President Obama to visit Pakistan - reports on Pakistan media

[RescueRanger]

Problem is your id shows PAK flag ...you seriously think anyone would buy a 'trust me' from you?



You forget the key difference. The jihadis need your coas and president, so lets them live ( as long as they do their bidding). POTUS is considered enemy by both Pak establishment and jihadis, due to drones and other reasons.

I don't mean to brag but we have helped safeguard your former president when he visited Pakistan. Trust me Obama is far more popular than George W ever was. He will be fine.

 

[Winchester]

Whats with all the excitement ???

Its not as if his visit will open new avenues of cooperation btw the two countries
Most likely it would be just a short stop of symbolic value and nothing else
People in Pakistan are not that keen on him visiting
He is not the Chinese President

 

[FuturePAF]

The best time for Obama to visit would be on the heels of a landmark economic/infrastructure project that most Pakistanis agree upon, and boost their ego vis a vi a similar status item as India (although focusing on something pakistan needs on its own merits would be more practical/useful)

Also not something that is presented as "Aid"/"grant" money that will be raised up in public and used to shame pakistan when chits needs to be called in (i.e. remember when we gave you this)

A sort of new dimension/definition to the Pakistani-American relationship; something substantive; something that says "we stand with you to help you develop and we respect your own cultural development to combat under-development and terrorism; a stronger united Pakistan that is economically strong and trading with its neighbors is in America's Interest"

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Also he may want to arrive or leave during daylight, so their are PR photos to say he was their in broad daylight, and did not just hop in and hop out under the cover of night; Clinton style

To the credit of the Pakistan Army, Bush was in Islamabad during daylight hours; Big American and Pakistani Flag side by side, and they provided security just fine

 

[rockstar08]

You are most welcome to visit Mr. President ...
we have lots of Pakistani Food for ya , Chicken Biryani and Bihari Tikka

 

[Not Sure]

@rockstar08 What is Bihari Tikka??

 

[airmarshal]

If this is true, this is going to be a serious admission of Pakistan's importance in the region. Also its also an acknowledgement that Pakistan has a key role to play in Afghanistan.

Indian might try its level best but it only in Afghanistan to create trouble for Pakistan. The US has been quietly distancing itself from being seen as protecting anti-Pakistan assets in Afghanistan. Both Pakistan & Afghanistan have realized real peace lied in good ties of both countries without entertaining India, whose core interest is to create trouble for Pakistan and to keep it unstable.

 

[rockstar08]

@rockstar08 What is Bihari Tikka??

 

[Shot-Caller]

Problem is your id shows PAK flag ...you seriously think anyone would buy a 'trust me' from you?



You forget the key difference. The jihadis need your coas and president, so lets them live ( as long as they do their bidding). POTUS is considered enemy by both Pak establishment and jihadis, due to drones and other reasons.

Run false flagger run.

Whats with all the excitement ???

Its not as if his visit will open new avenues of cooperation btw the two countries
Most likely it would be just a short stop of symbolic value and nothing else
People in Pakistan are not that keen on him visiting
He is not the Chinese President

Exactly. Might irritate the Indians a little but that's it.

 

[Viper0011.]

I do think pakistan should do whatever it takes to mend itself and its relations with the U.S.

But there's no way pakistan can protect Obama if he visits there. PAK army itself cannot safeguard its own bases, how are they going to protect visitors,especially the U.S. president .

Anyway this is probably wishful thinking by somebody in Pakistan to feel the waters

How much do you know about Pakistan, its Army and safeguarding anyone for that matter? You forgot, President Busch had played "cricket" in Islamabad with kids, when the WOT was in full swing.

I know parts of Pakistan are troubled but your post makes it sounds like the POTUS may be going in jungles around the Amazon totally unsecured. Also, if you pay attention to terrorism or even the US forces experience in Iraq and Afghanistan, its very difficult to protect yourself from the terrorists in Civilian disguise, as its not an open war. Similarly, do you expect the Pakistani military or anyone to kill everyone passing by its bases? NO. And if a few of these passing by civilians are terrorists in hiding, how do you protect yourself from that attack? You can't. No one can. Until the entire terrorism base is cleansed out, destroyed and these terrorist bastard*s killed.

Do remember, how we look at Pakistan due to many current and historical reasons may be different than how they've dealt with terrorism. They've lost over 40,000 soldiers and civilians in this war. In the beginning, they were fighting with us, no matter how many questions and suspicions we may have, that is the reality and a factor the US government always considers. Now, they are fighting to clean up their country from this cancer of terrorism and the entire globe supports them.

BTW, the POTUS's security is a responsibility of the very capable United States Secret Service. Not a Joe Shmoe on the street. The USSS doesn't allow any foreign body to create, implement or secure OUR Presidents security. The SS guys do it and they've been doing it for centuries. Our presidents have been to actual war zones and back. I don't think going to Islamabad is uncontrollable risk. The risk is a little bit more than what any POTUS would face in India, China or other foreign countries. We are not liked by a major part of the world due to our freedom, open society and our economy's power, just to remind you of it.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

This rumor of Obama visiting Pakistan was rejected by FO yesterday. End of fake story.

However Kerry will be visiting Pakistan later this month.

 

[Jit]

How much do you know about Pakistan, its Army and safeguarding anyone for that matter? You forgot, President Busch had played "cricket" in Islamabad with kids, when the WOT was in full swing.

I know parts of Pakistan are troubled but your post makes it sounds like the POTUS may be going in jungles around the Amazon totally unsecured. Also, if you pay attention to terrorism or even the US forces experience in Iraq and Afghanistan, its very difficult to protect yourself from the terrorists in Civilian disguise, as its not an open war. Similarly, do you expect the Pakistani military or anyone to kill everyone passing by its bases? NO. And if a few of these passing by civilians are terrorists in hiding, how do you protect yourself from that attack? You can't. No one can. Until the entire terrorism base is cleansed out, destroyed and these terrorist bastard*s killed.

Do remember, how we look at Pakistan due to many current and historical reasons may be different than how they've dealt with terrorism. They've lost over 40,000 soldiers and civilians in this war. In the beginning, they were fighting with us, no matter how many questions and suspicions we may have, that is the reality and a factor the US government always considers. Now, they are fighting to clean up their country from this cancer of terrorism and the entire globe supports them.

BTW, the POTUS's security is a responsibility of the very capable United States Secret Service. Not a Joe Shmoe on the street. The USSS doesn't allow any foreign body to create, implement or secure OUR Presidents security. The SS guys do it and they've been doing it for centuries. Our presidents have been to actual war zones and back. I don't think going to Islamabad is uncontrollable risk. The risk is a little bit more than what any POTUS would face in India, China or other foreign countries. We are not liked by a major part of the world due to our freedom, open society and our economy's power, just to remind you of it.

such misplaced wishful thinking. Look at what you wrote and I highlighted. Does that sound like Pak army can or wants to control the jihadis?

Yes the way Pakistan looks and deals with terrorism is different from anyother alright. They create support find train and sustain it. When terrorism is that country's primary strategy is there any surprise they are unable and unwilling to control jihadi terrorists?

forget it. let's hope the Kerry visit goes smoothly and het gets back in one piece.

 

[Viper0011.]

such misplaced wishful thinking. Look at what you wrote and I highlighted. Does that sound like Pak army can or wants to control the jihadis?

Yes the way Pakistan looks and deals with terrorism is different from anyother alright. They create support find train and sustain it. When terrorism is that country's primary strategy is there any surprise they are unable and unwilling to control jihadi terrorists?
forget it. let's hope the Kerry visit goes smoothly and het gets back in one piece.

You sound like an Indian guy hiding behind the US flags. You've discounted everything (Facts) I provided you. Yet, you have no reasonable understanding of how the system works. Reading your posts, here is the message I am getting from you, NO ONE from the US government should go to Pakistan and that Pakistan is a terrorist country.

Has their Army played a double role in terms of securing their national security? Yes, I think everyone knows it. But does that mean that the US hasn't gotten anything out of its relationship and in WOT? I think it'd be silly to make assumptions by being an internet warrior like yourself.

From your bold part above, describe terrorism to me? Terrorism to me is when you risk human lives through fear and terror. Now go to youtube and put in, "Hindu extremists killing Christians", "Hindu extremists killing Muslims", and "RSS forcefully converting people to Hinduism" or "Indian Army raping kashmiri women and killing childre", etc. You'll find thousands of videos. The Indian Army supports just as many Hindu terrorists as the PA supported Taliban. You can also google this too. You can also change the Hindus with Christians in Serbia and see the graphical images on all that sad, terrorism that happens across the globe.

So why is it that the we tolerate Hindu terrorism or whatever else, but scream only when Islamic terrorism kills people? To me, both cases justify to be equally called terrorism. So why the differentiation and focus on one and ignore the other? Why Ignore one human right's violation but just focus on the other one? To me all humans are the same and anyone who terrorized any innocent being is a terrorist, irrespective of their race, color or religion.

Back to the main point of this thread, the Indian Army supports its own nationalists (RSS, BJP, Shiv Sena), who kill other religions as you'll see on Utube, burns villages with people burnt live or killed in other ways. Similarly, PA supported Taliban terrrorists (and have paid a heavy price for it and now they are cleaning the mess).
POTUS should go to both countries. That is the ONLY way to ensure both the countries stay peaceful and reduce their human rights violations.

 

[ganesh177]

If this is true, this is going to be a serious admission of Pakistan's importance in the region. Also its also an acknowledgement that Pakistan has a key role to play in Afghanistan.

rofl

Dont you know he is coming to attend indian republic day celebrations and on the trip back he may stop by to pakistan.
Personally i dont like this idea of visiting pakistan and india in one go. If obama really wants to visit pakistan then he should plan the seperate schedule with some substantial agenda for the visit. Its insulting to pakistan to visit like this. Or does he not think pakistan to be that important to allocate a independent schedule for a visit ?

 

[airmarshal]

The risk is a little bit more than what any POTUS would face in India, China or other foreign countries. We are not liked by a major part of the world due to our freedom, open society and our economy's power, just to remind you of it.

I agree with most of the post you wrote but this one made me chuckle. A very uninformed American bravado. People dislike you because you invade other countries and interfere in their internal affairs.

 

[Viper0011.]

I agree with most of the post you wrote but this one made me chuckle. A very uninformed American bravado. People dislike you because you invade other countries and interfere in their internal affairs.

People who....?? Are you talking about the people from countries where their payroll and salaries are provided by the US tax payer's money? Well, if the US tax payer is paying to run a country, I think you can be rest assured that US will have some involvement in there. It'll be the case for everyone else.
There are a second type of countries....the countries where global peace, trade routes or terrorism is causing issues for other countries and societies. I think as the Only super power and a big country, the US will try to do something to fix the situation.
Have you ever checked how much money goes to under developed countries from the US tax payer in aid and direct help to places like Sudan, Uganda, Zimbabwe, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc, etc? If you check it out, the numbers will blow your mind. The American nation provides the most support outside of the US government to fellow human beings across the globe. Please research before posting crap!