rather marginal for this kind of clustering.


Carefull! LF-2400 does 5000nmi at 15 kn. The Type 053H3, on which F22P is based, does 5,000 nmi at 15 to 16 knots (28 to 30 km/h). F25T (Thai Naresuan) does 4000 nmi at 18 kn. So, I suspect, the 4000 nmi for F22P is likely at 18 kn.

Fair enough, but that is still very good range for a vessel that size and more than enough to patrol the EEZ and is sufficient for Pakistan's needs in the near future.

F22 cost less and is a chinease frigate that sits towards their lower tier of capability to what they build today. Or 052D would have


I like the sound of the turning ship it sounds power packed like the israeli saar5

F-22P cost $175M per ship. The suspected cost of these vessels is somewhere in the $220 - $250M range which is still cheaper than the roughly $325M for I-Class. These are still a relative bargain when considering how much more capable they are than F-22P and that the TOTAL COST OF OWNERSHIP over the life of the vessel, meaning how much you spend on buying, maintaining, manning the ship with personnel, and operating the ship will likely be far less, even if you include the higher initial price tag when compared to F-22P.

These vessels may not be equal to top flight chinese ships, but given what class it is in, with the right weapons load-out, you would be hard-pressed to find a vessel with more capability for the cost (that includes chinese vessels) in this class of vessel (2300-3000T). Again, that is dependent on the weapons load out and electronics load out. With a good load out, Sa'ar 5 would be a good comparison.

 

[Incog_nito]

LF2400 has 2 8-cell VLS behind the stack. See parallel threads
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...gates-with-turkey.479495/page-22#post-9317561

Perfect for PN....

 

[Penguin]

Turkish shipbuilder STM said it has offered its solutions for the Colombian Navy’s Plataforma Estratégica de Superficie (PES) frigate acquisition program at the Colombiamar 2017 trade fair and congress.
Colombia plans to acquire four frigates under the PES program to replace the existing Almirante Padilla-class vessels, which are expected to be decommissioned in 2024.
http://navaltoday.com/2017/03/22/turkish-stm-enters-colombian-navy-frigate-bid/

The Almirante Padilla class are German (HDW) built FS 1500 corvettes of 2100 ton full load, similar to the Kasturi class of the Malaysian navy/. This might well be a potential ADA or LF-2400 client.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almirante_Padilla-class_frigate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasturi-class_corvette

 

[Zarvan]

Perfect for PN....

Yes but only if those VLS can fire long range Cruise Missiles

 

[Incog_nito]

Long Range SAM first!

Yes but only if those VLS can fire long range Cruise Missiles

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[Zarvan]

Long Range SAM first!

!!

SAM can be placed on other spots like we have on F-22 P Frigate we need Cruise Missiles

 

[Tank131]

SAM can be placed on other spots like we have on F-22 P Frigate we need Cruise Missiles

No, SAMs should be in vls, they provide an ability to have quick reaction and 360 coverage. If it is necessary to have LACM on these ships (which its not), you would replace the AShM with a dual use LACM which also has AShM capabilities. Although you would only get 6 missiles (like Azmat no.4), but again, these are the wrong platform, LACM as nearly everyone has stated, are better delivered by subs which could actually survive such a delivery mission.

 

[monitor]

There is information that the appearance of the new frigate in China were exhibited in the LIMA17 near-054 B

 

[Tank131]

There is information that the appearance of the new frigate in China were exhibited in the LIMA17 near-054 B

This is the same as the "Tiger class" and rumored "type 057"design. Would be an ideal Command ship for PN, especially if the artist renderings which show 16 cls cells in back of superstructure (between the 2 CIWS) turns out to be true. That would give this frigate the opportunity to field 32 HQ-17b (70km range) and 16 hq-9 (200km range) and 24-48 FL-3000N (9km range) plus 2 type 1130 ciws in a 4 layer defense. In the future if China develops a quad-packable medium range missile that would dramatically increase the weapons load of this ship. Equip it with something like Smart-L or a CAFRAD radar system and you have a very powerful ship. Cost would be the issue, but ideally Pakistan would go for something like 4 LF-2400 and in 5-10 years 4 Type 057 (if they have the potential for long range SAMs). That would give PN 12 modern large warships and 11 AIP subsin addition to numerous FAC which is the ground work for strong naval arm.

 

[Penguin]

Displacement: 3,850 t.
Length: o.a. 135 m
Beam: 16 m
Draught: 4.4 m
Propulsion: 4x 16PA6STC engines in a CODAD configuration, driving two propeller shafts
Top speed: 26 kt
Endurance: 21 days
Standard range: 4,000 nautical miles at cruising speed of 18 kt.
Weapons:

• 1x single-barrel 76 mm naval main gun
• 2x six-barrel Type 730A 30 mm CIWS
• 1x 24-round FL3000N surface-to-air missile [SAM] launcher.
• 32-cell vertical launching system (VLS) firing the 40km range HHQ-16
• 2x4 C-802 surface-to-surface missile (SSM)
• 2x triple 324mm ASW torpedo tubes
• 2x MLR for chaff/flare/decoy launching
  
• Z-9 ASW/ASuW helicopter

Sensors

• an over the horizon [OTH] radar comparable to the [active/passive] SLR66
  
• a phased-array radar mounted in an integrated mast
• hull-mounted sonar

http://www.janes.com/article/69073/china-s-csoc-showcases-a-new-4-000-tonne-frigate

Tiger class frigate: clearly a different, smaller ship.

Type 057: similar to 4,000 class frigate but larger (quite possibly, 057 doesn't exist, but sprang from ideas of artists that saw a pic of a model quite similar to the CSOC 4,000 ton class). Specifically this pic:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/2014-china-new-057-class-frigate.304140/

 

[flamer84]

Hate to rain on your parade but Western states have put Turkey under an unoficial embargo thus Turkey can t deliver such frigates.Romania just canceled the tender for the modernisation of its Type 22 frigates which was won by a Turkish consortium because Western suppliers refused to deliver subsystems or integrate weapons with the Turkish combat system.

 

[Tank131]

Hate to rain on your parade but Western states have put Turkey under an unoficial embargo thus Turkey can t deliver such frigates.Romania just canceled the tender for the modernisation of its Type 22 frigates which was won by a Turkish consortium because Western suppliers refused to deliver subsystems or integrate weapons with the Turkish combat system.

Can you provide a source for the cancelation and that reasoning (ie suppliers refusing to work with Turkey, and which suppliers) . I haven't been able to find that anywhere (doesnt mean it isnt true, but It doesnt really make too much sense to me given turkey makes many US and European electronics and weapons platforms at home under license. If that were the case then all of Turkey's indigenous projects would have already been put on hold, including Ada and Istanbul class ships. All turkish designs use American weaponry and eurpean radars (for now). That being said, in Pakistan's case, such an embargo would make little impact as Turkey makes most of the electronics that Pakistan is interested in, and it can/would use Chinese weaponry equip its vessels (C-802 instead of Harpoon, FL-3000N instead of RAM). The main issue would be a medium range SAM, but China has one available if European options dont pan out, so does south Africa, amd Turkey will have its own weapn systems soon as well with Hisar and Atacama.

 

[dy1022]

Hate to rain on your parade but Western states have put Turkey under an unoficial embargo thus Turkey can t deliver such frigates.Romania just canceled the tender for the modernisation of its Type 22 frigates which was won by a Turkish consortium because Western suppliers refused to deliver subsystems or integrate weapons with the Turkish combat system.

 

[flamer84]

Can you provide a source for the cancelation and that reasoning (ie suppliers refusing to work with Turkey, and which suppliers) . I haven't been able to find that anywhere (doesnt mean it isnt true, but It doesnt really make too much sense to me given turkey makes many US and European electronics and weapons platforms at home under license. If that were the case then all of Turkey's indigenous projects would have already been put on hold, including Ada and Istanbul class ships. All turkish designs use American weaponry and eurpean radars (for now). That being said, in Pakistan's case, such an embargo would make little impact as Turkey makes most of the electronics that Pakistan is interested in, and it can/would use Chinese weaponry equip its vessels (C-802 instead of Harpoon, FL-3000N instead of RAM). The main issue would be a medium range SAM, but China has one available if European options dont pan out, so does south Africa, amd Turkey will have its own weapn systems soon as well with Hisar and Atacama.

It was stated by the Romanian defence minister a few days ago.Because of this,the whole tender (which the Turks originally won) was scrapped and a new one reopened,this time without any Turkish bids.