Typical communist argument, this was proposed by Scamgress of Rahul Gandhi’s mom Antonia Maino. You should have asked it then.
The aircraft ? So if you are correct and the Congress had proposed it first why did Modi need to go through with such a needless purchase ? There are two planes and the total cost is 8400 crores. That money could have been better spent on quite a few things, actually necessary things, within India.
Admit it, Modi just wanted his own version of the American Air Force One. Just to show off.
You commies get butthurt if any project happens and come with lame arguments like, “schools and hospitals”.
You are taking these things rather lightly.
I will quote a recent effect of India's chaotic and non-free education system. A young woman student from Telangana enrolled in Delhi University committed suicide at her home because she wasn't receiving the university scholarship funds ( she was what in India is called a Merit Student ) and she felt pressured that she was being a burden to her her low-income family. I will quote the story from my
posted thread :
Nowadays, it is not at all rare to see students stressed, anxious, or perplexed about their future. The ongoing pandemic has added to those concerns in every possible way. But it is indeed disheartening to see the students failing to cope with the pressure and ultimately ending their lives.
A similar incident was witnessed by one of the premier higher education institutes in Delhi, Lady Shri Ram College for Women. A second-year student of Mathematics honors committed suicide on the night of the 2nd of November at her house in Rangareddy district, Telangana.
The incident came into light when the message of her death was circulated by one of her close friends in an informal WhatsApp group of LSR college hostel.
A 2019 state topper, she was selected for the INSPIRE scholarship provided by the Ministry of Science and Technology for her outstanding performance in class 12th. But unfortunately, she could not lay hands on the fellowship grant, the first installment of which she was supposed to receive by March 2020.
Belonging to a working-class family, she was in dire need of the scholarship money. In fact, her family had confirmed that they had to mortgage their house to ensure their daughter’s further studies at Delhi University.
In a meeting with the SFI Ranga Reddy District Committee, her family even disclosed the fact their younger daughter had to discontinue her studies after her 7th grade as they could not afford to educate both their daughters.
The coronavirus pandemic did exacerbate the existing complications. In an online form circulated by the Committee for Inclusive Education under LSR SU, she had expressed her inability to attend all the classes and complete her assignments due to mobile and connectivity issues.
The suicide note recovered from her home was handed over to the President of SFI Ranga Reddy District Committee by her family members. This note was then circulated with SFI Delhi.
The suicide note seemed to have revealed financial pressures to be the prima facie motive behind her death. She admitted that her family had to incur cumbersome expenses due to her higher education and that she did not want to be a burden on her family.
But then she could not have lived without studying as well. Therefore she had no choice left than to welcome her own death.
Her family has not lodged any police complaint yet, as they do validate the concerns raised by their daughter. There is also no information on any possible postmortem.
In the meantime, the college had already held an obituary ceremony on the 3rd of November. However, no official statement regarding the alleged suicide has been released by the college administration.
It is immensely shattering to see the loss of such bright and young lives, particularly at times like this when the regressive divisions of caste, class, gender, and geography become more prominent than ever.
Sources: College Students, SFI Delhi
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There is more than one contributing India-specific factor to her suicide : Non-free education system, non-abundance of high-quality education institutions which creates the artificial system of "limited seats", society divided on socio-economic class, societal obsession with high marks, societal expectation that a student will not drop out of college and start a company or do some project of self-interest, non-support by family and friends to a student under "educational" pressure.
Note that this woman's case was publicized by the communist-affiliated student body SFI. The right-wing RSS' student wing ABVP couldn't be bothered with this very avoidable socio-economic tragedy.
Running these requires money and money can be earned by capitalism only.
Little communist Cuba seems to have done well enough, despite sanctions from USA.
Thats why Communist regimes have failed all over the world and capitalist countries survived.
Yeah, stupidity has survived the millennia. Take India for example.
Besides, all communist / socialist countries and movements have been experiments, necessary experiments. We should learn from them, taking advancements, learning from the failures and rejecting the wrong or unnecessary things ( like USSR's huge tank formations positioned against Western Europe ).
North Korea is a failed state for example
How ?
That was mainly the mismanagement of the West's favorite USSR leader Gorbachev.
China is a capitalist country with a communist government so they first focussed on economic growth and when they became richer started focussing on schools, healthcare and poverty.
Hah hah. Just a few days ago there was a thread about poor Chinese citizens who found medical treatment costlier in their country, coming to India to avail of the relatively cheaper Indian medical tourism.
Funny things are :
1. In current "communist" China there is a rich class and poor class and there is no free healthcare. The Chinese poor don't find China's healthcare affordable enough and safe enough for their situation to avail.
2. A related point is in current "communist" China there are millionaires and poor people, and the middle-class shamelessly speaks glowingly of high housing prices in Hong Kong as if that's a high human achievement.
3. The Chinese poor patients come of all places to India where for Indians themselves the healthcare is generally not good, the poor having to depend on generally low-quality government hospitals and the middle-class having to pay through the nose in private hospitals. There are Indians who remain blind or suffer lung or kidney or other organ ailments not because there is no cure but because they can't afford the treatment.
But you must read about the "barefoot doctors" of post-revolution China.
There are plenty schemes of central government in which food items are sold for less price with BPL cards
Then why do people die of hunger ? Is there some India-specific famine that somehow ensures that India's 35+ million stray dogs don't go hungry ?
Remember that case from earlier this year in which a migrant laborer woman died of hunger at a Bihar railway station, with her toddler son playing unaware around her dead body ? She died because neither the railway authorities provided her food nor did she have money to buy food earlier.
So those "plenty food schemes of central government" either don't exist or are utterly inefficient.
there are many homes being built for Poor
Where ? Six years on and there are plenty homeless people in India.
Also to speak of people living in slums. Make note of the 27-storey home Antilia of Mukesh Ambani for a family of four ( now five ), with an inbuilt temple for them to propitiate the gods, while not far from this huge building are poor people living in jhuggis, five people crammed into one or two rooms. Even fellow rich man Ratan Tata has
this to say :
Tata Group former chairman Ratan Tata said Antilia is an example of rich Indians' lack of empathy for the poor. Tata said, "The person who lives in there should be concerned about what he sees around him and asking can he make a difference. If he is not, then it's sad because this country needs people to allocate some of their enormous wealth to finding ways of mitigating the hardship that people have." "It makes me wonder why someone would do that. That's what revolutions are made of.
Does the Ambani family ever wonder during their prayer time in their private temple how other humans are living in misery not very distant ? Do they have guilt ?
And a related thing, where are those 100 "Smart Cities" promised six years ago ?
there is ayushman bharat scheme for healthcare.
The Pradhan Mantri-JAY component ( here too his name
) of Ayushman Bharat is inefficient. It does not enable a free universal healthcare system but subsidizes some of it by providing maximum five lakhs per year towards something called "secondary and tertiary care hospitalization" ( what is that ? ) and this too for a limited selection of citizens ( "the poor" ).
In practice, take the cost of treatment of Corona in India which can financially cripple even the middle class especially in families where more than one member has been afflicted. From
this article :
For instance, according to the latest household expenditure report of 2017-18 put out by the National Statistical Office, in Delhi, which has among the highest monthly per capita expenditures in the country, for 80% of the population monthly spend per person is below Rs 5,000 or Rs 25,000 for a family of five. The lowest priced isolation bed in a non-accredited hospital in the Capital would cost Rs 80,000 for ten days of treatment, more than three times the monthly spending of 80% of the population. For a patient with severe Covid in ICU care with ventilator support, the bill could be several lakh as the treatment could stretch for two to three weeks or more.
In many states like Gujarat, West Bengal and Kerala, the fixed rates are for patients referred by the government or for those covered by government health schemes, where the government picks up the tab. Typically, only people with connections get referred through the government to private hospitals, while others do not have a choice. In states like Karnataka, Odisha and Telangana, the price caps are applicable to all patients going to private hospitals. Despite the price caps, there are exclusions which differ from state to state, such as PPE cost, high-end investigations like CT and MRI, drugs, or specialist charges. Private hospitals have also come up with ways to evade price cap such as charging rack rates for the days before a person is confirmed as Covid positive and doing the same for the days after the person tests negative but remains admitted for post-Covid complications. In many states like Delhi, there is no mechanism to ensure implementation of the caps despite a large number of complaints of overcharging.
The article goes on :
One of the UN’s sustainable development goals is to prevent “catastrophic spending” on health, which can impoverish families. If the share of health expenditure in the total annual household expenditure is more than 10% to 25%, it is considered catastrophic. In all states, just treatment for moderate Covid in isolation beds for 10 days with the capped rates is well above the 25% threshold for 80% of households. While in states like Delhi, Kerala and Punjab with high household monthly expenditure, ICU treatment for severe Covid could be 50%-80% of annual household spend, in most other states it could be equivalent to an entire year’s household expenditure, or even double what a family would spend in two years.
Is all this misery on citizens necessary ? It can be avoided by the simple act of making healthcare free for all and of high-quality. Like is done in socialist / communist countries.
And there is no need of the idiotic system in India ( and in other capitalist countries ) of having insurance companies to be paid by citizens for taking up the cost of unforeseen health problems. These capitalist governments can spend huge amounts of economic and other resources on maintaining huge militaries and invading progressive countries but can't spend these same resources on the welfare of their own citizens, whether it be free healthcare or it be free homes.
My late father's admission to a private hospital, twice, cost us I think 1.5 lakhs or 2 lakhs, plus the costly medicines, food supplements and other allied things. Doesn't matter how this money came by but why couldn't this have been through free healthcare ? We are middle class, think how those poorer than us would have been crippled, especially when the post-treatment recovery is long. People should happily get healthcare, not get to worry about unnecessary things.
Why? Is it some penance? What guarantee you have that let them suffer because your neighbour is also suffering will somehow is good for the public.
Did I call for standing in the cold rain at night ? All I am saying is that this 971 crore rupees new parliament building is unnecessary. The current building is sufficient even if the political system is replaced with a progressive one which will bring a new type of political leadership.
That logic sells for religion, not parliamentary democracy.
So you didn't read post# 20 which I had asked you to.
It had link to a thread about the Jamahiriya system in practice in Libya.
Parliamentary Democracy is not true democracy. Direct Democracy is, especially when guided by socialism.
Look, I respect your opinion if you think Gaddafi is the prime example of the welfare state, but you can find better examples in countries like Switzerland who went through Monarchy, to democracy and staying so successfully, better than Libya for that matter.
Good that you mentioned Switzerland which is a Direct Democracy though governed with capitalism. If you can give the example of Switzerland what stops you from exemplifying the Libyan Jamahiriya which was also a Direct Democracy ?
Read post# 20.
Why not take all the Nordic countries as an example?
Why ?
Why wring back to some dictator who was toppled?
Toppled by the air forces, navies, commandos and intelligences of 30 NATO countries plus 6 GCC countries plus thousands of their trained and supported terrorists.
And why do you call him a dictator ? Just because the the above elements called him so ? Just because Obombo, Killary, Bliar and Sarkozy called him so ?
He was a wise man. Watch his UNO speech I linked in post# 20.
Mind you, I do not call him the finality in progressive thought.
At the end of the day, Gaddafi and his idea is as dead as a dodo.
Just because a person is dead do his ideas vanish ? Should Che Guevara and Prophet Muhammad be rubbished then ? Should the Sikhs rubbish Guru Nanak then ? This is not logical.
Excuse? Lol! It's like asking why didn't YMCA didn't have Indian flag on its office in India. Bring logical arguments, not petty points like these.
Your entire argument revolved around RSS didn't put the Indian flag in its office. So what? Show me the law that mandates NGO's to have Indian flag in its office?
So show me the constitutional law that requires Muslim congregational places to fly the national flag ? If there is no such law why do RSS and its octopus arms impose so on Muslims ?
And doesn't RSS project itself as everything there is to being a super patriotic Indian ? So what is its objection to fly the national flag ?
Thirdly, on Republic Day 2015 the then Vice President Hamid Ansari was on a dais and he didn't salute the national flag. Along came the usual accusations against this Muslim :
"Jihadi sympathiser", "anti-India", "traitor", were among the hate tweets that were hurled at the vice president of India. Some even demanded that Ansari be impeached, and the more outraged ones advised him to join the ISIS.
But what about the usual suspects ?
Home minister Rajnath Singh and external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj didn't salute the flag either, but their patriotism was not questioned.
And why didn't Hamid Ansari salute the flag ?
But well, Twitter was wrong. Ansari was not required to salute as per the protocols.
According to Section VI of the Flag Code of India, "During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag, or when the flag is passing in a parade or in a review, all persons present should face the Flag and stand at attention. Those present in uniform should render the appropriate salute".
So, except for the President of the country, no one is required to salute. Prime Minister Narendra Modi, vice president Ansari, US President Barack Obama, defence minister Manohar Parrikar were not in uniform and were therefore not required to salute the flag.
The tweets were so disturbing that Ansari's office issued a statement clarifying why it wasn't wrong not to salute.
"As per the protocol, when the national anthem is played, the Principal Dignitary and persons in uniform take the salute. Those in civil dress stand in attention. "During the Republic Day Parade, the President of India, as Supreme Commander, takes the salute. As per protocol, the Vice President is required to stand in attention," Gurdeep Sappal, Joint Secretary and OSD to the Vice President, said in a statement.
"When the Vice President is the Principal Dignitory, he salutes during the national anthem, wearing headgear, as done at NCC camp this year," Sappal added.
What is disturbing is, why would Ansari need to prove his patriotism? Just because he is a Muslim?
Outrage about Hamid Ansari is a bit silly. Saluting national flag is not mandatory. You stand up during the anthem, and he was doing that.
And well well :
In fact, as many on social media pointed out, our earlier Prime Ministers also did not salute the flag during the Republic Day celebrations and that includes BJP's Atal Vihari Vajpayee.
Above quotes and picture have been taken from
this article. There are some interesting tweets in the article.
and yes. any of the groups you mentioned can have such "wonderful" NGOs.
Just make a tweet that the Indian Muslims can now have open sessions in parks and other grounds where they will be trained in stick fight, sword fight and firearms use. And of course open call to establish Taliban Rashtra.
Will such a wonderful NGO be allowed to operate the same way that the other RSS-and-octopus-arms wonderful NGOs are allowed to operate ?
Just that Hindus happen to be the majority in India hence the 'tens of thousands' of Shakas, are you surprised?
What logic is that ! Just because the Hindus are in majority the criminal from amongst them should be allowed an open run ?
1. No, I am a dingoist our official party is DYJS or Dinga Yuvajana Sangham don't be fooled by the name it has no connection with Parivar, dingoists believe in one true god Dingan. tomorrow I might believe in something else. Should it concern you?
I don't think you are a Dinkoist. Your support for Hindutvad is contradictory. As also is your opposition to left-wing beliefs.
2. Yeah, except historically you acted on your "Leaders" from Moscow, or China. What does that make you?
What makes you think I have a imposing leader, in Moscow or otherwise ?
The 60s factionalism in the Indian socialist / communist movement was a mistake.
I take my ideas from all over the world and I myself have proposed a economic system in
this thread. This economic system plus the Libyan political system would initiate a real communist society.
As a side point, even Elon Musk has spoken of Direct Democracy to be the ideal political system for near-future Mars settlements.
3. Communism is drunk writing of a philosopher who achieved nothing in his life that would benefit his or his family's well being. His name is Karl Marx, he wrote his dreams, more like his jealousy into a series of books.
Sure, Marx should have instead joined TCS as yet another non-intellectual typical wage-slave Indian computer engineer who despite numbering a few million and a timeline of fifty years has not been able to design a local version of the two fundamental elements in any computer - the microprocessor and the operating system.
Authoritarians and dictators found those ideas to be attractive and have better value among public and most bloodthirsty dictators came off it.
Lenin, Stalin, Mao who could put Hitler and Nazis to shame.
Yes, Obomba, Bliar, the two Bushes and Sukarno are / were the most gentle of people, not at all involved in war crimes and genocide.
Yeah, I remember back in the day Maoists were very active in the Hyderabad regions, I hear they were hunted down one by one by Greyhounds. Props to them
A good Naxalite-Maoist-Terrorist is a dead one.
It is telling that you don't wish punishment of true criminals like Col. Purohit, Sadhvi Pragya, Sanatan Sanstha etc and their sympathizers / supporters like GD Bakshi and Arnab Goswami.
Were you not saying that you are a Dinkoist ?
Imagine Gandhi with a gun, how much he could've achieved if he had an MP 40.
Gandhi was one part of the freedom struggle. Others were Bhagat Singh, Ghadar Movement, INA etc.
But I imagine what Gandhi, and Nehru and Ambedkar, would have thought about the current Indian political, social and economic state.
Good for them if they decided to phase out Nuclear power plants, they have the money to switch to wind power given most of their countries are not densely populated. Countries like India do not have that luxury.
The Europeans are not doing it because they have the luxury but because they find it problematic.
Imagine a Fukushima-style disaster in India in Kudankulam and Kaiga. I quote about
Kudankulam :
In 2011, thousands from the vicinity of the plant protested against it, fearing a nuclear disaster, in the wake of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster According to the protesters, evacuation of people in the event of a nuclear disaster would be impossible. According to S P Udayakumar, of the People's Movement Against Nuclear Energy, "the nuclear plant is unsafe". However, in 2012, the chief of India's nuclear energy programme, Dr Srikumar Banerjee, called the plant "one of the safest" in the world. In December 2012, The Hindu reported that hundreds of villagers in the region were largely ignorant of the risks and benefits of the plant.
A Public Interest Litigation (PIL) was filed in 2011 with the Supreme Court asking for nuclear power development to be delayed until safety concerns were independently assessed. In May 2013, the Supreme Court ruled in favour of the plant, stating that the nuclear power plant was in the larger public interest.
In March 2012, nearly 200 anti-nuclear protesters were detained for a few hours by the police. The protesters were set to join protests objecting resumption of work of one of two 1 GW reactors, a day after the local government restarted work on the project.
There have also been rallies and protests in favour of commissioning this nuclear power plant.[42][43]
On, 24 February 2012, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh blamed foreign NGOs for protests at the power plant. News agencies reported that three NGOs had diverted donations earmarked for religious and social causes to the protests, in violation of foreign exchange regulations.
If Nano diamond batteries come, it's good for everyone. But we can't abandon Nuclear power for something that may come say 20 years later.
The NDB is under development currently. I quote from an
interview of its leaders :
Loz: Extraordinary. How far along is this technology? How far are we off mass production? Where are you at with prototyping and testing?
Nima: We're in the prototyping stage at the moment. We've completed the proof of concept, and we're about to start the commercial prototype. However, the pandemic has happened, and the lab has been shut down for some time.
But basically once the laboratories are open, we do require around 6-9 months to complete our commercial prototype, and following that to go through the regulatory process, to bring the first few applications for the battery into the market in less than two years' time.
It's black and white, Given you took a keen interest in their activities, I'll give you a juicy letters written by CPI general secretary PC Joshi it's about quit India movement if you're wondering.
Obviously a wrong tactic. Though what about the treasonous Savarkar and Co. ?
But this is the same PC Joshi who you referenced in an earlier post :
The Randive line led to the expulsion of P.C. Joshi, who believed that freedom from British rule was a substantial achievement and that, tactically, the communist movement would gain by supporting leaders like Jawaharlal Nehru who, Joshi said, represented a “progressive” trend within the Congress.
Would you call the later position of Joshi a good one ?
don't bother arguing with him, I think he is suffering from some form of a communist strain of psychosis.
Sure, you are the wise one here since you keep speaking of Hindu Rashtra. How would I seem if I start harping on Taliban Rashtra ?
a nanny state that provides all of it's subjects with FREE EVERYTHING, that's the ultimate solution to all our woes
From where did you find that phrase "nanny state" ?
And I speak of "free basic / fundamental / essential things" with other not-so-immediately-essential things to be obtained through a paid model and the overall system ensuring that there is no economic class system i.e. some rich some poor.
Read my economic system proposal I linked above.
we don't have unlimited light sweet crude like Libya to hand out toffees to everyone anyway, a minor detail lost on the commie zombie.
But what about the Indian agricultural sector that employs 50 percent of the total national workforce ? Why are they not adopting scientific methods like collective farming, vertical farming and general urban farming so that they can contribute more to the national income ?
What about the much vaunted IT / ITES sector exports ? What about minerals ?
All I see is that India has become the second-largest importer of armaments in the world. The Indian national governments seem to preserve war status with China and Pakistan instead of speaking of peace with them and then spending the saved resources on the welfare of Indian citizens.
I have proposed in
this thread how to solve the issue of Kashmir and the India-Pakistan antagonism by bringing about a progressive political system to both countries that will end the problems once and for all.
