Possibility of a nuclear test near Pak India Border

[SQ8]

 

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A resident of Bikini Bottom will agree

 

[Safriz]

Lol.
They can't test a missile Let alone a nuke
Flawed military policy of Pakistan Too soft

 

[wali87]

Please look at our economic situation and think about the impact it would have on our economy.

Conduct a nuke test and have sanctions imposed by the entire world. So a test is an absolute no go. Rather it’s an amateurish idea. Besides the Indians already know the yields of our nukes.

 

[SQ8]

A resident of Bikini Bottom will agree

It is the bestest place ever

 

[xyx007]

A world without nuclear weapons would be a world where relatively weak nations invasion by a more powerful adversary.

• No nation with a nuclear weapon has ever been invaded by another nation.
• The number of deaths in battle worldwide has declined 95 percent in the 70 years since the invention and spread of nuclear weapons;
• The number of Pakistani civilian and security forces’ deaths in two disputed territories declined 90 percent after Pakistan’s first nuclear weapons test in 1998.
• How do nuclear weapons test work? Not ,through the ability to defend but through the ability to punish...The message of a deterrent strategy is this Although we are defenceless, if you attack we will punish you to an extent that more than cancels your gains. this messege should be given to indian by our Nuclear test in our Thar Dessert.

 

[Frank Martin]

It'll be suicidal if Pakistan conduct a nuclear test now. The sanctions will come in truck load and even China won't be able to do anything about it.

 

[guest9999]

Pakistan has nothing to prove. The world knows how capable Pakistan army and Pakistan state is, even with crumbling economy.

I would disagree with this. Pakistan does have a LOT to prove. The yields in the nuclear tests were very low and the method of testing multiple weapons simultaneously was not a good idea. Please read this (https://fas.org/nuke/guide/pakistan/nuke/). Other seismic monitoring stations dispute the yields quoted by Pakistan and are significantly off the officially stated yield. The yields of the bombs dropped on Hiroshima/Nagasaki were bigger. In fact the recent North Korean tests had a much bigger yield if I'm not mistaken.

I agree with you from economic point of view. But testing device on a live missile will be too much I think and will bring environmental issues to us. A controlled underground explosion but with much more power than the last one will convey the message that our nuclear warheads are ready and can be user when the need arises.

Saudis and GCC leaders are puppets and they won’t do anything against their master wishes. I saw a news today which states that Saudia have not provided oil to Pakistan on deferred payments yet which they promised.

Pakistan would need to detonate the ICBM over the Indian Ocean, not over land. Note that US & France detonated their nuclear fission devices on land. Whereas their thermonuclear devices were always tested out in the Pacific Ocean. Since the yield is always 1 Megaton or more and there have been cases of runaway yield (which ended up killing physicists), testing out in oceans near small islands has been preferred.

Saudi & GCC are puppets, no disagreement with you there. However, they are willing to pay anything for their defense. They are heading towards isolation, bit by bit. the Kashoggi incident, war on Yemen losing support in US Congress, etc. Eventually, they will realize only way to protect themselves is to cough up billions to Pakistan.

They have bankrolled Pakistan's nuke program and got back-stabbed when they asked for help in Yemen. Pakistan has not demonstrated what is required to be a fully-fledged nuclear power - i.e- ICBM/SLBM mated with thermonuclear weapon. It cannot target everywhere. Hence a nuclear umbrella from Pakistan is useless at this point in time. Equation changes once Pakistan does the minimum to be a fully-fledged nuclear power. Right now, it's not one, it's a half-baked nuclear power.

This thread is plain stupid, reminds me of the days when i joined pdf as a 15 year old kid ages ago who thought nukes were the answer to all of our problems. The geo-political implications alone will cripple the country, economic sanctions will be swift to follow along with international condemnation on a scale never seen before. Yes, using neclear tests to send a message is viable but only after hostilities have commenced but that too only if our conventional forces are on the back foot. Nukes are not marriage bombs unlike what most pre-pubescent pdf kids think.

Brilliant generals have brought your country to its knees, AGAIN, after having it split in two. They messed with a superpower sitting right next door, collecting billions from them while hurting them at the same time. I don't know what in the world they were thinking, can anyone explain to me why OBL was discovered right near your premier military academy? How old were the generals when they decided to do whatever it was they did? 15?

Btw, this is not aimed at you, but something that should remind you of the caliber of leadership you have sitting in GHQ for the last 70 years! They literally think that if Pakistan doesn't test ICBM and focuses only India, West will leave it alone? Tell me, why does the US not attack Iran out of fear, but has no problem sneaking into Pakistan, abduct people, kill Pakistani troops & civilians? Matter of fact, everyone (Afghanistan, Iran, India) seem to be doing these things these days. Pakistan has no self-respect left anymore.

In case you did not notice, your economy is already crippled. Pakistan suffers from a very low export-to-GDP ratio. Bad trade deals like FTA with China, another gift from a general, exacerbated this problem. Perhaps inviting sanctions from the world, can help you cut your imports down by allowing you to give the middle finger to the WTO. That way if you stop imports, other countries have no point in retaliating because you already sanctioned.

Plus, you can default on your foreign loans without giving a crap. Did you know right now, you have cases pending against you in international arbitration courts -related to Reko Diq, Karkey power-plants, etc? You have pretty much lost these cases and will soon owe another $10-15 billion dollars! So even if PTI succeeds in paying off some loans, you will literally go back to square one in 1-2 years! All of this was done via corruption, you are going to pay even bigger price thanks to PPP's corruption. You are also stuck with IPP & RPP (rental power plants) that were brought to you by corruption. They literally produce little electricity but Pakistan pays them full price. If you stop, they take you to international court and get another billion from you! Corruption has screwed Pakistan badly and international finance system will make sure that you will suffer the consequences for decades. Your debt will go from $90 billion to $100+ billion really soon thanks to corruption, do you really think Pakistani people should pay for this? Why, because you want to remain in WTO?

You might as well test right now and tell these international arbitration courts to go screw themselves. There is no benefit in Pakistan staying inside WTO, and interest-based financial system.

Your major imports are oil. As I mentioned, GCC countries will step in to cover that as they have done in the past after nuclear tests, especially if you demonstrate ICBM with thermonuclear weapon. Your exports to EU & US will take a hit. However, remember this, right now Pakistan needs cold-hard cash which Saudi will provide if you prove yourself worthy. Waiting for exports to grow, will take many years. Your debts maturing and increasing thanks to Pakistan losing international cases, will take less time. You are going bankrupt now. Testing will allow you to tell your creditors to screw themselves and will bring cash-flow from Arab Sheikhs.

Also, this can also be opportunity for you to boost your exports to the Muslim world and actually help push for economic alliance. GCC countries can assist there. You can also work on improving your self-sufficiency. Look at Russia, it's sanctioned, but surviving and now their agricultural industry is booming. North Koreans are pariah, yet they can build underground subways whereas Pakistan cannot? Why is Pakistan so behind in engineering? It hasn't allowed it's local industry to develop, by allowing every foreign country to come in and crush local industry. Sanctions may be your friend in this case, they can help you grow local industry.

Also, keep in mind, US is trying hard to leave the country next door. They need Pakistan's help to leave and will always be under pressure from Pakistan to let Afghanistan remain stable after they leave. So you see, US made the sanctions go away because it needed Pakistan in 2001 for WoT. Now it needs it again post-withdrawal. In fact, look at how nicely Trump recently described Pakistan & Imran Khan, lol. You will be sanctioned, but unless US wants to stay another decade, they will drop the sanctions.

We have no test ranges in the desert, there is also sizable population that would be difficult to relocate, & risk of radioactive fallout is higher in such tests. There are dedicated & prepared nuclear & missile tests ranges in Pakistan.

Test needs to be done out in Indian Ocean. Only issue is that Pakistan needs to send ships nearby to accurately measure yield of tests and record/gather more data for future use. 1998 tests were useless, yields were insignificant, test was mostly political and rushed. Full-fledged nuclear powers go all the way and test ICBM with thermonuclear weapons and they take care to capture data from hot tests.

A nuke test now will destroy all of the image we build following the last events.

OBL was caught inside Pakistan, it has no image to begin with.

 

[mudas777]

Our military and civilian elite need to spend 2 weeks course with Afghan Taliban to grow there balls a bit more. When India claimed first surgical strike for the argument case if it happened or not we should have responded with force and quieten down India once for all. We dithered and Indian narrative on terrorism taught by Israel won and the world thought any firecracker going off in India is our responsibility not of India. It changed the line of thought from its internal matter of India to control its security and put onus on us to control our so called Jihad i's.
World only came into action when 2 Indian aircrafts were shot down and US realized we can fight back and we will definitely fight for our country. We should have gone one more step and targeted one high value target and put ball into Indian court and said come on let's see what you can do and we will go further if you dared to cross the line again. When incompetence of Indian air force became apparent India threatened us with missile attacks we may have threatened back in private in kind, but that was the time IK should have gone on TV and threatened on live TV and tested a Shaheen near Sri Lankan international waters and GIVEN THE MESSAGE NONE OF INDIAN TERRITORY IS SAFE. To be honest Qureshi is seen as too week of a person and no fire in his belly to put Pakistan narrative to the world and I think IK should appoints Hina Rabbani again as a foreign minister. When he claims India is planning to start a war, again in a apologetic way like its ours fault and headmaster is going to punish the little boys because he feels like it and we should be shaking in our boots. Answer should have been last time you crossed the border we smashed your teeth next time you cross the border we will smash your face and body to go with that. Testing a nuclear bomb in this day and age is like giving the India keys to Islamabad without India firing a bullet. Nuclear powers don't talk about there nuclear bombs count or nuclear bomb usage these days like our Pakistani fan boys mentioned it all the time and jump up and down to make the head lines. NUCLEAR POWERS ARE FEARED. I bet million dollars, imagine if Zia was alive today and some mouse like Qureshi would have knocked at his door and informed him India is planning to punish us what the response should have been what he had at his disposal and what we got today. What he said to Rajiv Ghandi, it put India in its place for next 20 years and IK need to do the same again.

 

[thesolar65]

Is it true that Pakistan is not a nuclear power anymore? Due that accident which you call a test here?

 

[Fawadqasim1]

We don’t know if we have that capability yet. I don’t think we have enough resources to create such device.

Who told you that.

 

[nahtanbob]

Our military and civilian elite need to spend 2 weeks course with Afghan Taliban to grow there balls a bit more. When India claimed first surgical strike for the argument case if it happened or not we should have responded with force and quieten down India once for all. We dithered and Indian narrative on terrorism taught by Israel won and the world thought any firecracker going off in India is our responsibility not of India. It changed the line of thought from its internal matter of India to control its security and put onus on us to control our so called Jihad i's.
World only came into action when 2 Indian aircrafts were shot down and US realized we can fight back and we will definitely fight for our country. We should have gone one more step and targeted one high value target and put ball into Indian court and said come on let's see what you can do and we will go further if you dared to cross the line again. When incompetence of Indian air force became apparent India threatened us with missile attacks we may have threatened back in private in kind, but that was the time IK should have gone on TV and threatened on live TV and tested a Shaheen near Sri Lankan international waters and GIVEN THE MESSAGE NONE OF INDIAN TERRITORY IS SAFE. To be honest Qureshi is seen as too week of a person and no fire in his belly to put Pakistan narrative to the world and I think IK should appoints Hina Rabbani again as a foreign minister. When he claims India is planning to start a war, again in a apologetic way like its ours fault and headmaster is going to punish the little boys because he feels like it and we should be shaking in our boots. Answer should have been last time you crossed the border we smashed your teeth next time you cross the border we will smash your face and body to go with that. Testing a nuclear bomb in this day and age is like giving the India keys to Islamabad without India firing a bullet. Nuclear powers don't talk about there nuclear bombs count or nuclear bomb usage these days like our Pakistani fan boys mentioned it all the time and jump up and down to make the head lines. NUCLEAR POWERS ARE FEARED. I bet million dollars, imagine if Zia was alive today and some mouse like Qureshi would have knocked at his door and informed him India is planning to punish us what the response should have been what he had at his disposal and what we got today. What he said to Rajiv Ghandi, it put India in its place for next 20 years and IK need to do the same again.

if you want pakistanis to live like afghans under the taliban i say you have already lost

 

[Mahmood uz Zaman]

We don't need to do any nuclear test as we don't need prove anyone who we are as we are powerful Muslim NUCLEAR POWER.

Test only be done in war scenario when indian try to do their any misadventures by doing cold start doctrine.

Then we use multiple tactical nuclear weapons on incoming enemies.

 

[BHarwana]

Nuclear test? Why? How would that help? If India is coming for war they already know we have nukes and a test will never stop them. Sorry wrong idea. Once you are a nuclear power another test will determine what?

By doing a nuclear test Pakistan would be helping India. India when did its nuclear tests was not able to test high yield war heads and Indians are desperate to test their war heads. where as Pakistan has tested it's devices and have validated them. Why would you give India opportunity to test its war heads as well in real time.

 

[Max]

lol, if nuclear test deter, then send 1998 test videos to Bharati PM..

What bharat is doing is very limited, so nukes don't come in play.