PM Imran Khan vs Opposition No Confidence Vote- Updates and Discussion

[Goritoes]

With or Without MQM, PTI was losing the NCV... what people should be discussing is that how come PTI never engaged anyone from Sindh and Karachi. Ego is still the biggest enemy of PTI.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

With or Without MQM, PTI was losing the NCV... what people should be discussing is that how come PTI never engaged anyone from Sindh and Karachi. Ego is still the biggest enemy of PTI.

He shouldn’t have pissed of USA in his public outbursts while being under IMF program. He became ambassador of Taliban who from all signs doesnt seem to have changed one bit.

And on top of that his arrogance was such that he didnt even bother to keep all PTI mna closer let alone allies. He pissed off opposition everyday with new cases. Thats now hnow you complete term without even simple majority.

 

[fitpOsitive]

repeat of same old story this is how we always complete our cycle of democracy after that we enters into a decade of military rule.

You know you have asked the most relevant question & important question of the current Political circus, it demand a detail reply but I will only post a concise post stating some possible scenarios.

Always remember as rule of thumb:

System of Democracy requires constant political evolution if the evolution of democracy stops then it is the failure democratic system and failure of democracy invite revolution.

Currently we are facing a simple question how to move forward from the present political crises ??

We all know

- Floor crossing is an unconstitutional act
- Horse Trading is also unconstitutional

But this is happening openly, We also know that

- Pakistan is under foreign political invasion.
- Foreign power is conducting regime change operation.
- Both Internal & External actors are involved due to convergence of Interest

So the question is IF those who have to form the Government after toppling IK government are the abeters or co-conspirators against the political sovereignty of the state then who will have to guard the sovereignty of the state?

This important questions are

- Political authority of current government due to foreign intervention and unconstitutional acts of local actors is getting decreased, so How would it exercise Political Sovereignty which mean our Sovereignty is also getting compromised.

- Secondly The government which will be formed as the result of unconstitutional acts would it be considered Constitutional ???

This is the stage where constitutional deadlock could arise, so at this stage two possibilities exist, either Judiciary intervene which is possible but looks difficult or establishment intervene softly which make political forces talk to each other.

To avoid a deadlock What IF current assemblies get dissolved and fresh election are held? as per reports opposition could get agree with this

- But due to No Confidence Motion (NCM) IK do not have this authority

- if NCM is succeed and in result of this and Opposition forms the government then again we will be in the same situation of Constitutional Deadlock, secondly I don't think IK in opposition will sit idle.

So to avoid this situation next government of PDM could announce early election after November but for this to happen

- Government of PDM will have to initiate election reforms which could suit them like revocation of the laws related to EVM & Overseas Pakistanis voting rights.

- Government of PDM Will also have to tackle IK in Opposition.

- & Will have to "Manage Elections" to make sure IK lose the next election.

But these actions would have weak legal and political grounds & would make elections controversial & no would have Justifications other then political interest of current opposition, so If that happens then IK might repeat Azadi March type political move, so a period of political instability of at least one or more year similar to PNA movement in 1977 is possible and if establishment at that stage will again intervene softly for sake of stability than the government of PDM parties will have to concede something to IK, so in short no political scenario is possible without IK and taking public reaction into consideration.

So in any scenario it would be needed to naturalise IK either politically or physically, but the question would remain how to neutralise the public sentiments?

Just consider the political value of a government consist of those politicians who are corrupt & it would be formed with the clear intervention of foreign power to serve the interest of foreign country. In this case Pakistan would be an undeclared but practically an Occupied Country.

Common soldiers and public would accept the occupation of their country ???

If Judiciary and other Organ of states support that government then their own standing in the eyes of common public would hit to the ground, we might faced the situation worse than 1971 and WOT combine, and without public support to government & to the organ of state How that State would survive ???

So in short there would be a situation where constitution of Pakistan does not provides the solution to the problems state would face and the Organ of state would be in a situation of partial dysfunctionality.

So this is NOT Possible for "The Institution and The Collective Establishment" to let the State go in this situation, then what Option would be left with them ???

When the Constitution would have already failed than Higher Judiciary would also fail and in this case they would have no other Option but to revoke "Doctrine of Necessity"

State has to remain functional and Sovereign, but failure of Politicians would threat the failure of State of Pakistan which could not be allowed.

But again would public accept Martial Law ?? International forces especially those who would be supporting PDM government would accept it in place of the government which they installed for their interests .... ???

The ONLY LOGICAL SOLUTION to the current political situation is the implementation of Constitution & Laws in their true letter and spirit, but the final question is:

IS IT POSSIBLE ???​

Read my reply

That's the practical approach.
I think it's time to declare a one-party system in Pakistan. Same System as China.
For this, we need two parallel groups. One is an administrative group that is already working in Pakistan (beaureaucryc). The second group will be the political group, and Pildat can help. Rather than elections, students or candidates will get selected by Pildat, will get political training over there, and then individuals will be called upon necessity. Feedback will be taken from the people, and if someone is not performing well then he will be sent back home with a pension. Simple. Direct public feedback will solve the problems of our society in an unprecedented manner.

But for that, we need to reset the system, and yes emergency seems like a viable option. Meanwhile, things will settle down, bureaucracy should take over matters.

 

[HRK]

That's the practical approach.
I think it's time to declare a one-party system in Pakistan. Same System as China.
For this, we need two parallel groups. One is an administrative group that is already working in Pakistan (beaureaucryc). The second group will be the political group, and Pildat can help. Rather than elections, students or candidates will get selected by Pildat, will get political training over there, and then individuals will be called upon necessity. Feedback will be taken from the people, and if someone is not performing well then he will be sent back home with a pension. Simple. Direct public feedback will solve the problems of our society in an unprecedented manner.

But for that, we need to reset the system, and yes emergency seems like a viable option. Meanwhile, things will settle down, bureaucracy should take over matters.

Question is why to go for experimentations ??

A single General could make whole country hostage or a single Politician first convert whole party as cult and then take whole system as hostage.

what you are suggesting would enforce the system oligarchy.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Do you think there will be free & fair election and those who are conspiring against IK government will not influence not only the next election but would ensure the players of next regime in place of IK government to continue for at least 1 more decade. I am afraid they are again planning to repeat the 2008-2018 arrangements.

Now the ONLY way out is Emergency.

Pakistan is back to 2008, back than it was kayani, now its bajwa and guess what have both in common "extension".

 

[Zibago]

if Morrison not a PM next time no body care but may be liberal voter shocked if they lose next elections.

No one in Australian political system ran torture chambers or has people calling for its borders to be altered
They all agree on certain redlines of Australia now but in Pakistan no one respects them you have QAu glorifying suicide bombers

 

[fitpOsitive]

Question is why to go for experimentations ??

A single General could make whole country hostage or a single Politician first convert whole party as cult and then take whole system as hostage.

what you are suggesting would enforce the system oligarchy.

I can't think beyond that.
The problem is, people, from all walks of life, find their way to corruption.
Whatever system we suggest, things will not work till we address the very needs, the very emotions, and the common goal for the nation.
People must be corrected, and that is a long-term fix. But at the moment we need something urgently.

 

[Zibago]

Parties not Personalities.

Dr Moeed Pirzada said it best
In Pakistan there has never been cultivation of intellegensia so all political parties are driven by personalities which allows for easy exploitation by everyone
We lack the intellectual capability as a nation to form longterm policies
Even countries like Ethiopia have better longterm visions ingrained in their political system while in Pakistan you have idiots who think appeasing BJP led India will bring peace

You should, the country interests need to be protected, but not personalities and here is the problem

All the other personalities have shown themselves to be tools for those outside the country
We have lived experience of the era from 2007 to 2018 and remember everything be it the damning wikileaks to Jindal visits to Pakistan

 

[HRK]

I can't think beyond that.
The problem is, people, from all walks of life, find their way to corruption.
Whatever system we suggest, things will not work till we address the very needs, the very emotions, and the common goal for the nation.
People must be corrected, and that is a long-term fix. But at the moment we need something urgently.

bro either we have to keep this system functional or if this system fails than we need new system (Presidentai Sys) but without those participants of current system who are corrupt or have foreign links.

 

[fitpOsitive]

but without those participants of current system who are corrupt or have foreign links.

Bhai peechy bachaga hi nahi koi. Almost all political people have foreign relatives, or are foreign nationals, or have businesses in foreign countries.

 

[HRK]

Bhai peechy bachaga hi nahi koi. Almost all political people have foreign relatives, or are foreign nationals, or have businesses in foreign countries.

by foreign links I mean only those having links with foreign establishment or foreign Agencies

 

[fitpOsitive]

by foreign links I mean only those having links with foreign establishment or foreign Agencies

It's not very hard to make a list of such people and follow a purging procedure...

 

[Norwegian]

It looks like PM Imran Khan is going for the nuclear option of mass resignation of all PTI MNAs from the assembly either before or after vote of no confidence. What do you think?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510347811048800256

@ziaulislam @Patriot forever @Jazzbot @farok84 @HRK @koolio @Del @Verve @Dual Wielder @Sainthood 101 @Jungibaaz @blain2 @krash @Horus @waz @ghazi52 @Zibago @Areesh @Windjammer

 

[Inception-06]

It looks like PM Imran Khan is going for the nuclear option of mass resignation of all PTI MNAs from the assembly either before or after vote of no confidence. What do you think?
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1510347811048800256

@ziaulislam @Patriot forever @Jazzbot @farok84 @HRK @koolio @Del @Verve @Dual Wielder @Sainthood 101 @Jungibaaz @blain2 @krash @Horus @waz @ghazi52 @Zibago @Areesh @Windjammer

Which effects would that have on the constitutional results that Prime Minister lost the voting, is the voting then no more legal or valid ?

 

[Norwegian]

Which effects would that have on the constitutional results that Prime Minister lost the voting, is the voting then no more legal or valid ?

With mass resignations, assembly will dissolve, hence vote of no confidence would become invalidated