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Pres Biden announces new $800M weapons package for Ukraine at NATO summit
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Great. Keep using your tax dollars to fund wars around the world while your citizens live and die miserably.
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Homeless make up less than a quarter of 1% of the population in the US. Very few people here are truly poor.
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These 2 NASAMs systems make up around 18-24 launchers. These should really help Ukraine with cruise missile defense.
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Here is what wikipedia shows:
Figures listed as "Active" only include equipment that circulated in (Russian) active service.
Russian armed forces
And US instead of sending 800M worth of towed artillery and 800M of ammo. US sends minimal amount of ADS, radars, and lots of ammo.
If this does not add up to you. Then you figured out Biden wants this war to continue month after month, year after year. Same with trump buddy Putin.
In a war with China is the US in desperate need of towed artillery. Especially since Trump wanted to abandon south korea. No.
US should at a minimum send 600 towed artillery to Ukraine. And urge NATO allies to match this. So over 1000 artillery units vs >18000 Russian artillery. And then place orders to make hundreds a year to get stock comparable to Russia.
Tanks are expensive sitting targets. Needed for counter offensive. So send these later in the war. M1a1s and Bradleys. 1/4 of the supply of each. Over 1K each to capture Crimea.
China is winning over the non-NATO globe, while Washington sits on their hands and mainly sends ammo for very few artillery sent. If this does not make sense, you figured out Washington wants this war to cause inflation, cause EU trouble, cause misery as Washington goals of a global trackable, traceable digital currency that became a SEC commodity a few days ago. Why is the US letting the non-NATO globe fall into the lap of China by not defending Ukraine and Europe, showing deliberate weakness.
US is letting the rest of the globe be on China's side, have war with China, shake away friends of China after chinese crushing defeat. Have trump puppet Russia be the leader of the non-NATO countries.
India
Saudi Arabia
Iran
Egypt
and so on.
Is China going to fall for the trap of war with US or does China want peace. With siding with Putin, looks like China is falling for the trap of war.
US tripping over themselves for a war with China. Presently a war to defend Europe, US sends dozens of equipment units to fight Russian 50K equipment units.
The US does not want to spook China in a crushing Russian defeat. Russia knows this and is taking advantage of NATO.
US cares little about Europe. Wants war with China.
www.express.co.uk
China don't fall for the US trap of war with the US, the US is handing you the globe to own (xNATO) by this Ukraine conflict. Take it and keep it. This destroys the US plan of let Putin destroy Europe. It means if Ukraine loses, Washington loses. If Ukraine loses and China falls for the trap of war, then China fell for the bait. Take the globe that Washington is handing you and keep it. Promote peace, prosperity, and partnerships.
François Bujon de l'Estang... The former ambassador added that Mr Trump was a “jingoist who sees the EU as a major threat to American supremacy,” and that the Brussels bloc would have to follow his lead by putting “Europe first”.
Figures listed as "Active" only include equipment that circulated in (Russian) active service.
Russian armed forces
| Type | Active | Reserve |
|---|---|---|
| Main battle tanks | 2,800[115] | ≈16,500[116][117] |
| Infantry fighting vehicles | 5,160[115] | ≈19,500[115] |
| Armoured personnel carriers | 6,100[115] | ≈18,000+[115] |
| Towed artillery | 150[115] | ≈12,415[115] |
| Self-propelled artillery | 1,610[115] | ≈4,260[115] |
| Rocket artillery | 1,352[118] | |
| SAM systems | 2,531[119] |
And US instead of sending 800M worth of towed artillery and 800M of ammo. US sends minimal amount of ADS, radars, and lots of ammo.
If this does not add up to you. Then you figured out Biden wants this war to continue month after month, year after year. Same with trump buddy Putin.
In a war with China is the US in desperate need of towed artillery. Especially since Trump wanted to abandon south korea. No.
US should at a minimum send 600 towed artillery to Ukraine. And urge NATO allies to match this. So over 1000 artillery units vs >18000 Russian artillery. And then place orders to make hundreds a year to get stock comparable to Russia.
Tanks are expensive sitting targets. Needed for counter offensive. So send these later in the war. M1a1s and Bradleys. 1/4 of the supply of each. Over 1K each to capture Crimea.
China is winning over the non-NATO globe, while Washington sits on their hands and mainly sends ammo for very few artillery sent. If this does not make sense, you figured out Washington wants this war to cause inflation, cause EU trouble, cause misery as Washington goals of a global trackable, traceable digital currency that became a SEC commodity a few days ago. Why is the US letting the non-NATO globe fall into the lap of China by not defending Ukraine and Europe, showing deliberate weakness.
US is letting the rest of the globe be on China's side, have war with China, shake away friends of China after chinese crushing defeat. Have trump puppet Russia be the leader of the non-NATO countries.
India
Saudi Arabia
Iran
Egypt
and so on.
Is China going to fall for the trap of war with US or does China want peace. With siding with Putin, looks like China is falling for the trap of war.
US tripping over themselves for a war with China. Presently a war to defend Europe, US sends dozens of equipment units to fight Russian 50K equipment units.
The US does not want to spook China in a crushing Russian defeat. Russia knows this and is taking advantage of NATO.
US cares little about Europe. Wants war with China.
‘In Trump’s US the EU is a rival’ President has ‘no interest'
DONALD Trump is “not interested” in maintaining close relations with the European Union, the former French ambassador to the US has declared.
China don't fall for the US trap of war with the US, the US is handing you the globe to own (xNATO) by this Ukraine conflict. Take it and keep it. This destroys the US plan of let Putin destroy Europe. It means if Ukraine loses, Washington loses. If Ukraine loses and China falls for the trap of war, then China fell for the bait. Take the globe that Washington is handing you and keep it. Promote peace, prosperity, and partnerships.
François Bujon de l'Estang... The former ambassador added that Mr Trump was a “jingoist who sees the EU as a major threat to American supremacy,” and that the Brussels bloc would have to follow his lead by putting “Europe first”.
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Yet the problems are plentiful.
This money allocated to this manufactured conflict in Ukraine is better spent elsewhere in the United States.
800 million dollars can fill up alot of pot holes.
Or you know upgrade other more important infrastructure and such.
Or maybe reduce the burden on ordinary American reeling from inflation.
Trump was better than Sleepy Joe that is for damn sure.
US Will Face High Gas Prices ‘as Long as It Takes,’ Biden Says
www.bloomberg.com
"US President Joe Biden said Americans will have to stomach high gas prices “as long as it takes” to beat back Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine."
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Reporting on a new $800M weapons package for Ukraine is absolutely relevant news. This is a defense forum after all.
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Military watch magazine does not show the older tanks, artillery and IFVs.
And still those numbers are staggering
militarywatchmagazine.com
US sends peanuts. Thousands of tanks are required to fight in counteroffensive. Thousands of artillery are required to fight tens of thousands of tanks, artillery and IFVs.
It is difficult to counter attack with only infantry shoulder weapons. Ukraine needs overwhelming fire power and US sends only dozens that can easily be taken out in a few airstrikes or artillery strikes.
www.newsweek.com
Russia has over 50K of the most important ground offensive equipment: tanks, artillery and IFVs. Sending a few dozen to Ukraine is telling.
Warmongering against China for 4 years, trying to provoke nuclear power China into a war for 4 years. Then when Europe is facing devastation, a few dozen artillery, a few dozen ADS, a few hundred troop carriers. And plenty of rounds for a whole lot of nothing.
Biden is more of the same of Trump, does not care for Europe, with Biden is the con, with Trump, Trump openly said Europe is a rival to the US.
www.politico.eu
And still those numbers are staggering
Military Watch Magazine
Military Watch is a provider of reliable and insightful analysis into military and military related affairs across the world.
militarywatchmagazine.com
US sends peanuts. Thousands of tanks are required to fight in counteroffensive. Thousands of artillery are required to fight tens of thousands of tanks, artillery and IFVs.
It is difficult to counter attack with only infantry shoulder weapons. Ukraine needs overwhelming fire power and US sends only dozens that can easily be taken out in a few airstrikes or artillery strikes.
Russians Reportedly Wipe Out Howitzers Sent From U.S. to Ukraine in Latest Strikes
Russians Reportedly Wipe Out Howitzers Sent From U.S. to Ukraine
Russian military officials say their missiles targeted U.S.-supplied howitzers being moved by Ukrainian forces.
www.newsweek.com
Russia has over 50K of the most important ground offensive equipment: tanks, artillery and IFVs. Sending a few dozen to Ukraine is telling.
Warmongering against China for 4 years, trying to provoke nuclear power China into a war for 4 years. Then when Europe is facing devastation, a few dozen artillery, a few dozen ADS, a few hundred troop carriers. And plenty of rounds for a whole lot of nothing.
Biden is more of the same of Trump, does not care for Europe, with Biden is the con, with Trump, Trump openly said Europe is a rival to the US.
Trump: EU is one of United States’ biggest foes
Trump: EU is one of United States’ biggest foes
Remarks come a day ahead of meeting with Russian president.
www.politico.eu
Biden Is No Trump But the EU Still Doesn’t Trust the U.S.
Joe Biden may be more straightforward, but across the EU, leaders still believe America’s political system is broken.
www.thedailybeast.com
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They need to clean the Undertaker/Austin Powers-type new threads that are 50 cent garbage.
With no new article, simply garbage opinion. Celebrating Putin's war on Europe being the death of Europe. So starting a Ukraine thread with no news, to cheer the death of Europe. 50 cent trash. Here is one example:
Let's celebrate the Death of Europe
EU is made of a bunch of racist colonial countries who have been sucking the blood of poor countries in Asia, Africa and South America. Thanks to Hilter/Germany and WWII most of the countries were able to get some independence but EU continues to suck the blood of these poor Global South...
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Knee jerk excitement when the fools are getting played.
Give 50 cents to MeFishToo for taking the bait of these Undertaker-type threads with no value or significance.
And I was perfectly correct on how the enemy of Europe is Trump/Putin. The Trump/Putin partnership went after Europe before it went after China. And China sides with Trump.
The Trumptards are with Russia vs Europe. And the British Brexiters/British Crown who back Trump are too. And China is with the Trumpers vs Europe. Take out the EU, the enemy of the Pompeo cia, is the agenda of China.
China already gaslight Europe in saying if Europe gets nuked by Russia, blame yourselves. If you say that is not an enemy, then you are insane, China made itself the enemy of those fighting Trump in Europe. And made China ally of the Trump/Pompeo cia to destroy Europe.
China warns of ‘unimaginable consequences’ if nuclear power is forced into a corner
Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Le Yucheng has blamed NATO for stoking the instability that eventually led to the Russia-Ukraine conflict
China supported many of the US wars in the MENA in the UN. So this China victim is a complete sham. Trump wants a recall on the post-1945 global order where the Trump Dynasty, backed by British conservative Brexiters and Putin rule the globe is the new global (dis)order. The EU is the enemy of that.
Europe is fully aware of this.
NATO is the enemy of China and Trump because NATO is focused on destroying Trump backed Russia.
Trump chose Russia over Europe. Both Russia and Trump campaigned against EU and were backers and behind the brexiters. Take out the EU. Take out China. Europeans were aware that we had to stand with China to have friends and partners vs Trump/brexiters/Putin who sought to destroy the EU and a successful Europe. China sided with Putin in the war on Europe, and thus the axis of evil is interesting: Trump/British Crown/Putin/China vs the EU. With India, Iran, Venezuela and Palestinians on the side of Trump. US can shut down China, Iran, Venezuela, Palestine, anti-government Qanon idiots with a crushing defeat of Russia. And be the victors for the first time since the gulf war. Set the rules based order around isolating China and Russia. Yet Washington wants to destroy both Europe and China. Not only China.
Trump suggested withdrawing US from NATO: report
Trump Brags He Threatened to Not Defend NATO Allies From Russia
Trump Brags He Threatened to Not Defend NATO Allies From Russia
The former president said that NATO members were not paying enough to defend themselves.
www.newsweek.com
Using the excuse of some NATO not spending 2% on defense, trump wanted to use that excuse to not defend NATO Europe when Russia attacks Europe. The EU, the designated foe of Trump vs Trump buddy Putin.
Garbage threads about "bad whitey"
Let's celebrate the Death of Europe
EU is made of a bunch of racist colonial countries who have been sucking the blood of poor countries in Asia, Africa and South America. Thanks to Hilter/Germany and WWII most of the countries were able to get some independence but EU continues to suck the blood of these poor Global South...
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Typical 50 cent argument. US starts wars, therefore US is not the problem - "NATO Europe and Europeans are the problem" vomits the 50 centers. When France was opposed to the Iraq War. When Europe welcomed refugees by the millions. "It was not Bush and Trump that were the problem", "whitey is the problem", those Chinese with white skin are the problem - they have white skin - they are whitey too. 50 cent troll negative IQ comments to trash Europe, and it plays into the Trump agenda.
The only thing I don't have sourced is the British queen backed brexit. Only an expert would find this out by linking the Queen to MI6 and looking the other way and allowing Pompeo's Trump campaign for brexit in the UK with no condemnation. There are other arguments, this is one of the stronger ones.
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Yes that's correct. Rest of us are barely staying above the water.
You moron. Even six figs are not enough to life a comfy life on either coasts. And Mid-West is fast caving in.
The South maybe immune but it has more poverty. Less opportunities and flight/exodus from West and East Coast might actually drive up cost of living in South too.
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