Possible Russian S-400 sale to India and Pakistan's Response.

[GumNaam]

indian army is still present

as far as ability to strike deep i have one word "Operation Gibraltar"

Indian army is present these but just got the crap bombed out of it.

And your right about operation Gibraltar. For it was the seeds sown by operation Gibraltar that iok burns to this day and keeps getting intense. So glad you agree with me.

 

[Photon]

mtcr means and enforces that the signatories will enforce they dont export missiles or missile components will a range of 300km. india will need some kind of waiver

US trident ICBMs on British submarines,

 

[wiseone2]

Indian army is present these but just got the crap bombed out of it.

And your right about operation Gibraltar. For it was the seeds sown by operation Gibraltar that iok burns to this day and keeps getting intense. So glad you agree with me.

Killing 17 soldiers in a 700,000 man army won't help

 

[GumNaam]

Killing 17 soldiers in a 700,000 man army won't help

Of course you don't see the millions kashmiris demanding india to get out and demanding unity with Pakistan. Good. It'll only make the kashmiris that much more aggressive and anti india.

 

[HAIDER]

S400 fail the test against low flying object or land hugging projectiles/missiles. These weapons are useless against short range missiles.

 

[Sully3]

there's no such thing as 100%, I've told you that already.

David how do you think pakistan should counter s400? is it even possible to counter it

I do know the Turks shot down the MIg in Syria a few months ago and the airbase the MIG took off from had a s300 system deployed. so what about the s400?

 

[DavidSling]

David how do you think pakistan should counter s400? is it even possible to counter it

I do know the Turks shot down the MIg in Syria a few months ago and the airbase the MIG took off from had a s300 system deployed. so what about the s400?

Electronic warfare is the best way in my opinion.
And ofcourse, S400 is no alien technology, it's just multi layer air defense, like Israel and some other countries posses.
every system has countermeasures, so don't let the propaganda fool u.

 

[GumNaam]

Electronic warfare is the best way in my opinion.
And ofcourse, S400 is no alien technology, it's just multi layer air defense, like Israel and some other countries posses.
every system has countermeasures, so don't let the propaganda fool u.

Agreed. Our EW capabilities are very closely guarded, not much info out there on what we have what we can do.

 

[SBD-3]

S400 fail the test against low flying object or land hugging projectiles/missiles. These weapons are useless against short range missiles.

Just one question how would you get to the point of firing that short range missile if the area is already covered by a long range system? Its just like bringing the egg before the hen.

 

[HAIDER]

Just one question how would you get to the point of firing that short range missile if the area is already covered by a long range system? Its just like bringing the egg before the hen.

Pak - India is not ocean apart, just across he line. Major striking point lies within 100 km of border or less. Neutralizing the forward lines first basic principle of any war. Rule never been changed.

 

[GumNaam]

Just one question how would you get to the point of firing that short range missile if the area is already covered by a long range system? Its just like bringing the egg before the hen.

The bigger question is that how will the s400 distinguish between a cheap dud and an actual missile? How would it even know if what it's tracking and engaging even there or not?

 

[SBD-3]

Pak - India is not ocean apart, just across he line. Major striking point lies within 100 km of border or less.

That's exactly the problem, they are not oceans apart so India can easily look deeper into Pakistan while placing these batteries in a comfortable zone.

The bigger question is that how will the s400 distinguish between a cheap dud and an actual missile? How would it even know if what it's tracking and engaging even there or not?

They are designed to intercept both, be it a cheap dud or a missile.

 

[HAIDER]

That's exactly the problem, they are not oceans apart so India can easily look deeper into Pakistan while placing these batteries in a comfortable zone.

Closer the weapon to target better chance of accuracy and enemy asset damage . Same principle to BVR missile. they have range of 40 or 50 km, but its not surety that if you launch the missile from that distance will hit the target. So, plane has to come close to " safe distance" for better chances.

 

[GumNaam]

That's exactly the problem, they are not oceans apart so India can easily look deeper into Pakistan while placing these batteries in a comfortable zone.


They are designed to intercept both, be it a cheap dud or a missile.

Intercepting cheap duds results in wasting of expensive interceptor missiles and valuable time in reloading the batteries during which real missiles fly thru. It's common sense.

 

[SBD-3]

Closer the weapon to target better chance of accuracy and enemy asset damage . Same principle to BVR missile. they have range of 40 or 50 km, but its not surety that if you launch the missile from that distance will hit the target. So, plane has to come close to " safe distance" for better chances.

S-400 has 4 missiles ranging from as little as 20 to as much as 400 KM. Even if 400KM is not the efficient frontier 300KM would count as a good kill zone. And the max-range stand off weapon we have is that of having 250KM still not a promising picture.