Professionalism of the Indian Army : 1971 WAR

[SunilM]

bharti army trained terrorists, ever since creation of bharat.
1970-71 they trained bangali hindus for terrorism.
During war bharti army joined terrorists in kiling Bangali /Bihari and west Pakistani Muslims.
At the end of the war, bharti army abducted thousands of Muslim families and took them to bharat and never heard of them ever again.
This is all about bharti army, blood rapists, terrorists and killers.

" Mai is kaum ki nasal badal dunga ye mughe kya samaghte hai" - General Niazi. That is why you lost the war and Bengalis hated you.

 

[BATMAN]

" Mai is kaum ki nasal badal dunga ye mughe kya samaghte hai" - General Niazi. That is why you lost the war and Bengalis hated you.

BS... this Hamid Mir Jaffer and his father both were RAW agents.

 

[SunilM]

BS... this Hamid Mir Jaffer and his father both were RAW agents.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

That was never the intent of this thread. The only intent was to salute the professionalism of the Indian Army after victory in the 1971 war.

they took 15000 civilians including families of soldiers as POW. Thats not professionalism.

 

[Osiris]

they took 15000 civilians including families of soldiers as POW. Thats not professionalism.

They were taken as POW as per Geneva convention and repatriated to Pakistan, that is why they and their future generations are alive today, had they been left to mercy of East Pakistani civilians, they would have been butchered, who wanted reprisals against mass rape and murder of their countrymen.

https://www.firstpost.com/living/fainted-survivors-remember-rape-bangladesh-war-1847399.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldv...-bangladesh-cannot-hide-history/#4d39ae3916df

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-16207201

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

They were taken as POW as per Geneva convention and repatriated to Pakistan, that is why they and their future generations are alive today, had they been left to mercy of East Pakistani civilians, they would have been butchered, who wanted reprisals against mass rape and murder of their countrymen.

https://www.firstpost.com/living/fainted-survivors-remember-rape-bangladesh-war-1847399.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldv...-bangladesh-cannot-hide-history/#4d39ae3916df

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-16207201

They were returned after an agreemnt in indian terms. We were forced to accept that half of our country no more belong to us.
secondly i reject this genocide version of yours. I can give many reference both indian and bengalis but its a long debate.

 

[Osiris]

They were returned after an agreemnt in indian terms. We were forced to accept that half of our country no more belong to us.
secondly i reject this genocide version of yours. I can give many reference both indian and bengalis but its a long debate.

So? Would you have preferred that they be killed instead of being taken POWs.

You can reject all you want, but mass rape and killing of civilians by Pakistan army is a fact.

Only the scale of the genocide, wether it was 3 million or 500,000(as per all international/neutral estimates) can be debated.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

So? Would you have preferred that they be killed instead of being taken POWs.

You can reject all you want, but mass rape and killing of civilians by Pakistan army is a fact.

Only the scale of the genocide, wether it was 3 million or 500,000(as per all international/neutral estimates) can be debated.

it all started whenbengalis killed 25+ non bengalis in chittagong. It was just a start. Most of the dead were non bengalis killed bybengalis.
300k killed is a small fiure in civil wars. Refer to syrian civil war and you would know that it was more intense and still casualities were less.

 

[Osiris]

it all started whenbengalis killed 25+ non bengalis in chittagong. It was just a start. Most of the dead were non bengalis killed bybengalis.
300k killed is a small fiure in civil wars. Refer to syrian civil war and you would know that it was more intense and still casualities were less.

Did your army participate in rape and murder of bengali civilians or not ?

 

[fitpOsitive]

I think our generation is sensible enough to solve our mutual issues. Imran belongs to new gen of politicians who have enough broad mind to solve our issue.
India defeated Pakistan, Pakistan defeated India, we both lost. Only weapon dealers won. Lets walk on the path that will give freedom, longer life expectency and good life to our coming generations. By kneeling down Pakistan, or by kneeling down India no body will get benefitted.
@SunilM

 

[maverick1977]

Those who are preaching genocide of Bengalis should look at the Genocide in India from kashmir to Gujrat. Pakistani army crackdown was in response to indian terrorist activities of supporting mukti bahni... well orchestrated plan by India... God Willingly, things will change.. india can win a tactical battle but in the end their destiny will be the same. Arrogance and terrorism, all are the hall mark of their present government. indian people need liberation from this mindset.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Did your army participate in rape and murder of bengali civilians or not ?

not.
some coleteral damage yes. But not to that extent as bengalis and indians suggest. and that colateral damage always happen in civil wars and trained guirilla attacks of such extents. 400k mukti bahini were there. Many of them were killed in action so losses were high but no innocent civilians were killed.

 

[Osiris]

not.
some coleteral damage yes. But not to that extent as bengalis and indians suggest. and that colateral damage always happen in civil wars and trained guirilla attacks of such extents. 400k mukti bahini were there. Many of them were killed in action so losses were high but no innocent civilians were killed.

So tell us, what is happening here.

Is summary executions of civilians by lining them up and machine gunning them at point blank range, is that part of your definition of collateral damage or killed in action ?

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Did your army participate in rape and murder of bengali civilians or not ?

1)https://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-13417170

2)mujib himselt inorder to find actual figures made two committees but never released the result because only 57000 killed were identified.

So tell us, what is happening here.

Is summary executions of civilians by lining them up and machine gunning them at point blank range, is that part of your definition of collateral damage or killed in action ?

the video show mukti bahini killing non bengalis and then using same video for propaganda purpose against pakistan.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

professioal armies dont use terrorism as policies.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

Pakistan Army Didn't Surrender to Indian Army


Indian Army's misleading tweet about 1971 war adds to culture of jingoistic misinformation, puts Bangladesh govt in tight spot
IndiaGarga Chatterjee
Dec, 17 2017 21:57:49 IST


On 16th December, 2017, the official Twitter and Facebook accounts of the Additional Directorate General of Public Information (ADGPI), IHQ of MoD (Indian Army) with more than 5 million followers combined, wrote the following: “16 December 1971. On this day, 46 years ago, 93,000 Pakistani troops raised white flags and surrendered to the #IndianArmy. #IndoPakWar71 #VijayDivas #ThisDayThatYear @SpokespersonMoD @PIB_India”.



This is simply false. This falsehood was retweeted and shared thousands of times, thus adding to the culture of jingoistic misinformation that exists around such matters. A popular Twitter account called @IndiaHistorypic with about 5.5 lakh followers also tweeted the same sort of misinformation: “1971 :: Pakistan Soldiers Surrender to Indian Army In Bangladesh. 93000 Soldiers Surrendered and Were Sent Back to Pakistan” (they have since removed the tweet after this author pointed it out). The ADGPI of the Indian Army repeated the same sort of false information about the surrender at Sylhet, again in both its Twitter and Facebook accounts, where it wrote: “16-17 December 1971. Surrender at Sylhet. Two Pakistani Brigadiers signed surrender documents in presence of the then Commanding Officer 4/5 GR(FF), Lt Col A B Harolikar. 107 officers, 219 JCOs & 6,229 other ranks of Pak surrendered to the #IndianArmy #VijayDiwas #IndoPakWar71”.

This tweet was even retweeted by @MIB_India, the official Twitter account of Ministry of Information and Broadcasting, Government of India. Spreading of such misinformation by such powerful government agencies is a matter of serious concern. The truth is, in the territory of Bangladesh, no surrender to the Indian Army took place. All the surrenders were to the Joint Command of the Indian and Bangladesh Forces in the Eastern Theatre.



In the 1971 Bangladesh liberation struggle, the India Bangladesh Joint Command forces or Mitro Bahini (alliance army, an alliance between Indian Army and Bangladesh Liberation forces such as Muktibahini and Mujibbahini) as it is called by Bengalis, provided the final push in what was already a widespread guerrilla struggle. The huge role of the Bangladesh forces was stressed yesterday by Abhay Krishna, the current General Officer Commander-in-Chief (GOC-in-C), Eastern Command of the Indian Army in the “Victory Day” function in Kolkata.

There was widespread intelligence on the ground that Pakistani Army didn’t have. Huge swathes of East Bengal were held by local freedom fighter armies controlled either by various left-wing groups and pro-Awami League groups such as Tangail’s Kaderia Bahini led by Bongobir Kader “Bagha” Siddiqui. Then there was widespread sabotage of Pakistani installations including the daring amphibious attack by Bengali freedom fighters on the Chittagong port that crucially disabled the Pakistani Navy and supplies including oil. Muktibahini units fought alongside the Indian Army as part of the joint command during the final push.


In fact, the first attack in that final assault was done by the rudimentary Bangladesh air force. And all this happened in the context of years of Bengali nationalist political mobilisation in Bangladesh. To reduce this to an Indian Army versus Pakistani Army war may suit certain narratives, but it certainly doesn’t match historical facts on the ground that are well-documented for anyone who would care to look. And nothing established this fact more clearly that the text of the final surrender document of the Pakistani forces that occurred in Dhaka on 16th December, 1971, at the Race Course ground. The full text of that document is reproduced below.

“Instrument of Surrender
Signed on December 16, 1971

The PAKISTAN Eastern Command agree to surrender all PAKISTAN Armed Forces in BANGLA DESH to Lieutenant-General Jagjit Singh Aurora, General Officer Commanding of the Indian and BANGLA DESHI forces in the Eastern Theatre. This surrender includes all PAKISTAN land, air and naval forces as also all para-military forces and civil armed forces. These forces will lay down their arms and surrender at the places where they are currently located to the nearest regular troops under the command of Lieutenant-General JAGJIT SINGH AURORA.
The PAKISTAN Eastern Command shall come under the orders of Lieutenant-General JAGJIT SINGH AURORA as soon as this instrument has been signed. Disobedience of orders will be regarded as a breach of the surrender terms and will be dealt with in accordance with the accepted laws and usage of war. The decision of Lieutenant-



General JAGJIT SINGH AURORA will be final, should any doubt arise as to the meaning or interpretation of the surrender terms.
Lieutenant-General JAGJIT SINGH AURORA gives a solemn assurance that personnel who surrender shall be treated with dignity and respect that soldiers are entitled to in accordance with the provisions of the GENEVA Convention and guarantees the safety and well-being of all PAKISTAN military and para-military forces who surrender. Protection will be provided to foreign nationals, ethnic minorities and personnel of WEST PAKISTAN origin by the forces under the command of Lieutenant-General JAGJIT SINGH AURORA.

[Signature]
(JAGJIT SINGH AURORA)
Lieutenant-General
General Officer Commanding in Chief
Indian and BANGLA DESH Forces in the
Eastern Theatre

[Signature]
(AMIR ABDULLAH KHAN NIAZI)
Lieutenant-General
Martial Law Administrator Zone
Commander Eastern Command (PAKISTAN)”



Nowhere is the term “Indian Army” mentioned in this Instrument of Surrender. Spreading of misinformation from an official Twitter account of ADGPI, Indian Army is a serious matter since the ADGPI is entrusted with the function of “Public Relation (PR) activities, Media Relations and Monitoring, Info release, Publicity, Image Projection and Perception Management (PM). It primarily aims to establish conditions that lead to confidence in our Army and its readiness to conduct ops in peacetime and war.”



Surely, in such efforts, truth should not be a casualty in an army formed under the aegis of a constitution whose motto is “Satyameva Jayate” (Truth always wins). This is also in violation of the “Policy on use of Social Media by All Ranks in the Indian Army” which has been posted by the Facebook account of the ADGPI, Indian Army, which clearly states: “Users of social media, both serving and veterans are cautioned to verify the facts before accepting before accepting content circulation in Social Media as truth”. Does this not apply to the people running the official ADGPI social media accounts themselves?

Why is it so important that the Joint Command was mentioned in the surrender document and not the Indian Army, as ADGPI would like Indian citizens to believe? Firstly, that was the reality. But from the New Delhi stand-point in 1971, this was much more than a technicality. New Delhi always maintained during its feverish diplomatic efforts in the United Nation and various capitals that it was not the aggressor (which was Pakistan’s constant charge) and that they were merely assisting the already existing armed liberation struggle in the context of a huge refugee influx when no other way was left and that too after Pakistan’s declaration of war.

New Delhi maintained this as its position till the very end. In fact, this is why it is said that Indira Gandhi insisted that the first assault in the Eastern front happen by the hand of a Bengali liberation force. This is the now legendary air sortie. Today, when America is Narendra Modi's dear friend, it is easy to forget the Cold-war politics at the United Nations, when the Soviet Union siding with India and Bangladesh was crucial to the success of the liberation struggle and keeping out China and USA from direct involvement in the Bangladesh war, thus averting a multi-front struggle that would be disastrous.

In 1971, if the Indian Army claimed that it went in to defeat Pakistan Army all by itself and hand over East Bengal to Bangladeshis, it would have been disastrous. Thankfully, the Indian Army was not in the business of making random claims and quasi-political statements in public forum and TV shows for public consumption. It let the civilian government do the talking, as it should, as per the Constitution. The Indian Army is not an autonomous institution and is squarely under the Ministry of Defence just like any other Union government entity is under its corresponding ministry.


Such statements by the Indian Army may also have consequences. The obvious one is, of course, that Indian citizens are being fed misinformation about the past of the army they pay for by that very army. But outside the Indian Union, in the People's Republic of Bangladesh, a crypto-Islamist narrative exists that uses every opportunity to play down and dilute the crucial role of the Indian Army in the Bangladesh liberation struggle using various conspiracy theories.

Misinformation propagated by official Indian Army sources only adds credibility to the mischievous and communally inspired conspiracy theory peddlers for whom the Hindus of Bangladesh are essentially leftover Indian citizens and the role of the Indian Army in the liberation struggle is synonymous with some “Hindu” role in the liberation struggle that does not fit their narrative. The government of the People’s Republic of Bangladesh is trying to fight these kinds of communal elements and this sort of false claim by the Indian Army puts the government in a very tough spot. Delhi does not exactly have a good reputation in Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka. Recently, Maldives switched to the Chinese camp. New Delhi might want to do a bit of honest soul-searching about why this is the case.

The misinformation that the ADGPI is part of a larger narrative that exists in the Indian Union’s domestic space. In the Indian Union, the 1971 liberation war has a certain crypto-communal subtext, as being a reversal of the 1947 religion based Partition. It is looked upon as a negation of the Two-Nation theory with the result of that being a validation of the favourite Hindu nationalist “Akhand Bharat” or One Nation idea. But the reality is, 1971 didn’t reverse 1947. East Bengal didn’t join the Indian Union after 1971. It charted its own path, demonstrating that the reality of South Asia is not of one composite nationality or two religion-based nationalities, but of multiple language based nationalities.
https://www.firstpost.com/india/ind...on-puts-bangladesh-govt-in-tight-spot-4263051

there were no bengalis on the western front, whic was where the war started.