Possible Russian S-400 sale to India and Pakistan's Response.

[Sinnerman108]

@The Deterrent @Bratva @Indus Falcon @Oscar

As per my personal opinion the most logical way to counter S-400 is MaRV and MiRV warheads for our Shaheen series. There is no credible defense available against MiRV missile attack.

Please do highlight what is your opinion based on ?

 

[Maarkhoor]

Not at all, all this is burden on taxpayer, We know that another mumbai will just be responded with Dossiers. As far as S400 are concerned they will remain to provide defensive measures from all areal threats.

Sir only dossiers meant nothing along with solid evidence should be handover and the dossiers must be given to media also. Move to Topic S-400 is a genuine concern for Pakistan because of its range not only it is defensive weapon but lack of depth in territory it can be proved quite lethal for our missile force as well as PAF,

Regards,

 

[majorytyrant]

Alone S400 is not a game changer. Pakistan will push Strike package to counter long range air defence.

 

[Stag112]

Not at all, all this is burden on taxpayer, We know that another mumbai will just be responded with Dossiers. As far as S400 are concerned they will remain to provide defensive measures from all areal threats.

A military action has to have objectives, achievement of which gives benefits that outweigh the cost and risks.

Attacking pakistan conventionally is not feasible. Making pakistan pay in other ways and keeping them busy and broke is the way to go.

I believe we did that very effectively post Mumbai.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Please do highlight what is your opinion based on ?

S-400 or any other modern Sam / ABM quite effective against only Scud type ballistic missiles which follow traditional trajectory but cruise missiles specially ground hugging capability with stealth features quite hard to counter. And MaRV and MiRV is also quite complicated to engage before re-entry multiple warheads with maneuvering capability not possible with 100% precision to neuterlize. Even Single MaRV prove quite hard to engage,

Regards,

 

[MilSpec]

A military action has to have objectives, achievement of which gives benefits that outweigh the cost and risks.

Attacking pakistan conventionally is not feasible. Making pakistan pay in other ways and keeping them busy and broke is the way to go.

I believe we did that very effectively post Mumbai.

That is conjecture. and i won't go into discussing something I am completely unaware of.

 

[Sinnerman108]

S-400 or any other modern Sam / ABM quite effective against only Scud type ballistic missiles which follow traditional trajectory but cruise missiles specially ground hugging capability with stealth features quite hard to counter. And MaRV and MiRV is also quite complicated to engage before re-entry multiple warheads with maneuvering capability not possible with 100% precision to neuterlize. Even Single MaRV prove quite hard to engage,

Regards,

Cruise missiles that fly that close to the ground at slow speeds can be taken out with AA fire !

A battery of Tanguskas will be fine.

But, when you launch a ground to ground missile ( MIRV or not ); it takes a lot of time and the moment you do that you are detected via satellites.

The enemy doesn't know if the missile will carry traditional or nuclear warhead;
Thus they will prepare and retaliate for the worst.
Game over.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Cruise missiles that fly that close to the ground at slow speeds can be taken out with AA fire !

A battery of Tanguskas will be fine.

But, when you launch a ground to ground missile ( MIRV or not ); it takes a lot of time and the moment you do that you are detected via satellites.

The enemy doesn't know if the missile will carry traditional or nuclear warhead;
Thus they will prepare and retaliate for the worst.
Game over.

I respect your views but only a fool can think to strike enemy with conventional warhead specially India and Pakistan. Ballistic missile mean with nuclear warhead in Pakistan / India War.


Regards,

 

[CHI RULES]

Why? when you can use MAR-1 & AGM-88 HARM against them.

Dear ur mentioned Missiles have limited range so we should have credible air superiority jets in order to counter long range SAMS along with volley of Cruise Missiles with relatively long ranges.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Dear ur mentioned Missiles have limited range so we should have credible air superiority jets in order to counter long range SAMS along with volley of Cruise Missiles with relatively long ranges.

We have Ra'ad to counter Sams supplemented with Mar-1 anti-radiation missile.

 

[CHI RULES]

Pak can also get Hq9 SAM to counter all sorts of Indian Aerial threats at least at ranges up to 200KM even may counter stealthy targets.

 

[The Deterrent]

In my opinion, some of the counter-measures could be to:
1. Accelerate development of MIRVed ballistic missile system with at least 3 RVs.
2. Develop decoys & counter measures for RVs for missiles in development (Shaheen-IA, Shaheen-III).
3. Develop MaRVs for existing systems (Shaheen-IA, Shaheen-II, Shaheen-III).
4. Develop very low-observable (stealthier) versions of existing Babur & Ra'ad cruise missiles.
5. Produce more conventional ballistic & cruise missiles.
6. Buy J-31 for PAF to deploy in SEAD ops against S-400 batteries.
7. Acquire AEW&C based potent jamming capability.
8. Buy land-based CX-1 cruise missile for supersonic capability.
9. Research & develop ADM-160 MALD -like decoy missiles.

 

[CHI RULES]

We have Ra'ad to counter Sams supplemented with Mar-1 anti-radiation missile.

Nice dear even we have Babur with range up to 750 KM but we need them in large numbers so may be fired in volley to effectively target enemy installations effectively. Further range of Babur should be increased more than 1000KM to strike deep along with speed improvements as stealth features and ground hugging is already there.

 

[jung41]

upon adopting a single system you can't claim air superiority or no fly zone their are lot of counter measures available to neutralize the threat.

Like what type available???

 

[CHI RULES]

In my opinion, some of the counter-measures could be to:
1. Accelerate development of MIRVed ballistic missile system with at least 3 RVs.
2. Develop decoys & counter measures for RVs for missiles in development (Shaheen-IA, Shaheen-III).
3. Develop MaRVs for existing systems (Shaheen-IA, Shaheen-II, Shaheen-III).
4. Develop very low-observable (stealthier) versions of existing Babur & Ra'ad cruise missiles.
5. Produce more conventional ballistic & cruise missiles.
6. Buy J-31 for PAF to deploy in SEAD ops against S-400 batteries.

Nice reply Sir, our survival shall be in stealth features of our defensive assets whether it is Army, Navy or AF.