Police Training Centre Attacked in Quetta - Operated from Afghanistan - 51 cadets dead, 97 injured

[cocomo]

inna lillahi wa inallah-e-raji'oon. ISIS is raising its ugly head in Af-Pak. What can Pakistan do with its God damn western border? We can't surely seal is fully, it will probably cut across villages. Can the threats from across the border be countered by strengthening FC? Or should Pakistan raise tribal militias with authority only within FATA?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

How can they get in,no guards,no weapons?

they breached the security .. they were delayed by the sentry who engaged them and died in the process..
I cant comment on the tiers of the security but it appears they were not many and once they were inside the canteens, mess halls and dorms then game was over. guns were only used to take out any resistance and then detonate with the most students close by or when the security forces were to come.

there was no plan to take hostages.. this is pretty much a given formula.. by the time they breach the security checks ..through covert or frontal assault ... they use the chaos for maximum possible casualties.. the survivors say they looked almost like anyone else there except that they had their faces covered but due to loss of power it was hard to distinguish friend from foe .. the casualties might have been 1/3 more if the third terrorist was not shot dead. before he could detonate himself.

I have avoided your obvious question due to national shame.. our precautions are not very exemplary it seems there was only a lonely sentry on the watch tower who was snipped first but despite being hit he continued to fight and kept them pinned down untill he bled himself to death.
take an example of the check post below.. the torso and head still shows.. I think the terrorists sneaked in close to the post and then engaged him .. he would have used his rifle or light machine gun until his body lost control due to loss of blood.

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the best outcome from attack prevention was few years back an attack on airforce base in Quetta where we engaged and killed all terrorists few kilometres before the base boundary. but that wasn't the case in a badaber base attack in peshawar were they caused maximum casualties when they attacked during the time of prayers and killed 30+ personnel in a mosque after breaching the first security line and were halted at 2nd or third but scored lucky shot due to Pakistani love for joint prayers and always giving TTP a juicy target.. (PS I am not against prayers but given the security situation I would recommend and preffer individual prayers rather than giving few dozen lives in a plate to the terrorists)

 

[Neutral_One]

RIP to those souls died in this attack. This should be avenged and Pak Army should eradicate the terrorist group whom ever responsible for this attack.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

No just provide me credible proof of direct Saudi involvement in the killings of Shias and you will never see me advocating Saudis ever. Anyway this is not the appropriate thread to discuss about it but I will definitely catch you somewhere else.

I agree its not a correct thread. but in case you missed the wikileaks material and US cables showing Saudi Donners as the biggest contributors of Lashker Jhangvi and Sipah Sahabah then then please have a look.. there is a dedicated thread on who funds Taliban and its affiliates inside Pakistan.

its not just Pakistan but the Jihad inc across the globe, .. same is the case with iran funding ISO and Tehriq Jafriya.. but it was wiped out by ISI thankfully but no such action was taken against the Deobandi terror group due to fear of displeasure from our Saudi masters and close relation of nawaz party politically and some support from Army during Zia time.

I speak from personal experiences how I grew up and saw my friends and some family members getting radicalised etc...my comments are just comments .. an opinion.

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

Its against PTI dharna as a destabilized Pakistan will divert the attention away from Imran Khans dharna on 2nd of November.

So this point scoring cant wait for few hours? its not even 12 hours those 60 people died for their country.

What kind of man cant wait even 12 hours to score political points?

Last I heard it was Imran Khan who allotted govt. funds to terrorist organization and just 2 days back got full endorsement to lock down your nations capital!!!!

Think of it from outside, "Pakistan's Capital Locked down by Banned Terrorist Organizations!"

Did he even think how will those parents who just lost their early twenties kid feel after they see him selling even that shahadat to justify his cause? Cant it wait just 12 hours if not days?

 

[Norwegian]

So this point scoring cant wait for few hours? its not even 12 hours those 60 people died for their country.

What kind of man cant wait even 12 hours to score political points?

Last I heard it was Imran Khan who allotted govt. funds to terrorist organization and just 2 days back got full endorsement to lock down your nations capital!!!!

Think of it from outside, "Pakistan's Capital Locked down by Banned Terrorist Organizations!"

Did he even think how will those parents who just lost their early twenties kid feel after they see him selling even that shahadat to justify his cause? Cant it wait just 12 hours if not days?

What do you expect? Imran Khan has condemned the attack in Quetta, also he said he is going to visit the city soon:

 

[AMCA]

Afghanistan & India use TTP-LeJ terrorists to destabilize Pakistan. Afghans provide men and India provides money & weapons.

These two countries are also helping Baloch liberation terrorists to divert attention from Kashmir. This attack is not a punitive action against Baloch's. It is to avenge Uri attack from Pakistan.

All this will not go unpunished. Afghans will feel it in the days to come, God willing. So will those financing these sneaking terror attacks.

Rest in peace the deceased. This is not the right place for a blame game and it would be inappropriate of me to reply in a similar fashion, we mourn with you today hoping that Pakistan no longer differentiates good terrorists from bad and instead goes after every terrorist outfit that has hampered its growth and as well ours.

 

[ManavKalia]

I have avoided your obvious question due to national shame.. our precautions are not very exemplary it seems there was only a lonely sentry on the watch tower who was snipped first but despite being hit he continued to fight and kept them pinned down untill he bled himself to death.
take an example of the check post below.. the torso and head still shows.. I think the terrorists sneaked in close to the post and then engaged him .. he would have used his rifle or light machine gun until his body lost control due to loss of blood.

I think there's more to the picture than this. There are some questions in your description of events, in which the lone sentry engaged and pinned down the attackers, for enough time till his blood ran out, and presumably he lost consciousness.

If this is how the events would have unfolded, then the sound of the gunplay between the sentry and the attackers, would have alerted other guards as well as a lot of the cadets themselves, well before the final attack happened, and would therefore have given cadets time to escape as well the guards would have been able to mount a response.

Since it was only 3 attackers, and they managed to inflict maximum casualties, it's safe to assume that they maintained the element of surprise well into the assault. Which would indicate that they disposed of the lone sentry quickly and or they had inside help. Which I guess might become clearer on subsequent investigation.

 

[Signalian]

Sir, the Country is at war...than WHY such relaxed attitude...

The forces taking part in the war are not relaxed. Lets have a count of forces which have taken part in different Ops.
1. Army/AF/Navy
2. Rangers/FC
3. Elite Police/ SSU
4. Frontier Constabulary/ Reserve Police
5. Levies/Khasadars

Coming to Baloch Police and its AT-training and Ops. This is the training history and structure,
http://www.balochistanpolice.gov.pk/att.php

I have not heard of Baloch Police taking part in any anti-terror ops in balochistan. Its usually Army, FC or Intelligence agencies. The Special Security Division (SSD) raised for CPEC protection will be formed by Army.

There is also another force in the region, Balochistan Constabulary. This force was made through mixing Balochistan reserve Police (6000 troops) with new recruits (sanctioned 4000 strength). This force is said to be standing at 10,000 troops today after being sanctioned in 2003.

Most people wont even know that this Force has procured :
30 X APC (From HIT)
1 X Aircraft

This is the link.
http://www.balochistanpolice.gov.pk/rbc.php

Its not about just raising forces, its utilising them. Why is FC used everywhere and why is this force of 10,000 troops not brought into equation is beyond my understanding.

This is why i mentioned, leadership as well as command and control. Two issues which need to be addressed seriously.

I do understand that the resources are stretched and one argument would be that it is IMPOSSIBLE to counter suicide attacks etc BUT still someone from the provincial security machinery have to answer WHY this happened....

Its NOT impossible to stop suicidal attacks. The numbers have declined in past two years. The amount of operations conducted in past 10 years have enabled forces to even identify a suicide bomber from a distance by the way he walks, the clothes he wears, his face expressions etc.

Provincial members are all holed up in Quetta and holding onto their seats. No one dares ventures out of the house without 50-100 guards.

Just watched few news clips...same old bayans, such as:

1. Dehshat-gardi ke khilaf aisey he lartey rahengey...
2. Dehshat-gard "raat ka" faida uthaatey huway aqbi raastey say ander dakhil howay...
3. Police key "taaza-dam" dastey foren jaye-waqowa per pohach gaye...

Sir we lost 50 + cadets....

How many "alamnaak" waqiyaat STILL needed to wake us up .... ?

Waking up isnt an issue. The issue is personal agendas. Governor has how own agendas, MNA's and MPA's have their own.

Police college is being attacked, who arrives first at the scene? ....FC. is FC responsible for whole of Balochistan, will FC be sent whenever an attack happens. FC is very efficient so its being used and the FC commanders (IG/DIG) are top notch officers who usually make the top brass of GHQ some day.

who should arrive first ?.... Police. Ofcourse Police. Its a Police establishment being attacked. But the ATF arrived second with LCB. This shows how competent the Baloch Police is.

I just cannot comprehend what is the "thinking process" after all such incidents, is it something like:
1. OK from now on we should put more security at all such places (I don't think so)
2. From now on we should improve the local community based intelligence network and make sure we will not repeat the past mistakes (really!!!)
3. We know that terrorist are constantly planning to hit us...ARE WE READY...WHAT ARE OUR WEAKNESSES....?
the list goes on....

Or may be I am "over-reacting" as things are absolutely under control and somehow this incident is merely an "exception".....

Such issues are discussed in Army circles and Army meetings because Army is serious about its security and the services it provides. The next is FC, they will not give any leverage to security lapse.

Baloch Police is a civilian establishment and answers to civilian leadership. I hope something gets done. fingers crossed.

 

[Kharral]

Inna LILLAH e wa Inna ELLAIH e raji'oon

Seeing so many young men butchered like this year after year in their academies & then forgotten within months forever by the society they rose up to defend, I ask myself why should any young man in his prime invite death upon himself by joining a profession & institute which offers him no protection what so ever ??

Why would any young man risk his dignity, conscious, limb & life to defend a state ( with out any major financial or social reward in return ) whose sole beneficiary is a treacherous corrupt to the core ELITE.

Has any nation ever had any hope of winning a war like this & overcome a calamity like this with a government & political leadership like ours ?

 

[BlackOpsIndia]

What do you expect? Imran Khan has condemned the attack in Quetta, also he said he is going to visit the city soon:

Wow! thats a big big thing to do.

So what those 60 jawans died for their country? the great leader showed the empathy and compassion by condemning the attack and at very same time literally telling that their martyrdom is just cannon fodder for his political gains.


Come on man, I am finding it extremely uncomfortable that anyone is defending that. No matter what your political affiliation is or how big leader you are, you are just a loud mouth bigot who is alive cuz those security personnel are willing to die for you(not you).

They deserved better than this, how disgusting, cant even wait for 12 hours while there are still many who are in critical condition in hospital. 60 is a big number, even in Syria.

 

[Norwegian]

Has any nation ever had any hope of winning this war & overcome this calamity with a government & political leadership like ours ?

It has nothing to do with leadership. It has to do with funding madrassas that produce terrorists.

So what those 60 jawans died for their country? the great leader showed the empathy and compassion by condemning the attack and at very same time literally telling that their martyrdom is not cannon fodder for his political gains.

Did you even listen to what he said? He says he does not believe these attacks are linked with his dharna. But he is going to investigate.

 

[Signalian]

At least know what you are talking about. Recruits are not armed any where. There should have been 20 newly raised Anti Terrorist Force Guys deployed at this centre all the time to protect. One Guard is a bloody joke. Also along with 20 ATF Guys trainers at this centre should have been Armed. The question is why on earth this centre was not being protected by at least 15 to 20 Police Commandos. This is high incompetence of Police. @Sarge. Yes recruits can't be armed but your Elite Commandos should be deployed there all the time I mean from 15 to 20 Commandos. Pece with India good joke @iPhone soon you would drop Punjab than Sindh and than Gilgil Baltistan and than other Pakistan.

Police should see how the Army and FC protect their educational and training establishments. Baloch Police should have learnt a lesson from the attack on Punjab Police School a few years ago.

The enemy looks for weak spots to do most damage and this is exactly what happened.
They come and study movement like spies do,
they see what goes in,
what comes out, what timings,
when does the guard change take place,
whats the number of guards present at a single point in time,
how many weapons are present on premises,
whats the reaction time of QRF,
how near of far is the nearest cantonment and police station for QRF to come,
when are important dates of inspections and visits,
when are canteens and messes filled up,
etc etc

After studying all this and whatever else they can, then the plan is made and disaster happens like what happened today.

I remember the night guard in PA at one important gate/check point/post, which may not be the Main Gate of campus is:
1 X NCO (havaldar,Guard commander)
3 X Sepoy
All equipped with G-3, torches, whistles and if the guard post isnt available, then a tent was authorised.

Next is the Guard room, the number of guards deployed depend upon the facility they are protecting. Usually a section level (upto 10) is present at all times for Alert call.

This may have changed now due to crisis situation in Pakistan. What can one single sentry at Guard tower do. Above all its a police establishment, not army.

 

[Signalian]

Food for throught.

why was IG-FC giving the first interview.

where was IG Baloch Police? His establishment was being attacked.

 

[Kharral]

It has nothing to do with leadership. It has to do with funding madrassas that produce terrorists.


Did you even listen to what he said? He says he does not believe these attacks are linked with his dharna. But he is going to investigate.

It has EVERYTHING to do with Leadership. The madrasahs & terrorist organisations disguised as political parties are out there because there is no Leadership to confront them & their followers for their anti state activities & crimes.