Poland to provide Mig-29 to Ukraine - what should they get as replacement?

[LeGenD]

I don't need to watch RT,CNN etc to get a understanding of this region. There is a real recent history of this region which is screaming at us loud and clear.
UN is a joke organization,a hypocritical pawn of the west. The same UN which guaranteed Kashmir a right of self determination and now silent on India because of her own interests. The only thing we can learn from this ,be powerful like Russia and just take it what's yours. Do not depend on begging the UN and the west.
The whole Ukraine is almost what indian population is after RSS and Modi came to power. They are fighting and they will be fighting for some time after Russia will take back the whole Ukraine. But soon their software will be updated for good by Russians. A software which will be compatible with their true Slavic Russian history.
Putin and Russia is actually doing us a favor by cleaning off this filth from the planet. Islamophobia in Ukraine is very real and widespread and that's definitely affects us as well considering much medical students from Pakistan study there and our defence deals with Ukraine.

UN is not perfect in its construct (VETO system should be abolished) but it grants international legitimacy to modern nation-states by recognizing their borders and right to sovereignty.

Russian position and assault on Ukraine is rejected in UN:

U.N. General Assembly in historic vote denounces Russia over Ukraine invasion

The United Nations General Assembly on Wednesday overwhelmingly voted to reprimand Russia for invading Ukraine and demanded that Moscow stop fighting and withdraw its military forces, an action that aims to diplomatically isolate Russia at the world body.

www.reuters.com

General Assembly resolution demands end to Russian offensive in Ukraine

The UN General Assembly overwhelmingly adopted a resolution on Wednesday demanding that Russia immediately end its military operations in Ukraine.

news.un.org

It makes difference. Russia might not call off its invasion soon but it will have to live with the consequences of its assault on Ukraine. These are in the form of sanctions imposed by multiple countries and international assistance to Ukranian resistance efforts. Life will become difficult for average Russia in fact. Russia have already arrested thousands of protestors by now.

Similar international recognition extends to Pakistan as well. India cannot claim Pakistan in UN and otherwise.

Kashmir had a Muslim-majority population base but a hindu ruler in pre-partition times. This ruler did not respect Partition Rule and sentiments of his followers and was tilting towards India - his makari provoked Pakistan and armed conflict in this region was inevitable. Pakistan is in possession of half of Kashmir which is an achievement in my view. Something better than nothing on this front.

If Pakistan is not getting more from Kashmir, neither is India. China have made inroads in fact. Serves India right in this matter.

WE should respect other countries and their right to sovereignty. This is good for ourselves and the international order by extension.

The world will fall back to Medieval times otherwise which is bad for all. Anybody can assault anybody and get away with it.

 

[SecularNationalist]

You couldn't understand your own country if your life depended on. Let alone some far away region of the world

Ofcourse by just watching Fox news you have a far better understanding than all the natives who live ,breathe and work in that particular country, culture or society.

but it grants international legitimacy to modern nation-states by recognizing their borders and right to sovereignty.

The same UN which according to the wishes of the west can declare any state a failed state and later justify it's invasion i.e Iraq and Libya .

It makes difference. Russia might not call off its invasion soon but it will have to live with the consequences of its assault on Ukraine. These are in the form of sanctions imposed by multiple countries and international assistance to Ukranian resistance efforts. Life will become difficult for average Russia in fact. Russia have already arrested thousands of protestors by now.

The so called sanctions of the west are going to hurt the west and Europe than Russia . If just the oil and gas supply from Russia to Europe is stopped the prices for it will be extremely high or less to non availability means EU industries will be shut down causing reduncies and poverty everywhere.
The war planners of Putin are not idiots who just started this war without considering the effect of sanctions. They take sanctions with a pinch of salt.

Similar international recognition extends to Pakistan as well. India cannot claim Pakistan in UN and otherwise.

Let's be honest it's the nuclear detterence of Pakistan which is protecting the existence and hence recognition of Pakistan not the UN.

 

[Leviza]

Russian already said if any country allowed Ukrainian fighters to use their bases then it will be taken as declaring a war with Russia

Poland is not going to allow that as they have already seen NATO chicken out

Poland is a NATO country but interesting to see of west going to go war with Russia just because Poland is NATO ?

In these western countries polish people are like Afghans in Pakistan, they do all the small end jobs

Interesting times a head

 

[FuturePAF]

Drones can be operated from Germany or any other country in Europe. Drones can be flown from unprepared strips or hastily prepared strips.

Russian EW and AD wasn’t commendable in Syria. Pantsir was taken out then and even in this war against Ukraine. Israel and usa will be helping with technology including EW against Russia.

If a drone is seen going back and forth from NATO territory, that NATO country will become a co-combatant in the war. Legally, the drones would have to be delivered to the Ukrainians outside Ukraine, taken in by Ukrainians and then operated in Ukraine until they are lost for the supplier nation to be seen as legally neutral.

 

[jhungary]

If a drone is seen going back and forth from NATO territory, that NATO country will become a co-combatant in the war. Legally, the drones would have to be delivered to the Ukrainians outside Ukraine, taken in by Ukrainians and then operated in Ukraine until they are lost for the supplier nation to be seen as legally neutral.

I think he meant the command station in Germany, the drone flew to and from Ukraine, but the drone was controlled by an operator in Germany.

That's how we use drone in the US by the way, we fly them to and from Afghanistan inside a command station in Nevada (or some place like that I forgot)

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Russian already said if any country allowed Ukrainian fighters to use their bases then it will be taken as declaring a war with Russia

Poland is not going to allow that as they have already seen NATO chicken out

Poland is a NATO country but interesting to see of west going to go war with Russia just because Poland is NATO ?

In these western countries polish people are like Afghans in Pakistan, they do all the small end jobs

Interesting times a head

Russia is already having tough time even fighting the Ukrainians.

Russia does not have capability to fight NATO.

They either need to accept defeat or go nuclear.

 

[Leviza]

Russia is already having tough time even fighting the Ukrainians.

Russia does not have capability to fight NATO.

They either need to accept defeat or go nuclear.

Yes that is what western media war is all about
But there is not very clear picture from the Russian side
So I won’t be able to believe it 100%

 

[FuturePAF]

Thanks. I have been watching this guy and he is quite good. It gels with what you and I have been saying too. However, the Russians have quickly adapted to the changing ground and international situation. Senile Biden has just made a very luke warm reference to Ukraine and lack of US involvement. The simple economic and geographical FACT is that that sending troops into Ukraine is simply not in America’s national interest. Ukraine is not an ally, but it’s on a different Eurasian continent, it’s not a major trading partner, and there’s little strategic benefit for the US, which does not even have an army base on Ukrainian soil. The Russians know it too and will prevail.

Breaking news that the US is just about to ban imports of Russian oil today. Considering the US usually puts pressure on allies to follow suit, this could be the red line the Russians consider a “declaration of war”.

US doesn’t need to send troops in, just needs to keep funding and arming the Ukrainians and letting Slavs kill Slavs, till Eastern Europe is depleted or the NATO states in the region waste all their budgets on a military buildup, preferably buying from American defense companies.

COVID will be seen in the history books as the end of many things, not the least of the improving living standards in Eastern Europe. The Cold War is back.

I think he meant the command station in Germany, the drone flew to and from Ukraine, but the drone was controlled by an operator in Germany.

That's how we use drone in the US by the way, we fly them to and from Afghanistan inside a command station in Nevada (or some place like that I forgot)

Creech AFB north of Vegas, from the trailers. It’s been in countless movies and news stories over the years. Yeah they could do that, command via satellite from Germany and operating in Ukraine with Ukrainian ground crew.

 

[Kraetoz]

Let's be honest it's the nuclear detterence of Pakistan which is protecting the existence and hence recognition of Pakistan not the UN.

UN is a big joke, what did UN do when India abrogated article 370? Zilch. The only thing keeping Pakistan safe are the nukes. Imran khan rightly slapped EU when they asked to condemn Russia.

"“When India broke international law in Kashmir and abrogated Kashmir’s autonomous status, did anyone of you(EU) break ties with India, end trade or criticise [New Delhi]?” - PM Imran Khan.

Ukraine is getting invaded just how Iraq and Libya were invaded. America, the west and Russia will never go after a nuclear armed country and get nuked in the process. Nothing to do with UN or the fancy organizations and alliances of the West.

 

[nahtanbob]

Ofcourse by just watching Fox news you have a far better understanding than all the natives who live ,breathe and work in that particular country, culture or society.

The only time I have ever watched Fox News is waiting for my car during an oil change at auto repair shop

I make no claims about Russian-Ukraine war other than the fact Russian military is in bad shape to wage this war. Of course USA will make sure they make Russia pay badly for this war.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

MSN

 

[Oldman1]

TOW is too cumbersome. May as well keep using Javelin


Poland already had 2 to 3 squadron of F-16

IIRC, they want fast track delivery of the 48 F-35 they ordered for them to send Ukraine the Mig-29

Well I'm actually referring to a Super Stinger missile for anti air. Was using the TOW pic as an illustration.

This one is an actual manpad, British Starstreak. As I was saying for air defense they should develop something like this but have far higher ceiling and range.

MSN

Thats good to hear! Glad they change their mind.

 

[CIA Mole]

us can offer india f16s for all its soviet arsenal

 

[Oldman1]

us can offer india f16s for all its soviet arsenal

They got more than a hundred of them. Not sure if India is tempted for F-16s that Pakistan also uses. Not to mention some of their MiGs are naval version and they need them for their carriers.

 

[Oldman1]

US does not have good air defense systems because US military assumes they have air superiority

how hard is it to provide Poland with 2-3 squadrons of F-16 fighters ?

The U.S. military has been improving it for some time now in the last few years. I still think they should have something similar to the Buk.