PM says Israel threat to region, implements state terrorism

[Aldin]

so would be the syrians, armenians, greeks, azeris etc etc!

You are forgetting that Israelis are the ones who started the nuclear race in Middle East, not the Turks or Iranians.

 

[ayibarishi]

As I said Israel accepted Palmer report conflusions, Erdogan rejected. This Turkish acticle is explaining better than me Israel's reasoning:

as you said also?.. after the palmer report (palmer comission has political members. but another and offical un law comission said certainly gazza blockade definetly illegal. you can accept that.

U.N. Human Rights Chief: Israel's Blockade of Gaza Strip Is Illegal - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com
BBC News - ICRC says Israel's Gaza blockade breaks law

and maybe you can say also: israeli breake un laws more than a 65 times since 1992. total number is very high than this. you can also accept that crime and resposibilty of this actions.

only one "political" camission say something about. but you cant erase other thinks. you cant erase israeli crimes, hipocracy and sauciness...

You should understand simple thing: geopolitics are beyond silly pride games. It was the strategic decission of Erdogan to ditch Israel in favor of union with Arabs (first Syria then Egypt). Everything else is just pretexts. Turkey stopped joint expercises with Israel in 2009 and in same year conducted for the frst time joint drill with Syria. All that happened a year before flotilla.

and you should understand this simple thing: every nation, every race has a differecies. turkish diffencies lying in our hearth. we build many empires with our hearth. of course we used logic, geopolitic, strategy, etc. etc. but all of this factor serve our hearh. when our hearth is broken, world is bleeding sooner or later. maybe this is strange concept for you. but it's also true. our silly pride much much more valuable our childrens lives.

if you have a right to declare war because 2 kidnapt soldier. we have right much much more for murdered 9 innocent people.

... 2006 - 2008 era. we are mediator betveen israel and syria. in this time erdoğan is a prime minister also. and true beginning our conflicts lying this time period. your leadersihp broken many promises to give us. broken our thrust. after that we stopped the joint exercises and other thinks. your leadership is very bad condition, and with that people yo can find only more pain.

nearly 850 years ago. ottoman empires founders father (ertuğrul gazi) migration to anatolia. they tribe scouts came hot, and he says two army angaged each other in amasya fields. ertugrul gazi gave order: on your horse. 500 brave turkish cavalary to flow like thunder amasya fields. when they arrived they looked stuation. one small army loosing battle. other big army closeing victory every moment. they can not think twice. 500 cavalary joining battle in the weak side. and with our halp weak side has a victory. this weak side is anatolian selçuklu (turkish), big side is anatolian tatar (turkish also). and selçuklu king give this tribe bilecik land for their help. we build ottoman empire in this land.

we arguing all this time. and i hope something. maybe you can ask this question: "why this turk so mad?" i try to explain with example: when you meet the new guy, talking and little little flirting with him. than after he choose another women and sleeping with her. you can not disturbed this stuation. you happy, he happy, she happy, what else... but if you marry some other man. you share something with him many years. he build a thrust with you. then after he cheating you with other women. you will be naturally mad.

my ancestors fight in many front lines. in my mother side our greate greate dad fight in saudi arabia, philistine and south lebanon. he lived also prisioning english army camp. he return with many stories about arabs. nearly all of our people has some sense some motion against arabs. but thanks for your blind and ignorant administration we're taking side with that people. and this is plus factor to irritating me.

i say again: you will pay but its not too late. we are not amerikans. (you bombed one american intel ship and killed many american soldier in it before. but amerikans choose forgotting.) we are not forget. this time maybe one apology is enough, but tomorrow maybe thousands of israelian lifes is not enough. time is flow with natures rules...

 

[RedBeard]

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[ovarel]

Heron UAVs blah blah blah,as if they were gifts from Israel. We paid for them for fuks sake. All the other things that Israel did were in exchange for the Turkeys support to Israel's legitimacy. Btw our relations have not been good always as some naive "erdogan did this blah blah" guys think. Our relations was sky-rocketed only in 90s. Now they are threatening thye stability and order in the ME. If they learn to live peacefully with the Palestinians,to stop blaming others and take responsibility then Turkey-Israel relations may normalize. We and the policy-makers arent categorically oppose Israel. If they dont then our relations better stay low.

 

[ayibarishi]

this is my last note in this topic:

if you try the understand turkish people. if you need a foresight for turkish incoming action. you do not need iq. you need eq.
i wish all jewish people talk to your turkish orijinated israeli citizens. talk to your own acedemician, turkologist, political and military analys specialist. i believe thay can say something about it...

and because of our moral values, we have a greate bond and brotherhood with indian, bangladesh, afganistan and specially pakistani friends.

 

[Solomon2]

Compared to your people, i believe every other people is more educated and smarter.

So it's because of what Turks believe they already know that gets in the way of their learning better. This is a common failing of cultures relying on rote-based education - not an inherent characteristic. Dictators love it because they get their story in to their people first, it sticks in their heads even after they've heard later accounts from more reliable sources.

Is there a better way to destroy that attitude that open, loud, and repeated contradiction, relying upon the facts?

 

[silko]

I sincerely hope Iran and Turkey develop their nuclear arsenals as soon as possible.

They will not be safe until they have them.

brother, we have no intention of arming us with nukes. no use to anyway...

we are a signer of npt. Iran to, Israel however...

Turkey is one of the states that fights for a nuclear free ME.

 

[Tshering22]

The topic scared the daylights out of me at first. For a wild moment, I thought MMS made the call . If he had, I'd have spat on his face for this remark. But anyway now this topic is between Turkey and Israel.

 

[500]

The military exercises only stopped AFTER Israel withdraw from the Syrian peace process, and then started the bombing of GAZA.

1) What Israel-Turkey relationships has to do with Syria and Gaza? Israel never attacked Turkey for its operations against Kurds.
2) Thanks God that we did not gave strategic Golan heights to that psychopath that slaughters own people.
3) War in GAZA was started by Hamas, when they refused to resume case fire and launched massive shelling of Israel:

Maan News Agency: Hamas: 87 shells fired at Israeli targets in 24 hours

This is link from 2 days before the Israeli operation in Gaza.

its not about pride! it is about justice! They insulted our ambassador, despised our country, killed our people. Dont accuse us of playing silly proud and honour games when we react! Perhaps your goverment should stop playing the bully, the spoiled child! And start acting like real state!

I repeat: Erdogan ditched Israel for Syria before all this.

And i don't even like Erdogan they are all too much talk! When your soldier and ships were surrounding and preparing to board the MARMARA. We expected him to order the Konya airbase and send the F-16s in they would be in the scene in less than a half an hour! That would be a more suitable response! But he only talked and embarrased our countries military reputation!

You really wish to sacrifice thousands of your peple for Hamas terrorists?

 

[RedBeard]

So it's because of what Turks believe they already know that gets in the way of their learning better. This is a common failing of cultures relying on rote-based education - not an inherent characteristic. Dictators love it because they get their story in to their people first, it sticks in their heads even after they've heard later accounts from more reliable sources.

Is there a better way to destroy that attitude that open, loud, and repeated contradiction, relying upon the facts?

Those people protested against the murder of little children in mass numbers! According to you they protest only because they're ignorant and uneducated! Thats enormous disgusting despicable thing to presume!

 

[500]

You are forgetting that Israelis are the ones who started the nuclear race in Middle East, not the Turks or Iranians.

You are forgetting that its Egypt and Iraq who started to use WMD in Middle East, not Israel.

Heron UAVs blah blah blah,as if they were gifts from Israel. We paid for them for fuks sake. All the other things that Israel did were in exchange for the Turkeys support to Israel's legitimacy. Btw our relations have not been good always as some naive "erdogan did this blah blah" guys think. Our relations was sky-rocketed only in 90s.

Only two countries produce these kind UAVs in the world: Israel and US. In order US agree to sell Predators Turkey was forced to agree to putanti Iranian radar, oficially burrying its "zero problems with neighbors policy". More over only Israel agreed to put Turkish pods on UAVs.

Now they are threatening thye stability and order in the ME.

When Hamas fires 87 shells a day at civilians its fine, but when Israel dares to reply its threatning stability

 

[RedBeard]

You really wish to sacrifice thousands of your peple for Hamas terrorists?

For hamas terrorists!!?? Thousends of my people!!!?? Are you threatening my people with death!! Do you really think Turks will be scared of your nukes, military or USA?

 

[500]

For hamas terrorists!!?? Thousends of my people!!!?? Are you threatening my people with death!! Do you really think Turks will be scared of your nukes, military or USA?

If you start war with Israel will be thousands of dead. Ask your new Syrian and Egyptian allies.

 

[RedBeard]

If you start war with Israel will be thousands of dead. Ask your new Syrian and Egyptian allies.

Thousends of dead of my people means also thousends of dead for your people, and we will annex your country!

 

[Tshering22]

Thousends of dead of my people means also thousends of dead for your people, and we will annex your country!

My dear man, talk sense. An all out war between you two will annihilate middle east entirely. Nothing will be left but irradiated dust. Israel may or may not remain but no one else will. Do you want that? Life is too beautiful to be destroyed. What's Israel doing to Turkey? Any territory problem? NO. Any people problem? NO. It started only when flotilla came. Before that all was fine between you two. Then why needle and start a war?

Both your countries are beautiful and modern. Without any regional or territorial disputes, there is no reason for you to fight.