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POTD: POF G3 Rifles From Pakistan

Building a rifle isn't a rocket science but wo lack determination,sometimes i dream of having a system made by Pakistan on wiki and in operators section several countries as operators:undecided:
its the lack of foresight of the Military high command that controls POF, HIT and same way navy's for Shipyard and MTC.....

We badly need to put Sohail Amman in Ministry of Defence Production to give them same danda he gave to PAF high command and PAC!

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Quwa @Bilal Khan 777
 
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its the lack of foresight of the Military high command that controls POF, HIT and same way navy's for Shipyard and MTC.....

We badly need to put Sohail Amman in Ministry of Defence Production to give them same danda he gave to PAF high command and PAC!

@Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Quwa @Bilal Khan 777
Unfortunately, the problem might be too big for the armed forces leadership to handle alone. The PAF could desire as much as localization as it wants, but if the underlying industrial inputs needed for that aren't in Pakistan, then we will continue importing from somewhere.
 
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Unfortunately, the problem might be too big for the armed forces leadership to handle alone. The PAF could desire as much as localization as it wants, but if the underlying industrial inputs needed for that aren't in Pakistan, then we will continue importing from somewhere.
then the simple solution is to build them ourselves, those capabilities off course that we lack!

Take the example of Aviation City and AvDI.......Thats why i said, we need an Ambitious guy like Sohail Aman in MoDP to can ensure all that by giving them the required danda to ''make them'' build such capability!
 
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We used to call Darra people Cavemen, and those Cavemen build AKs with bare hands ..... the younger generation came they studied, learned new techniques....they have got themselves new machines and boy they are building something good.....Use of CNC machines in small arms factories has done wonders, we are able to manufacture comples designs.....Moonstar arms has successfully cloned Grand Power X caliber which has a very complex rotating barrel design.....we are building MGL 40mm locally, so i really am surprised to hear that POF is still unable to build a damn new rifle
 
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its the lack of foresight of the Military high command that controls POF, HIT and same way navy's for Shipyard and MTC.....

We badly need to put Sohail Amman in Ministry of Defence Production to give them same danda he gave to PAF high command and PAC!
Unfortunately, the problem might be too big for the armed forces leadership to handle alone. The PAF could desire as much as localization as it wants, but if the underlying industrial inputs needed for that aren't in Pakistan, then we will continue importing from somewhere.
Doesn't matters how much qualified and professional you are,you would always be incapable of handling someone's else profession,a segment of our society has hard time learning that.
These all industries of work of professionals,if today all these are pushed to run on strict commerical basis with 0 Govt support they would excel in no time.Over there everyone knows
KAM KAROO NA KAROO,INPUT DOU NA DOU MONTH KAI END PAR SALARY MILEY GEE.
 
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IMO the Agosta 90B is a prototypical example of our authorities not clearly or openly communicating the facts.

The 'ToT' in as far as building those submarines was provided, i.e., DCNS -- in its capacity as a shipbuilder -- gave KSEW the means to build those subs.

But what DCNS isn't is the dozens of subcontractors who had been tasked to provide the steel, engines and electronics for those submarines. There was no way Pakistan would get ToT for every one of those inputs. Be it France, Germany or now China, we're not getting all of the inputs, our ToT is confined to KSEW taking the materials (from imports) and manufacturing them according to the OEM's specs.

Once we're done with the Chinese submarines, we'll be exactly where we had started unless we master the inputs, or at least some of them (e.g. steel).

To truly localize our shipbuilding, we need to Project Azm our surface warship and submarine programs. In other words, we need to pursue original design work and invest in locally developing the core inputs (e.g., steel, electronics). One way to do this is to work with someone on a similar track, e.g., Turkey.

Turkey's STM has its own submarine design project. It's in the conceptual phase and will be a while before it materializes, but it's the right direction. We can join them and learn together. I feel we might not even be far from such a direction, e.g., ASFAT will help MTC design an original frigate, Jinnah Class.

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Hence asad umar mentioning that steel mills has complete integration in all industry and needs to be upgraded ...
Military cant learn how to make steels...you need separate entities to develop these skills and than integrate them ...
 
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IMO the Agosta 90B is a prototypical example of our authorities not clearly or openly communicating the facts.

The 'ToT' in as far as building those submarines was provided, i.e., DCNS -- in its capacity as a shipbuilder -- gave KSEW the means to build those subs.

But what DCNS isn't is the dozens of subcontractors who had been tasked to provide the steel, engines and electronics for those submarines. There was no way Pakistan would get ToT for every one of those inputs. Be it France, Germany or now China, we're not getting all of the inputs, our ToT is confined to KSEW taking the materials (from imports) and manufacturing them according to the OEM's specs.

Once we're done with the Chinese submarines, we'll be exactly where we had started unless we master the inputs, or at least some of them (e.g. steel).

To truly localize our shipbuilding, we need to Project Azm our surface warship and submarine programs. In other words, we need to pursue original design work and invest in locally developing the core inputs (e.g., steel, electronics). One way to do this is to work with someone on a similar track, e.g., Turkey.

Turkey's STM has its own submarine design project. It's in the conceptual phase and will be a while before it materializes, but it's the right direction. We can join them and learn together. I feel we might not even be far from such a direction, e.g., ASFAT will help MTC design an original frigate, Jinnah Class.

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Sir, learn from your friends .. You have friendship higher than olympus mons and deeper than Mariana trench.... but what have you have learned from them... NADA.
Definitely there is no free lunch in the world but there is something called reverse-engineering: a CMM, a gas spectrum analyser, a few electron microscopes go a long way.... all comes back to the vision of the top leadership. China is ruled by some of the most educated people of her nation same goes for Singapore, South Korea... and who ruled Pakistan.. the max education was in political science etc.
 
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Doesn't matters how much qualified and professional you are,you would always be incapable of handling someone's else profession,a segment of our society has hard time learning that.
These all industries of work of professionals,if today all these are pushed to run on strict commerical basis with 0 Govt support they would excel in no time.Over there everyone knows
KAM KAROO NA KAROO,INPUT DOU NA DOU MONTH KAI END PAR SALARY MILEY GEE.
Sorry bro.lets be friends.
 
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Sir, learn from your friends .. You have friendship higher than olympus mons and deeper than Mariana trench.... but what have you have learned from them... NADA.
Definitely there is no free lunch in the world but there is something called reverse-engineering: a CMM, a gas spectrum analyser, a few electron microscopes go a long way.... all comes back to the vision of the top leadership. China is ruled by some of the most educated people of her nation same goes for Singapore, South Korea... and who ruled Pakistan.. the max education was in political science etc.
You start from bottom to top..ensure that you have universities, skilled manpower and everything you need..it requires political will and simply cannot be liberal economy

For the first time the PM understand the problem..how he mentions things were destroyed in 1960s..will he be able to implement it is the question
 
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You start from bottom to top..ensure that you have universities, skilled manpower and everything you need..it requires political will and simply cannot be liberal economy
No, I disagree. In Asia, it always works from top to bottom and rarely vice-versa. If you get lucky and get the competent leadership on the top, your nation will go up. China got Mao-Ze Dong, Singapore got Lee Kuwan Yu, Malaysia got Mahathir and under their vision these nations progressed. Europe/West is a different story due much longer history education, advancement in the field of science and industrialisation.

For the first time the PM understand the problem.
That's a good start. At least he knows the problem

how he mentions things were destroyed in 1960s
No, 1960's was perhaps the best era for Pakistan since it was doing great on all indicators and that's what IK claims in his speeches as well. It was destroyed in 70's and the onslaught continues onwards.

will he be able to implement it is the question
That's an important question and I'm not sure if he has taken sufficient steps. I mean who is his education minister? why people like Dr. Atta ur Rehman have not been given any responsibility in this setup? so I'm not very hopeful but let's what happens. I feel this system won't work for long. It has failed miserably and if the nation wants to progress and even survive, it has to get rid of this crappy system and even if IK has to go, he should ago as well. The country is a lot more important than an individual be it Ayyub, ZAB or IK.
 
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