PN's NG Frigate acquisition and Israel's Sa'ar 5/6 Class Corvettes

[war&peace]

Of course it's my post. Find another thread for your trolling. Every defence contractor out there uses animations to demonstrate their product's functionality.

Since when asking for a source of the info has become trolling. It is the standard policy of the pdf.

 

[Tank131]

A good post by Rampage. One thing i would add is that if you look at Sa'ar 5/6 or even something like the Hamina FAC you see that the smart use of space and attention to the layout of the ship is as (if not sometimes more) important than the actual systems. If you look at Hamina, it is perhaps even more impressive. On a 250t ship, it carries 4 AShM AND 8 Umkhonto-ir SAMs in an 8 cell VLS and a 57mm cannon (that it would probably be better server replacing with a CIWS). To put this in perspective, the F-22P is over 10x the size... Hell the Azmat is 2.25x the size. Chinese systems have come a long way but they arent as detailed when it come to layout.

For whatever design they come to agree on, survivability against SATURATION attacks while being able to be fielded in a cost effective manner is paramount. This means a mix of long and short range missiles and dedicated CIWS and thinking outside the box. Notice the Saar 5 (jist like the Chinese Type 022 FAC) doesnt have a main gun. Rather the replace it with a phalanx CIWS. If thatd what it takes to survive against a determined opponent then thats what you do. There needs to be network centric situational awareness as well. This ship will need 32 medium range fire and forget missiles (and i mean in the 40-60km range... Not 25-35km). Frankly i would prefer a quad packable missile like CAMM, which has been tested out to 60km, for the aspect of numbers to improve survival (a 24 -32 cell of say Sylver A35 would hold 96-128 Medium range missiles). It should also have a 24 cell missile based CIWS (RAM vs FN-3000L) AND a gun based CIWS like goalkeeper or Type 730. Additionally it could carry smaller Antisub rockets like RDC32 that is also on F-22P. From looking at the model of the proposed MILGEM-G it appears to have enough room for this, certainly if you compare it to Saar 5/6, not to mention models show it may also carry 16 AShM (likely Atmaca)

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

A good post by Rampage. One thing i would add is that if you look at Sa'ar 5/6 or even something like the Hamina FAC you see that the smart use of space and attention to the layout of the ship is as (if not sometimes more) important than the actual systems. If you look at Hamina, it is perhaps even more impressive. On a 250t ship, it carries 4 AShM AND 8 Umkhonto-ir SAMs in an 8 cell VLS and a 57mm cannon (that it would probably be better server replacing with a CIWS). To put this in perspective, the F-22P is over 10x the size... Hell the Azmat is 2.25x the size. Chinese systems have come a long way but they arent as detailed when it come to layout.

For whatever design they come to agree on, survivability against SATURATION attacks while being able to be fielded in a cost effective manner is paramount. This means a mix of long and short range missiles and dedicated CIWS and thinking outside the box. Notice the Saar 5 (jist like the Chinese Type 022 FAC) doesnt have a main gun. Rather the replace it with a phalanx CIWS. If thatd what it takes to survive against a determined opponent then thats what you do. There needs to be network centric situational awareness as well. This ship will need 32 medium range fire and forget missiles (and i mean in the 40-60km range... Not 25-35km). Frankly i would prefer a quad packable missile like CAMM, which has been tested out to 60km, for the aspect of numbers to improve survival (a 24 -32 cell of say Sylver A35 would hold 96-128 Medium range missiles). It should also have a 24 cell missile based CIWS (RAM vs FN-3000L) AND a gun based CIWS like goalkeeper or Type 730. Additionally it could carry smaller Antisub rockets like RDC32 that is also on F-22P. From looking at the model of the proposed MILGEM-G it appears to have enough room for this, certainly if you compare it to Saar 5/6, not to mention models show it may also carry 16 AShM (likely Atmaca)

You've raised another point we need to consider - size is not the issue we need to worry about, it is layout and design. Even if we were to go with an STM design that is smaller than the MILGEM, as long as it is designed such that it could pack 32 MR-SAMs (e.g. CAMM-ER), it would be considerably more effective in defensive capability than the F-22P. The Ada-class corvette or Istanbul-class frigate would just provide the range and endurance, but if the Navy or STM fail to finely organize the ship's subsystems, it would be below potential.

That said, I believe STM has the competency and experience to design a Sa'ar 5 or Sa'ar 6 like solution for the PN, which in mind of our needs, would be more than sufficient. Besides the Ada-class, they do have a bunch of clean-sheet design concepts on the docket, and can probably work a new one akin to the Sa'ar 5/6, provided the PN is looking that way.

A relatively fast but heavily gunned corvette (32 MR-SAM, 2x4 AShM, 2x3 ASW torpedo, PDMS) with a low-RCS/detectable hull would be interesting. We can start with 4 such ships, and in time, build a fleet of 8-12.

 

[Tank131]

You've raised another point we need to consider - size is not the issue we need to worry about, it is layout and design. Even if we were to go with an STM design that is smaller than the MILGEM, as long as it is designed such that it could pack 32 MR-SAMs (e.g. CAMM-ER), it would be considerably more effective in defensive capability than the F-22P. The Ada-class corvette or Istanbul-class frigate would just provide the range and endurance, but if the Navy or STM fail to finely organize the ship's subsystems, it would be below potential.

That said, I believe STM has the competency and experience to design a Sa'ar 5 or Sa'ar 6 like solution for the PN, which in mind of our needs, would be more than sufficient. Besides the Ada-class, they do have a bunch of clean-sheet design concepts on the docket, and can probably work a new one akin to the Sa'ar 5/6, provided the PN is looking that way.

A relatively fast but heavily gunned corvette (32 MR-SAM, 2x4 AShM, 2x3 ASW torpedo, PDMS) with a low-RCS/detectable hull would be interesting. We can start with 4 such ships, and in time, build a fleet of 8-12.

CAMM-ER has a stated range of ">45km". If CAMM has been tested per reports out to 60km (stated range is ">25km") then CAMM-ER is likely akin to Barak 8 (~90-100km+ missile). Thhat being said, it would fit a Sylver A50 vls although im not sure it is quad packable whereas CAMM for sure is and could fit in a sylver A35 (it is similar in dimension to VT1 but a meter longer... Still short enough to fit A35). That gives 4 times as many missiles as a CAMM-ER solution albeit with shorter range. Still 60km is adequate for wjat they are looking for and certainly more than what competitors will come up with (hq16/essm/umkhonto-ir-er/hisar-o) and will fit more vls unist given the smaller size.

 

[amardeep mishra]

@Quwa
Hi quwa,LRDE bangalore has also designed couple of decent AESA radars lately.Here are some pics.This medium powered AESA has an instrumented range of 400kms and can track 200 targets at the same time! It features digital beam forming as against legacy beam forming in analog domain.
This is the first time a big AESA radar has been designed by the LRDE. Most important aspect of this radar is that the fundamental building block of this AESA i.e T/R modules are an intellectual property of LRDE- i.e LRDE holds the patent of the design. THeir design has 8 distinct T/R modules embedded on a single chip thereby providing high density.

 

[Viking 63]

I really feel sorry for our Navy !!!

 

[DavidSling]

How navy engineers made the next missile ship stealthy
The Sa'ar 6 missile corvette will have to deal with Hezbollah's radar-guided missiles.

The Sa'ar 6 missile corvette. (photo credit:IDF SPOKESPERSON'S UNIT)

When German engineers from ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems, who are building Israel’s next-generation Sa’ar-6 class missile corvette, showed Israel Navy engineers the first blueprints for the strategically vital vessel, the Israelis realized there was a problem.

The plans outlined a ship based on Germany’s own sea platforms, and was similar in design. Yet Israel must deal with a far more challenging environment, in which Hezbollah is stockpiling radar-guided shore-to-sea missiles that can target the navy, offshore gas drilling rigs in the Mediterranean and strategically vital sites, such as civilian sea ports – just the type of threat the Sa’ar-6 will be designed to counter.

“From our perspective, the designs did not match our requirements, such as the need for a low radar signature,” a source from the navy’s Weapons Department told The Jerusalem Post in recent days. “Our challenge was: How do we now create a platform with a radar signature that suits our needs?” The radar signature issue is not merely technical; it impacts the ability of the navy’s future ships to evade detection and destroy the enemy before being hit themselves.

“Radar signatures dictate the range in which enemy radars, or the radars of other forces that we do not necessarily want detecting us, can see us. The more we decrease the detection, the lower the chances of us being hit,” the officer explained.

Even if detected, a more stealthy vessel stands a much better chance of avoiding radar-guided missiles, after they are fired from the Lebanese or Syrian coastline by Hezbollah mobile launchers.

On the other hand, the source said, the Israel Navy needs to have a “robust structure” for the four Sa’ar- 6 corvettes, a requirement that seems to contradict the stealthy aspect. With the ships due to begin arriving at Israeli naval bases from mid- 2019, the engineers faced a dilemma, and they had to solve it quickly.

Members of the naval Weapons Department went to work, redesigning the vessel.

Two members of the division led the process. One is a brilliant designer for whom “physics is a hobby,” the source said, and the second is an electronics engineer.

“They worked around the clock, interacting frequently with the German engineers. At first, it was hard for the Germans to envisage this working. Then, we could begin to see their enthusiasm about reaching our goals,” the source recalled.

The end result is a low-signature missile corvette, the largest yet to serve in the navy, which will guard the offshore rigs with two air defense systems on board. They will be able to fire guided, accurate sea-to-surface missiles back at Hezbollah’s launchers, if necessary.

The story is one of the latest involving some of the 160 engineers from the Weapons Department, who are responsible for developing and installing all of the arms, sensors and navigational equipment on board Israel’s sea platforms.

Time is never on the side of the engineers, the source said. Foes like Hezbollah are rapidly increasing their strike capability, smuggling arms into weapons depots and forcing the navy to fast-track its own development programs.

“The rate at which new threats arrive in our arena is high. New risks to our platforms, and to Israeli strategic assets, force us to be in an arms race,” the source stated.

The arms race means naval engineers have to “think outside of the box,” said the source. “This is a critical story for our sailors who operate our systems. If I don’t provide solutions in reasonable time, we might find that by the time our systems have matured, the threats have changed, rendering our systems irrelevant. We must shorten the development time.”

One way of doing that is by using existing building blocks – components of systems that exist on other, currently serving missile ships, and adapting them to the Sa’ar-6, the source said. Sometimes, defense industry representatives and the Defense Ministry pitch in, to help make the tight deadlines. This is one of the ways in which the navy will have ready a phased array digital radar, made by IAI Elta, in time for the Sa’ar-6’s roll out. The radar will control the Barak-8 surface-to-air missile system, a seabased version of Iron Dome, and other, classified weapons.

The radar will also detect threats in ways current radars are not capable of doing.

“The Sa’ar-6 is the main driving engine behind the navy’s development programs,” the source said. “It is the central combat platform of the navy, and will bring many new technologies,” he added. This includes new command and control systems, based on older ones but adjusted and upgraded for the larger corvettes. Additionally, new satellite communications systems will appear on board.

The navy is in the process of selecting a new cannon for the ship. For close-range defenses, it will keep the Typhoon remote weapon station that is on the older ships.

One of the big challenges in designing the ship, the source said, was figuring out how to install dozens of systems and sensors that broadcast and receive signals, and “reach an optimal situation in which they do not interfere with each other. Otherwise, there will be one big mess on board.”

The Sa’ar-6 will have an upgraded counter-electronic warfare system.

“These systems really are a breakthrough,” the source added.

“The IDF views these ships as a central component in offensive and defensive operations,” he said. After they arrive, the ships will become part of a digital IDF network, enabling them to integrate fully with the air force and ground forces.

In the meantime, the engineers from the Weapons Department will continue to race against the clock, and against Hezbollah’s quietly growing stockpile of advanced missiles.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/How-navy-engineers-made-the-next-missile-ship-stealthy-455048

 

[cabatli_53]

Being founded with the aim to provide a subjugated religious minority, a separate homeland where their fundamental rights may be secure is not the only commonality between the states of Pakistan and Israel. Both countries find themselves outgunned, outnumbered and outspent by neighbouring enemies and as a result find themselves relying on unconventional and out-of-the-box solutions to mitigate their disadvantaged position and maximise the gains from a limited military spending.

A good example would be the Israeli Navy's Sa'ar 5 and the underdevelopment Sa'ar 6 Class corvettes. These small corvettes pack the firepower of a vessel twice or even thrice their size. Their state-of-the-art multifunction/All-in-one EL/M-2248 MF-STAR AESA radar is capable of performing tasks that would be performed by 2 or maybe 3 separate radars on previous generation ships like Pakistan Navy's Zulfiqar Class Frigate. The same MF-STAR AESA radar of the 1300 tonnes Sa'ar 5 and 2000 tonnes Sa'ar 6 is shared by the 8000 tonnes Kolkatta Class Destroyer of the Indian Navy as its primary sensor.

Another unique feature of the brilliant Sa'ar 6 corvette is the high number missile launchers it is to have. The ship will have 32 cell vertical launch system in addition to 16 antiship missile launchers. It is the only ship in the world of its size to have such a high rate of firepower. It even outdoes the 3200 tonnes Formidable Class frigate of Singapore Navy.

The underdevelopment 2000 tonnes Israeli Sa'ar 6 Class Corvette




The MF-STAR AESA modules can be seen on Sa'ar 5 Corvette's mast.




Now that both Israeli Corvettes have been introduced, we shall move on to how we can incorporate such solutions on Pakistan Navy's new vessels.

Going by Pakistan Navy's history of procurements and the recent reports regarding the purchase of these new vessels, It would be safe to say that the vessels would be based on Milgem-Class, but customised according to Pakistan Navy's specifications.

There was a recent report about a request to enlarge the size of Milgems and it was speculated that the number of vertical launching cells was to be increased. However, there is plenty of space to increase the number of vertical launching systems from 16 to 32 without resizing the vessel.

For surface-to-air missiles, Pakistan Navy would probably look into Turkey Hisar family. The Chief of Army Staff has already been shown Hisar-A and Hisar-O missile systems. Hisar-U is the long range missile of the family and is currently under-development. It is the equivalent of Israeli 90 KM range Barak-8 and being used by Israeli and Indian Navy. It would be prudent to operationalise this long-range missile with the vessels. The empowerment of Pakistan Navy's surface fleet which has been propagated by Navy's senior officials in recent interviews, cannot be achieved without this specific capability. The selection of Zulfiqar-Class with a poor hull design was a setback for the Navy. If we go by the hull's design, the frigate seems like a downgrade from the Type-21 it replaced. I hope that such a performance would not be repeated in future.

The other subsystem that should be considered here is the Multifunction AESA radar from Aselsan's CAFRAD radar suite. The sensor suite is made up from three different types of AESA radar systems, Each type has four modules that have been integrated into the mast for a high-performance 360-degree surveillance. Beside the Multifunction AESA radar, the other two types of radar integrated into the suite are not of any use to Pakistan Navy. The other two being the long range air surveillance radar for ballistic missile defence and the Illuminator radar for terminal semi-active homing of Turkey's ESSM and the future SM-3 missile.

As Pakistan Navy is not planning to induct US missiles and BMD capability, It can request a customised CAFRAD mast incorporating just the Multifunction AESA radar. CAFRAD is a very modular design so such a thing would not be a problem. This radar would be an equivalent of Israel's MF-STAR AESA.

Aselsan CAFRAD Mast

The Multifunction AESA module.

CAFRAD is a big non-rotating radar mast solution to be integrated on a frigate/destroyer called TF-2000 having a weight around 7000t. She will be operated as main sensor of the ship which is thought to be gained great capabilities thanks to defensive/offensive opportunities CAFRAD provides. TN power projection requires such strong warships having long range surveillance/striking abilities on multiple targets simultaneously on sole platform. TF-2000 will be useful to provide protection for Turkey's newly constructed (232m length, 28000t) LHD called TCG Anadolu.

CAFRAD GaN based Radar Mast contains following assets (From down to top):

-Long range Radar
-Multi-Purpose Radar
-Illumination Radar
-IFF antenna
-Electronic Attack/Electronic Support/Counter Measure modules
-Satellite Communication antenna

Multi-function radar: 20,000 G-modules on four side. GaN based modules are produced by AB micronano, an Aselsan corporation.
Illumination radar: 20,000 G-modules on four side. GaN based modules are produced by AB micronano, an Aselsan corporation.
IFF Range: 250nm: 470km

1000+ target following capability
~500km range surveillance capability

CAFRAD studies on TF-2000

 

[RAMPAGE]

CAFRAD is a big non-rotating radar mast solution to be integrated on a frigate/destroyer called TF-2000 having a weight around 7000t. She will be operated as main sensor of the ship which is thought to be gained great capabilities thanks to defensive/offensive opportunities CAFRAD provides. TN power projection requires such strong warships having long range surveillance/striking abilities on multiple targets simultaneously on sole platform.

CAFRAD GaN based Radar Mast contains following assets (From down to top):

-Long range Radar
-Multi-Purpose Radar
-Illumination Radar
-IFF antenna
-Electronic Attack/Electronic Support/Counter Measure modules
-Satellite Communication antenna

Multi-function radar: 20,000 G-modules on four side. GaN based modules are produced by AB micronano.
Illumination radar: 20,000 G-modules on four side. GaN based modules are produced by AB micronano.
IFF Range: 250nm: 470km (IFF antenna seen on above image at right top corner side)

1000+ target following capability
~500km range surveillance capability

I hope you got the point I was trying to make. The average PDF user or even our Minister for Defence Production (who is a politician) wouldn't know what to make of CAFRAD sensor suite. They don't know what an Illumination radar is for and what's the use of an X-band long-range air surveillance AESA radar. Aselsan should be offering the multifunction AESA of CAFRAD to PN for the new ships. Makes perfect sense and would be very attractive if was offered with the Hisar-Family SAM system. Pakistan is already looking at the Umkhonto family so it might be a good idea for Turkey to offer Pakistan to join the Hisar program.

 

[cabatli_53]

I hope you got the point I was trying to make. The average PDF user or even our Minister for Defence Production (who is a politician) wouldn't know what to make of CAFRAD sensor suite. They don't know what an Illumination radar is for and what's the use of an X-band long-range air surveillance AESA radar. Aselsan should be offering the multifunction AESA of CAFRAD to PN for the new ships. Makes perfect sense and would be very attractive if was offered with the Hisar-Family SAM system. Pakistan is already looking at the Umkhonto family so it might be a good idea for Turkey to offer Pakistan to join the Hisar program.

Bro, Turkish institutes are oriented to develop their products not only meet the requirements of own armed forces, but also ally countries so The products to be developed, should reflect the state of art latest technological gains on board such as GaN modules on radar, QWIP detectors on E/O. When it comes to export some strategic military assets, It is politic/politicians starting to play key role between states even If you offer the best so Countries have their own play zone over countries that sayings have much value than others If It is the ally/brother state communicating each other. It is the reason Turkey's STM could beat French naval giant institute to upgrade French made submarines operated by PN. As a kind response, Turkey purchases super Mushak trainers from Pakistan instead of Western sources. Those issues are being considered carefully by officials and the preparations are being made in accordance those facts. It is the reason Turkey wants to see Pakistan as a partner of TF-X project instead of the Denmark, Norway, Argentina like countries. In that consequences, Turkish products are always offered to brother states under the direct order/cooperation/ToT and joint venture project models because Those regions are inside of our close friends/brothers both politically, historically and economically so It won't be a surprise for me When we saw officials who made contact for Hisar SAM missiles or CAFRAD ToT cooperation to improve the industrial and military capabilities. As long as we made progress on such strategic projects to be a partner of each other, It enables us to break the arrogance of Western states towards Muslim population.

Here is a big official family of domestic SAM system named Hisar for ambitious independence for protection of own sky :

-Hisar MANPADS VSHORAD: 4km altitude, 6km range (replacement for stinger) -2018
-Hisar-A low altitude, 10 Km altitude 16 Km+ range, IIR guidance - 2018
-Hisar-O Medium altitude, 15 Km altitude 30+ Km range, IIR guidance -2018/19
-Hisar-N High altitude medium range, 20km altitude 50 Km range, IIR-RF guidance -2019/20
-Hisar-U High altitude long range, 20 Km+ altitude 100-150 Km range, IIR-RF guidance 2023

Hisar-A Dual Pulse Rocket Motor test

Bro, Just be sure that If TF-X like project, which is known as the most complicated and strategic project of Turkish defense industry, is being put on table for a joint production/development with Pakistan, There is not any single project from Hisar, Altay, CAFRAD, Mizrak, TF-2000 that is kept secret/closed to brother Pakistan If It is requested by officials. We never know What is being talked between brothers under the table ! What we are talking is the one that is allowed to be released to public

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Considering the Arrival Times of Submarines (2023-2030 fairly far away)

• Obviously there would be delay for The Turkish Corvette - due to backlog of items for Turkish Navy. They have need for their own 8 ships , after that our 2-3 Ships would come into play (Looking at 5-7 years)

• It would make sense for Pakistan to invest in 4 Frigates bought second hand. For short term service , till new units commission. There would be ample ships available in Market that could be used for 8-10 year service (Fill Gap)

Of course with Goal of still ordering the Turkish ships , but these will come over time

• 5-6 More fast attack ships can be constructed locally of course

The enemy (next door) obviously have sinister plans, a minimum deterrence has to be maintained


Second Hand is perhaps a good step to fill the Gap Immediate needs, the new ships will arrive in 5-10 year time frame

• UK
• Italy
  
• US

If obviously the delivery time of Turkish ship is 2-3 years in Pakistani Docks then by all means 4-6 Units of Turkish type ideal case

 

[amardeep mishra]

CAFRAD GaN based Radar Mast contains following assets (From down to top):

-Long range Radar
-Multi-Purpose Radar
-Illumination Radar
-IFF antenna
-Electronic Attack/Electronic Support/Counter Measure modules
-Satellite Communication antenna

Hi dear @cabatli_53
It seems aselsan has taken the conventional route of having separate radar for separate tasks.I mean as I can see and as you have clearly mentioned that cafard will have 3 separate radars for 3 separate tasks,dont you think it is a far cry from the multi-functional radars that other manufacturers have designed? If you look at similar radar that india has designed,then you will find only one radar operating in S band doing all the 3(the 4th task of IFF is handled by a separate antenna though!) tasks.As you can see arudra can render multi-beam for various tasks like volume search,tracking etc etc thanks to a feature known as digital beam forming!
Secondly has this radar been already designed or is it in development phase?Any real pics apart from CG? And lastly can you kindly provide official statements from aselsan regarding the technical specs of this radar in the same format as i have provided for LRDE's arudra.

PS- I feel it is a good step by turkey to venture into long range radar arena.What i find amazing about this radar is that unlike other AESA radars like our own,it has GaN T/R elements which can discharge much more power vis-a-vis GaAs design. Kudos if it is their own intellectual property!
PSS-Kindly post real pics!

 

[cabatli_53]

Hi dear @cabatli_53
It seems aselsan has taken the conventional route of having separate radar for separate tasks.I mean as I can see and as you have clearly mentioned that cafard will have 3 separate radars for 3 separate tasks,dont you think it is a far cry from the multi-functional radars that other manufacturers have designed? If you look at similar radar that india has designed,then you will find only one radar operating in S band doing all the 3(the 4th task of IFF is handled by a separate antenna though!) tasks.As you can see arudra can render multi-beam for various tasks like volume search,tracking etc etc thanks to a feature known as digital beam forming!
Secondly has this radar been already designed or is it in development phase?Any real pics apart from CG? And lastly can you kindly provide official statements from aselsan regarding the technical specs of this radar in the same format as i have provided for LRDE's arudra.

PS- I feel it is a good step by turkey to venture into long range radar arena.What i find amazing about this radar is that unlike other AESA radars like our own,it has GaN T/R elements which can discharge much more power vis-a-vis GaAs design. Kudos if it is their own intellectual property!
PSS-Kindly post real pics!

Dear @amardeep mishra,

CAFRAD is designed to have separate radars on same mast because They are used for different type of threats to be posed by various type of enemy assets. A single radar platform on a big and strategic warship costing almost billion $, can't respond different threats in war times.

For exm.
-S band surveillance radars are to track and update fast moving targets from way longer ranges such as ballistic missiles, aircrafts, bombers, AWACS, even satellites...etc but;
-X band multi-function radars are good at detecting the targets locating on close ranges preciously from fixed to rotating wings, cruise missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles, submarine periscopes, small boats, anti-ship missiles..etc.
-Illumination radar solution is to guide RF guided long range missiles preciously.
-IFF has a separate antennas but working under the same network for all radars. IFF informs all X and S band radar operators to identify the threat type from the ranges up to 450-470km.


CAFRAD project is commenced in 08.2013. It is planned to start trials in 2018. We don't have an image introducing the real prototypes at present.

GaN modules/chips are being developed by AB micronano which is established by Aselsan/Bilkent university collaboration.

http://abmikronano.com.tr/

GaN modules/chips based RF technologies of Turkish industry

Radars are being produced by Aselsan REHIS installation in Gölbaşı Ankara which is known as one of the biggest Radar and Electronic warfare module producer of Europe.

Thales Netherlands exports Smart-S mk2 radars having a range of 250km with Aselsan T/R modules.
http://www.aselsan.com.tr/tr-tr/AnaSayfaBanner/Thales_Banner.jpg

 

[amardeep mishra]

They are used for different type of threats to be posed by various type of enemy assets. A single radar platform on a big and strategic warship costing almost billion $, can't respond different threats in war times.

Hi dear @cabatli_53 ,
I dont think thats entirely correct,based on my little experience with phased array radars,different radars are used for different purposes because of the physical advantages each band renders.For instance a radar working on longer waves are normally used for long range volume search whereas to guide a missile or for tracking a very fast moving object X-band is normally a preferred choice because of the range resolution it offers. Kindly note that a higher frequency has a superior range resolution vis-a-vis a longer wave,but unlike a longer wave it suffers a much higher degree of attenuation travelling through atmosphere. As for the target identification,every radar has signature of known aerial vehicles. For rotary wings and rotating objects radars normally use,something known as "RADAM" algorithm that basically tells the signal processor by how many degrees the incoming echo is out of phase with transmitted pulse. For instance in case of a 3-bladded heli,the incoming echo will be 120 degrees out of phase with transmitted pulse. This is very important in case of heli hovering "just over" trees and bushes. Because in this case,if we use conventional means of doppler shift then the incoming echo from trees and ground will be much more dominating than the echo from a heli.
I hope you get what I am trying to explain.Please pardon my explaination as I am feeling very sleepy!

@cabatli_53
Another India designed multifunctional AESA with range 200kms
https://defence.pk/threads/army-for-new-low-level-radars.371355/

 

[cabatli_53]

Hi dear @cabatli_53 ,
I dont think thats entirely correct,based on my little experience with phased array radars,different radars are used for different purposes because of the physical advantages each band renders.For instance a radar working on longer waves are normally used for long range volume search whereas to guide a missile or for tracking a very fast moving object X-band is normally a preferred choice because of the range resolution it offers. Kindly note that a higher frequency has a superior range resolution vis-a-vis a longer wave,but unlike a longer wave it suffers a much higher degree of attenuation travelling through atmosphere. As for the target identification,every radar has signature of known aerial vehicles. For rotary wings and rotating objects radars normally use,something known as "RADAM" algorithm that basically tells the signal processor by how many degrees the incoming echo is out of phase with transmitted pulse. For instance in case of a 3-bladded heli,the incoming echo will be 120 degrees out of phase with transmitted pulse. This is very important in case of heli hovering "just over" trees and bushes. Because in this case,if we use conventional means of doppler shift then the incoming echo from trees and ground will be much more dominating than the echo from a heli.
I hope you get what I am trying to explain.Please pardon my explaination as I am feeling very sleepy!

@cabatli_53
Another India designed multifunctional AESA with range 200kms
https://defence.pk/threads/army-for-new-low-level-radars.371355/

Thx for detail explanation about frequencies but It is a complicated issue indeed and require a deep expertise. Turkish industry is developing "Arudhra" like similar radars having multi functions on field but The Naval mast solutions are also very similar on Western examples that Turkish institutes are working closely.

Thales I-Mast solution
Aegis Radar solutions

Those two are also working similar S and X band different radar solutions on same mast complex that is used for long and precision target detection & early warning and fire control modes. Selex prefers X band and C band radar on similar naval mast solution. I mean Almost all countries who is willing to develop similar systems, are applying similar concepts to benefit the advantages of different wave lengths, While covering the deficiency of them on non-rotating platforms.

@Quwa
Hi quwa,LRDE bangalore has also designed couple of decent AESA radars lately.Here are some pics.This medium powered AESA has an instrumented range of 400kms and can track 200 targets at the same time! It features digital beam forming as against legacy beam forming in analog domain.
This is the first time a big AESA radar has been designed by the LRDE. Most important aspect of this radar is that the fundamental building block of this AESA i.e T/R modules are an intellectual property of LRDE- i.e LRDE holds the patent of the design. THeir design has 8 distinct T/R modules embedded on a single chip thereby providing high density.
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Very similar projects from Aselsan.

S band
Active phased array technology
Around 500km range (up to 700km in accordance with changing the target type)
IFF on board
Early Warning & Fire Control radars
2018-19 (Inventory acceptation)


TEIRS (4 on order)
http://www.millisavunma.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/TEIRS.jpg


SEIRS (18 on order planning)
http://www.millisavunma.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/SEIRS.jpg