PM rules out Musharraf’s treason trial

[SSGPA1]

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on Wednesday ruled out his government would seek a trial of former military president Pervez Musharraf for high treason, declining — at the risk of a political fallout — a PML-N demand in the National Assembly for the second time this month that the house pass a resolution to call for such a course.
Mr Gilani seemed moving even a step away from his earlier stand that he would act against ex-army chief General Musharraf for violating the Constitution if the 342-seat lower house made a demand in a unanimous resolution, by questioning the feasibility of the idea in a tumultuous sitting marked by angry shouts between lawmakers of the opposition PML-N and government-allied MQM.

‘We should do what is doable,’ he said while responding to a hard-hitting speech from opposition leader Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan, who said he had the draft of a resolution ready and would move it in the house if the prime minister agreed, to demand that the government invoke Article 6 of the Constitution to try the former president for his controversial Nov 3, 2007, emergency proclamation that was nullified by a July 31 ruling by the Supreme Court.

The opposition leader had first raised the issue in the house on Aug 5, saying his party had decided to move a resolution during the current session if the government did not act on its own as a consequence of the Supreme Court judgement, to which the prime minister responded by promising an improbable course that ‘if the whole house decides (on such course) in a unanimous resolution, we will implement it’.

The plan later seemed to have fizzled out after reported statements by PML-N leader Nawaz Sharif and other party spokesmen that a parliamentary resolution was not needed and that government should invoke Article 6 on its own after a 14-judge bench of the apex court declared the Nov 3 emergency and other related decrees as ‘unconstitutional, ultra-vires of the constitution and consequently being illegal and of no legal effect’.

But the opposition leader stuck to his promise by raising the issue again on Wednesday, two days before the possible prorogation of the session, saying he wanted the prime minister’s nod because his party alone could not see the resolution through and to see ‘who stands where’.

‘Whoever is friend of Musharraf is traitor,’ PML-N members chanted during Chaudhry Nisar’s speech in response to MQM protest shouts against his criticism of the Karachi-based party’s association first with Pakistan’s third military dictator late Gen Zia-ul-Haq and then with Gen Musharraf, bringing repeated calls from Speaker Fehmida Mirza for calm and tolerance between the rivals.

The prime minister said he had put the condition of a unanimous resolution for invoking Article 6 after the court ruling although he had already stated after taking office last year that he had forgiven Mr Musharraf and the ruling PPP chairman Bilawal Bhutto’s statement after the assassination of party leader Benazir Bhutto in December 2007 that ‘democracy is the best revenge’.

‘If you bring a unanimous resolution (even now) or our allies permit me, I am at your service,’ Mr Gilani said and added that ‘unless you agree (on this), parliament will not pass a resolution.’

This apparently dismayed the PML-N benches before the chair adjourned the house until 5pm on Thursday, disallowing the opposition leader to comment on the prime minister’s speech.

The opposition leader accused the ruling PPP of forgetting its promises in the past to try Gen Musharraf , and said: ‘It should be decided today who stands where.’

MQM deputy parliamentary leader Haider Abbas Rizvi complained his party had been used by both the PPP and PML-N whenever they needed its support but ignored afterwards and even subjected to military operations as he replied to the opposition leader’s criticism for what he called ‘befooling the people of Karachi’, siding with two military dictators and joining coalitions with the parties it accused of operations against it.

The house consumed most of the time on the treason issue after the question hour and a passing, without a debate, two government bills seeking to amend the Guardians and Wards Act of 1890, and the Family Courts Act of 1964.

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[SSGPA1]

The house consumed most of the time on the treason issue after the question hour and a passing, without a debate, two government bills seeking to amend the Guardians and Wards Act of 1890, and the Family Courts Act of 1964.

Thanks to PM now Pakistani Parliament will actually have some time to do their work which is law making.

Can you imagine we have court decisions based on some Act of 1890!

This was the British rule time and demographics have changed dramatically since.

Each and every act and law should reviewed and amended to meet the needs of today.

 

[Muradk]

Yar you can't touch the EX-COAS , Yes Mushy has a point he say hang me if you like but all the people are are under protection of NRO should be dealt first including Zardari and Nawaz brother. These people have sucked the blood of Pakistan and now they have become saints. My only regret is that if Mushy was taking over the country by force he should have cleaned up all these dirty bastards, So we can have a new start new people and people who would know that they will be held accountable for their actions.

 

[SSGPA1]

Yar you can't touch the EX-COAS , Yes Mushy has a point he say hang me if you like but all the people are are under protection of NRO should be dealt first including Zardari and Nawaz brother. These people have sucked the blood of Pakistan and now they have become saints. My only regret is that if Mushy was taking over the country by force he should have cleaned up all these dirty bastards, So we can have a new start new people and people who would know that they will be held accountable for their actions.

Sir it is great to have your comments in the National Poilitical Issues section as I was wanted to know your opinion.

I am glad that my opinion is pretty much the same as yours.

Good thing is that CJ has calmed down and handed over this responsibility to the Parliament.

 

[Muradk]

Sir it is great to have your comments in the National Poilitical Issues section as I was wanted to know your opinion.

I am glad that my opinion is pretty much the same as yours.

Good thing is that CJ has calmed down and handed over this responsibility to the Parliament.

Yar CJ whao apna aloo sida ker raha hae. Last thing he wants to finger Army. Kayani and Pasha both hold and control one of the most powerful institutions in the world, You don't want to mess with them by taking panga with Mushy. Because this time if Army comes CJ will be the first one to get his head chopped.

 

[Munir]

I still hope that Bilal and Zardari will be the first to be chopped. These guys are the worst of its kind. And Nawaz is a failed leader. He and his brother are purely anti mush cause they know that he will get more seats...

 

[Muradk]

I still hope that Bilal and Zardari will be the first to be chopped. These guys are the worst of its kind. And Nawaz is a failed leader. He and his brother are purely anti mush cause they know that he will get more seats...

You got it bro and eventually this will happen it might take some time but it will happen, If he can get his wife son is a piece of cake that blody quire boy, Knowing Zardari Bilal will not survive. He is still alive because he is needed for sympathy votes.

 

[graphican]

Yar you can't touch the EX-COAS , Yes Mushy has a point he say hang me if you like but all the people are are under protection of NRO should be dealt first including Zardari and Nawaz brother. These people have sucked the blood of Pakistan and now they have become saints. My only regret is that if Mushy was taking over the country by force he should have cleaned up all these dirty bastards, So we can have a new start new people and people who would know that they will be held accountable for their actions.

Why you cannot touch EX-COAS? Because he is COAS? Then learn you cannot touch Asif Ali Zardari or Nawaz Sharif or any Mass-Murderer Including Bugti, Baitullah Mehsood and All those demons who have robed this nation like anything. A COAS should be let-go because he is COAS? Just because of that? ENOUGH! Pakistan belongs to People of Pakistan as People of the country not to Army, nor to politicians and nor to those BS Americans who bring their white A$$ everyother day.

Musharraf must be hanged, either by Army, Civil Courts or by people like me who are not any less in number! In the eyes of God, every criminal is a criminal. Musharraf has charges against him. If he faces them and is proven innocent, fine. Else he must face the Music of his deeds.

 

[Fracker]

Seee guyz, i told you nothing going to happen. Zardari himself will protect Musharaf because of NRO. Stupid Pakistani politics.. I don't know why people even trust these guyz? Really feeling pakistani future heading towards darks. Interestingly everyone say democracy improve country, while Marshal Law sent it back. BUY, if we look at the fact an figures.. pakistan made a world record while recording 6.8% GNP in 8 years of Zia-ul-haq. Similarly, in only musharaf's time Pakistan manage to get 4th position while recording highest GTP per ca-pita in 2007. Similarly neither in Zia's time, or musharaf's time, pakistan never toke any loan from IMF or World Bank. But each time democratic government join the party, pakistan required too much loans to drag pakistan towards next yr..

PS: i am not musharaf's admirer.. but facts and figure shows pakistan is better under military government rather then democratic government.

 

[SSGPA1]

Seee guyz, i told you nothing going to happen. ... PS: i am not musharaf's admirer.. but facts and figure shows pakistan is better under military government rather then democratic government.

Even NS is part of the deal. Who is stopping NS from putting forward a resolution?

Is hamam may sab nangey hain The only reason peopel support Gen. Musharraf is better than Zardari and NS.

Take away Musharraf issue from our politics and then you will see that PML-N has nothing lese to claim for in Punjab.

Here is a list of priorities (not in any particular order):

1. Kalabagh Dam
2. Thar coal and other alternate projects
3. Salaries and benefits package for Judiciary
4. Rebuilding of Pakistan Railway and the PIA
5. Issues in Balochistan
6. Food inflation
7. Increase the number of tax payers
8. Local bodies
9. Repeal/ amend all laws borrowed from teh British system
10. Terrorism

 

[Muradk]

Why you cannot touch EX-COAS? Because he is COAS? Then learn you cannot touch Asif Ali Zardari or Nawaz Sharif or any Mass-Murderer Including Bugti, Baitullah Mehsood and All those demons who have robed this nation like anything. A COAS should be let-go because he is COAS? Just because of that? ENOUGH! Pakistan belongs to People of Pakistan as People of the country not to Army, nor to politicians and nor to those BS Americans who bring their white A$$ everyother day.

Musharraf must be hanged, either by Army, Civil Courts or by people like me who are not any less in number! In the eyes of God, every criminal is a criminal. Musharraf has charges against him. If he faces them and is proven innocent, fine. Else he must face the Music of his deeds.

AK hore ayah hai
Well looks like you are one of those who Roti Rozi has been effected by Army ( Good) can you tell me what has Musharaf done that he should be hanged, He didn't steal any money, didn't murder any one rape any one , took land from the poor What has he done anything wrong.
That is the difference between a Fauji and people like you who hate armed forces. If I am not wrong you people came to us in 65 , 71 that please take what ever you want save our souls. Go to the boarder and fight but don't let them take over Pakistan.
One of those person was Musharaf who fought for your freedom back in 65 , 71 and again in 1999. There are a lot of you out there who have forgotten that today Pakistan stands because of its Armed forces not politicians our so called political leaders none of them can be trusted or have credibility.

Army has its own problem our Geo political situation is sweet and everyone wants a piece of it Army is trying to take care of that, They only jump in when they see ok Pakistan is going down the drain. During BIBI and Nawaz Pakistan got screwed form both ends and now Zardari.

Just read your post again sorry you didn't get an American Visa.

 

[Fracker]

Even NS is part of the deal. Who is stopping NS from putting forward a resolution?

yeah may be you are right, & they are just fooling normal civilians like us. but they are together inside.. and certainly it is not HAMAM, since Hammam is the place where you clean up yourself.. but here... who ever comes get corrupt... **SICK** this system should be changed ASAP...

 

[graphican]

AK hore ayah hai
Well looks like you are one of those who Roti Rozi has been effected by Army ( Good) can you tell me what has Musharaf done that he should be hanged, He didn't steal any money, didn't murder any one rape any one , took land from the poor What has he done anything wrong.
That is the difference between a Fauji and people like you who hate armed forces. If I am not wrong you people came to us in 65 , 71 that please take what ever you want save our souls. Go to the boarder and fight but don't let them take over Pakistan.
One of those person was Musharaf who fought for your freedom back in 65 , 71 and again in 1999. There are a lot of you out there who have forgotten that today Pakistan stands because of its Armed forces not politicians our so called political leaders none of them can be trusted or have credibility.

Army has its own problem our Geo political situation is sweet and everyone wants a piece of it Army is trying to take care of that, They only jump in when they see ok Pakistan is going down the drain. During BIBI and Nawaz Pakistan got screwed form both ends and now Zardari.

Just read your post again sorry you didn't get an American Visa.

“Well looks like you are one of those who Roti Rozi has been effected by Army ( Good)”

Sir from your post count you appear to be a senior member and I respect your contribution to the forum but allow me to say your wording doesn’t show pleasant intentions towards the new members or the countrymen.
I am a patriotic Pakistani and I am proud of my Identity and I am proud of my Army as an institution. I love armed forces to the degree that I am here standing by my armed countrymen hand I hand and answering and repulsing propaganda about my homeland. Please stop considering only people in uniform to be the defender of the country. There are countless people who serve national cause day and night and who are not acknowledged. Uniform gives you responsibility, not patriotism.

Regarding “Coming to you in 65 and 71”, you are overlooking the fact that you are a Pakistani first before being a military person. It’s not the salary that make you fight, defend and sacrifice your life in battle, it’s your love for the nation, patriotism and the fact that you are Mustafavi. Please consider the fact that rests of the countrymen are not any lesser national, patriotic or Mustafavi. You are institutionally more responsible for this service but every Pakistani, no matter what job he does contributes to it one way or the other. Do not underestimate the spirit that God has blessed this nation.

You are trying to polarize a little too soon. Hatred for Musharaf is not for the person he has been, it is for the deeds he did. People of Pakistan are not questioning his ability to fight, defend or perform his duties, we are questioning him for the misconducts he has been committing. I see X-Servicemen society stand against him and they are all senior most members of the institution. If they see Musharaf questionable, I see no reason why rest of the countrymen should not. We want his fair trial. If he proves himself innocent, great, in case not, then do not let him go because he has been a Chief of one of the Institutions of the country.

Pakistan is defended day and night by armed forces of my homeland, my heroes, and my military personals that I am proud of. But if there are some black sheeps, those must be isolated and treated the way those should be, even if they even if they have served at highest level of their ranks. This is not limited to Army alone, I am standing here to prosecute every single person, regardless of his position, his social statue, his wealth or number of votes behind him.. if he is found guilty.. let him be rewarded.

You have misjudged my reason to be here, I am not here to appease any foreign government to get their Visa, I am here for still better reason than that.

 

[Spring Onion]

Then learn you cannot touch Asif Ali Zardari or Nawaz Sharif or any Mass-Murderer Including Bugti, Baitullah Mehsood and All those demons who have robed this nation like anything.

well why to learn we already know that they ccan not be touched. Otherwise all of them have blood on their hands.
Bugti has blood of innocent Balochs at his hands, Nawaz has nurtured murderer ghundas, Zaradari well there are lot of things about him even fingers were pointed at him for murder of BB's brother.

A COAS should be let-go because he is COAS? Just because of that? ENOUGH! Pakistan belongs to People of Pakistan as People of the country not to Army, nor to politicians and nor to those BS Americans who bring their white A$$ everyother day.

Well we are saying nothing. You have your democratic government, a "highly honest" CJ so ask them to trial him. try to check if they even want to do that?

Musharraf must be hanged, either by Army, Civil Courts or by people like me who are not any less in number! In the eyes of God, every criminal is a criminal. Musharraf has charges against him. If he faces them and is proven innocent, fine. Else he must face the Music of his deeds.

Hang for what??

 

[Muradk]

Excellent point Jana , But he still hasn't answered my question Why hang him. Why?
COAS is a position which controls all, If you Musharaf is guilty than his staff officers are guilty if they are guilty than

* Chief of General Staff (CGS)
* Chief of Logistics Staff (CLS)
* Inspector General Arms
* Adjutant General (AG)
* Quarter-Master General (QMG)
* Inspector General Training and Evaluation (IGT&E)
* Military Secretary (MS)
* Inspector General Communications and IT

* Army Infantry Regiments
* Regiment of Artillery
* Armoured Corps Regiments
* Regiment of Air Defence
* Corps of Engineers
* Army Medical Corps
* Corps of Signals
* Army Aviation Corps

And Services include:

* Army Ordnance Corps
* Corps of Electrical & Mechanical Engineering (EME)
* Army Supply & Transport Corps (ASC)
* Infantry:
o Frontier Force (FF)
o Punjab
o Sindh
o Baloch
o Azad Kashmir (AK)
o Northern Light Infantry (NLI)

* The President's Bodyguard
* Armour
o 4th Cavalry
o 5th Horse
o 6th Lancers
o 7th Lancers
o 8th Cavalry
o 9th Horse
o 10th Cavalry (Guides Cavalry)
o 11th Cavalry
o 12th Cavalry
o 13th Lancers
o 14th Lancers
o 15th Lancers
o 16th Horse
o 17th Lancer
o 18th Horse
o 19th Lancers
o 20th Lancers
o 21st Horse
o 22nd Cavalry
o 23rd Cavalry
o 24th Cavalry
o 25th Cavalry
o 26th Cavalry
o 27th Cavalry
o 28th Cavalry
o 29th Cavalry
o 30th Cavalry
o 31st Cavalry
o 32nd Cavalry
o 33rd Cavalry
o 34th Lancers
o 37th Cavalry
o 38th Cavalry
o 40th Horse
o 41st Horse
o 42nd Lancers
o 51st Lancers
o 52nd Cavalry
o 53rd Cavalry
o 52nd Cavalry
o 53rd Cavalry
o 54th Cavalry
o 55th Cavalry
o 56th Cavalry
o 57th Cavalry
o 58th Cavalry
I Corps Mangla, Azad Kashmir 6th Armoured Division (Kharian)
17th Infantry Division (Kharian)
37th Infantry Division (Gujranwala)
II Corps Multan, Punjab 1st Armoured Division (Multan)
40th Infantry Division (Okara)
IV Corps Lahore, Punjab 10th Infantry Division (Lahore)
11th Infantry Division (Lahore)
V Corps Karachi, Sindh 16th Infantry Division (Pano Akil)
18th Infantry Division (Hyderabad)
25th Mechanized Division (Malir)
X Corps Rawalpindi, Punjab Force Command Northern Areas (Gilgit)
12th Infantry Division (Murree)
19th Infantry Division (Mangla)
23rd Infantry Division (Jhelum)
XI Corps Peshawar, North West Frontier Province 7th Infantry Division (Peshawar)
9th Infantry Division (Kohat)
XII Corps Quetta, Balochistan 33rd Infantry Division (Quetta) 41st Infantry Division (Quetta)
XXX Corps Gujranwala, Punjab 2nd Artillery Division (Gujranwala)
8th Infantry Division (Sialkot), 15th Infantry Division (Sialkot)
XXXI Corps Bahawalpur, Punjab 14th Infantry Division (Okara) 26th Mechanized Division (Bahawalpur), 35th Infantry Division (Bahawalpur)
Strategic Corps Rawalpindi
Punjab 47th(AZADI, meaning Independence) Artillery Brigade (Sargodha)
Air Defence Command
Then they are all guilty.

All these come under him and they obeyed his commands so all of them should be hanged great, lets do that and you my friend and the other patriotic people can borrow guns from them and stand guard. Because it will take atleast 1 year to hang all of them.


GOOD IDEA WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR, LETS GET THE SHOW ON THE ROAD.