PN New Helicopter Procurement

[khanasifm]

Ok based on video the winch and missile / torpedo pylons are added when needed so all six have same capability but may need Config changes

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

PN will continue to operate the small sized Z-9C in the ASW/Weapons Delivery Platform/Shipborne SAR roles.

Sea King Mk 45s have been and still are the main stay of helo operations for the PN.
ASW/ASV/SAR/Surveillance/SSGN Ops are the main roles and will continue.

A replacement program for the Sea Kings is in place and will take some time.
AH101 is the main contender.

No medium sized helo induction is planned as of now.

 

[Yasser76]

PN will continue to operate the small sized Z-9C in the ASW/Weapons Delivery Platform/Shipborne SAR roles.

Sea King Mk 45s have been and still are the main stay of helo operations for the PN.
ASW/ASV/SAR/Surveillance/SSGN Ops are the main roles and will continue.

A replacement program for the Sea Kings is in place and will take some time.
AH101 is the main contender.

No medium sized helo induction is planned as of now.

If thats true then this is bad news. Essentially our MILGEMS and DAMENS will have no helicopters on them.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

If thats true then this is bad news. Essentially our MILGEMS and DAMENS will have no helicopters on them.

Milgems can accommodate a Sea King sized helo.
OPVs will board the Z-9s.

 

[Yasser76]

Milgems can accommodate a Sea King sized helo.
OPVs will board the Z-9s.

I am not so sure, and even if they could we simply do not have enough helicopters. Also Sea Kings are needed for coastal SAR and Special Forces use.

It is obvious we are in urgent need of naval helicopters. With Z-9 and Sea King we have just 12 helicopters and 17 surface vessals.

 

[FuturePAF]

glad someone understands I have been saying it for years

simple reason is ignorance, all the established powers have them

Chinese are totally guilty of it too, building scores of warships and zero helicopters

basically lack of naval strategy they have more LPD and LHD than choppers

warships have TAS, VDS and bow sonar but the helicopter provides mobile ASW platform and any submarines captain worst nightmare

many countries who are new to naval affairs are guilty of not providing helicopters

They tend not to commit to a platform unless it perform well enough to serve long term. Now that the Z-20 project is bearing fruit, it might go into mass production as the primary naval and army helicopter. The Chinese also have a requirement for a heavier helicopter; which they are working on with Russia, and that may form the heavier ASW capabilities for their destroyers and LPD and LHD as well as Carriers.

Pakistan may end up going for the Chinese Z-20 if only for the reliable supply of engines, and may customize it with their party after market additions.

Source: http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.com/p/helicopters-iii.html#Z-20F

Advanced Heavy lift helicopter in the same class as the AW-101, and may also be a helicopter for the Chinese President.

 

[LKJ86]

Chinese are totally guilty of it too, building scores of warships and zero helicopters

PLAN knows what she needs much better than others, and puts them in order of priority.

 

[Pandora]

All Chinese Frigates will feature Z10 whereas Milgem will probably feature AW series Helo which will help a lot considering we are planning to induct AW139 in a sizeable number. I doubt PN will opt for any further British Helos considering lot of US strings attached to their products.

 

[ziaulislam]

They tend not to commit to a platform unless it perform well enough to serve long term. Now that the Z-20 project is bearing fruit, it might go into mass production as the primary naval and army helicopter. The Chinese also have a requirement for a heavier helicopter; which they are working on with Russia, and that may form the heavier ASW capabilities for their destroyers and LPD and LHD as well as Carriers.

Pakistan may end up going for the Chinese Z-20 if only for the reliable supply of engines, and may customize it with their party after market additions.

Source: http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.com/p/helicopters-iii.html#Z-20F

Advanced Heavy lift helicopter in the same class as the AW-101, and may also be a helicopter for the Chinese President.

to be honest z-20 is the only affordable option PN can hope for..
second option is to do a JV for medium size heli with turkey /SA etc but i dont see that happening, JF17 was one off thing

 

[Tank131]

Im not entirely sure where people get the idea that the Z-9C is a useless helicopter or that it has shit range... It has a 1000km ferry range on internal fuel or 640nmi...that is more than the SH-90/NH-90 which have a 500nmi range. That being said it is obviously not nearly as robust an aircraft and cant carry quite the load of the sea hawk, but it is carries a 1900kg internal or 1600kg slung load vs a 2700kg/1900kg load for the seahawk. It is roughly on par performance wise for significantly less cost. It is adequate for Anti-sub and SAR. BUT it doesnt carry AShM which is where it falls short. I think for the time being you will continue to see it on all Chinese made PN ships and Im fine with it. The MILGEM and Damen will likely support the Sea King for now and may get them replaced as a replacement becomes available. I would like to see PAC get ToT with local MANUFACTURING of the AW139. It seems PAF and PA are committed to it for theor utility needs of the future and it boasts better range, payload and speed than the Nighthawk/Seahawk. Even the USAF selected it over the nighthawk in 2018 for guarding ICBMs (MH-139 made with boeing) and as VIP transport and is getting 80 or so choppers.
So if PA/PAF are committed to it, PN should be brought on board and directed to get on board and go with the same chopper for redundancy and cost lowering for logistics. Work with Leonardo to develop a navalized version to be equipped with Sonobuey, depth charges, light weight torpedos and ability to launch either exocet, Harpoon or Atmaca. This can be done with minimum cost all Pakistani AW139 should be made in Pakistan.

 

[nomi007]

No Money No Problem.

 

[khanasifm]

If thats true then this is bad news. Essentially our MILGEMS and DAMENS will have no helicopters on them.

Heli are assigned when ship goes to sea and in peace time they rotate so for now not an issue but eventually the fleet will get more heli and 054 will come with it a assigned 4 heli type most probably z9 not sure about Turkish and Danish

The new Chinese heli is too new to be inducted , z-20 and need time to mature but is 8-10 ton class vs 4 ton z-9 still a big jump against Aérospatiale Alouette III of 1.5 /2 tons class

One reason z-9 was selected perhaps because basically it’s western tested or French design and most of sensor are also French system copied