PM Imran calls for vertical buildings for more green space

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

given pakistan's lax or non-existent building codes it takes a nice earthquake to flatten those buildings

That is a good point. A building did collapse during an earthquake in Islamabad, I think. Faulty material.

With such measures, relevant steps would need to be taken to ensure proper implementation happens of safety procedures etc. It is likelymistakes will be made and cost will be paid before a full system overhaul comes into effect.

With regards to earthquake risk, Japanese have adapted to their situation well enough. I'm hopeful we can learn from them as well as others.


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[LeGenD]

Pakistan should hire Japanese and American firms for these projects, to ensure high quality constructions.

 

[coffee_cup]

My comments are on the money. you build vertical and you will get demolished in an earthquake. be my guest.

the indian subcontinent plate is pushing against tibetian peninsula. that is why the himalayas are the highest mountain range in the world.

Did you tell that to your Modi led extremist govt as well?

Take your advice to your own country and help them first, instead of being "concerned" about Pakistan.

Pakistan should hire Japanese and American firms for these projects, to ensure high quality constructions.

If you truly need highest quality, hire Germans, Chinese and even Turkish companies.

They are damn good in that!

 

[LeGenD]

If you truly need highest quality, hire Germans, Chinese and even Turkish companies.

They are damn good in that!

I disagree, friend.

Japanese and American firms are renowned for their constructions worldwide. This may surprise you but American firms are behind construction of a huge number of notable skyscrappers in the Middle East and China, but people do not know. Both Americans and Japanese are masters of Earthquake-proofing constructions. And Americans made Skyscrappers popular in the first place.

 

[coffee_cup]

I disagree, friend.

Japanese and American firms are renowned for their constructions worldwide. This may surprise you but American firms are behind construction of a huge number of notable skyscrappers in the Middle East and China, but people do not know.

So are the Germans.

Even heavily involved in construction in the USA.

Most of the time, projects are awarded to multiple companies originating from different countries, because everyone has some sort of specialization in a specific area.

I do not trust the USA, so we should look for alternatives. Japanese are fine though,

 

[LeGenD]

So are the Germans.

Even heavily involved in construction in the USA.

Any specific projects?

Most of the time, projects are awarded to multiple companies originating from different countries, because everyone has some sort of specialization in a specific area.

I do not trust the USA, so we should look for alternatives. Japanese are fine though,

Bro,

The 'I do not trust the USA' mentality is not sound for public-oriented matters. Public-oriented projects should never be politicized and firms should never be excluded on the basis of nationality. Public-oriented projects should always be awarded on the basis of MERIT and MERIT alone and firms from all over the world should be allowed to compete.

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Chinese deep state welcomed Tesla's offer to open its gigafactory in China in spite of severe tensions with US Department of State (trade war). FYI: https://electrek.co/2018/12/31/elon-musk-groundbreaking-tesla-gigafactory-3-china/

Why?

Tesla's reputation speak for itself, and its products have no peer in the EV department. Chinese deep state did not politicize this matter, and welcomed Tesla because it desire the best for its public.

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Now, I shall give you examples of bad governance in Lahore.

[1] South Korean brand Daewoo established an excellent transportation service in Lahore some years back. Tickets were not subsidized but Daewoo buses were high quality, well-maintained, and never short on customers in any route (I know this from personal experience). Daewoo covered entire Lahore with its transportation service and was super-hit with the masses until PML(N)-led government came into power and ruined it.

What was the outcome? People shifted to their own bikes and cars, and roads became crowded consequently. PML(N)-led government introduced Spedo transportation service in Lahore but it has FLOPPED, and a drain on government's already limited resources. Spedo's ticketing system was also an issue until it accepted cash, but the damage has been done.

[2] A Japanese firm proposed underground METRO ORANGE LINE for Lahore to PML(N)-led government in accordance with the environmental conditions of Lahore, but it refused to compromise on quality standards to create room for kickbacks for politicians and bureaucracy. PML(N)-led government awarded the contract to a Chinese firm instead and what is the situation at present?

a) Huge number of businesses and homes uprooted
b) Project mired with litigation
c) Ballooning costs
d) Pollution
e) Incomplete work and quality issues

The bottom line: Politicians and bureaucracy filled their pockets through substandard public-oriented projects (better proposals rejected and contracts not awarded on MERIT) whereas the public suffered at their hands and billions of rupees sunk in the process.

These are developments in Lahore, and I am yet to start on numerous other substandard projects across Pakistan.

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I have nothing against Chinese firms, but my point is that public-oriented projects should [always] be awarded on the basis of MERIT and should not be politicized and/or rendered substandard for kickbacks.

Coming back to the main point: Americans and Japanese firms are renowned for high quality constructions worldwide, and should be given fair chance in competing for bids in Pakistan.

 

[SQ8]

Malik Riaz and DHA faujis have ruined thousands of acres of Arable land so they could line their pocketsz

 

[jamahir]

given pakistan's lax or non-existent building codes it takes a nice earthquake to flatten those buildings

Earthquakes are one of the reasons I don't like skyscrapers.

The only thing vertical should be neighborhood-level Vertical Farms and those too not beyond three to four stories.

Post reported for trolling.

Come on, he wasn't trolling.

Malik Riaz and DHA faujis have ruined thousands of acres of Arable land so they could line their pocketsz

Vertical Farms and Urban Agriculture are the future of farming.

Venezuela is already doing Urban Agriculture.

 

[coffee_cup]

Any specific projects?


Bro,

The 'I do not trust the USA' mentality is not sound for public-oriented matters. Public-oriented projects should never be politicized and firms should never be excluded on the basis of nationality. Public-oriented projects should always be awarded on the basis of MERIT and MERIT alone and firms from all over the world should be allowed to compete.

---

Chinese deep state welcomed Tesla's offer to open its gigafactory in China in spite of severe tensions with US Department of State (trade war). FYI: https://electrek.co/2018/12/31/elon-musk-groundbreaking-tesla-gigafactory-3-china/

Why?

Tesla's reputation speak for itself, and its products have no peer in the EV department. Chinese deep state did not politicize this matter, and welcomed Tesla because it desire the best for its public.

---

Now, I shall give you examples of bad governance in Lahore.

[1] South Korean brand Daewoo established an excellent transportation service in Lahore some years back. Tickets were not subsidized but Daewoo buses were high quality, well-maintained, and never short on customers in any route (I know this from personal experience). Daewoo covered entire Lahore with its transportation service and was super-hit with the masses until PML(N)-led government came into power and ruined it.

What was the outcome? People shifted to their own bikes and cars, and roads became crowded consequently.

PML(N)-led government introduced Spedo transportation service in Lahore but it has FLOPPED, and a strain on government's already limited resources. Spedo's ticketing system was also an issue until it accepted cash, but the damage has been done.

[2] A Japanese firm proposed underground METRO ORANGE LINE for Lahore to PML(N)-led government in accordance with the environmental conditions of Lahore, but it refused to compromise on quality standards to create room for kickbacks for politicians and bureaucracy. PML(N)-led government awarded the contract to a Chinese firm instead and what is the situation at present?

a) Huge number of businesses and homes uprooted
b) Project mired with litigation
c) Ballooning costs
d) Pollution
e) Incomplete work and quality issues

The bottom line: Politicians and bureaucracy filled their pockets through substandard public-oriented projects (better proposals rejected and contracts not awarded on MERIT) whereas the public suffered at their hands and billions of rupees sunk in the process.

These are developments in Lahore, and I am yet to start on numerous other substandard projects across Pakistan.

---

I have nothing against Chinese firms, but my point is that public-oriented projects should [always] be awarded on the basis of MERIT and should not be politicized and/or rendered substandard for kickbacks.

Coming back to the main point: Americans and Japanese firms are renowned for high quality constructions worldwide, and should be given fair chance in competing for bids in Pakistan.

Bhai jaan, China can afford to allow any foreign company into their country because of the strict state control over the foregin companies operating there. And the foreign companies have to sign all those legal agreements, very heavily in Chinese favor and none that could remotely endanger Chinese national security. The kind of control, Pakistan can never dream of.

As wrote earlier, I have no problems with Japan getting involved, but I do have reservation abt the USA from national security perspective, buildings can be turned into excellent listening posts without anyone knowing it, if you know what I mean.

There was a huge German construction company, which is now owned by ACS (Spanish group, considered to be the largest in the world) and they had their projects all over US, Europe, Middle East etc.

 

[LeGenD]

Bhai jaan, China can afford to allow any foreign company into their country because of the strict state control over the foregin companies operating there. And the foreign companies have to sign all those legal agreements, very heavily in Chinese favor and none that could remotely endanger Chinese national security. The kind of control, Pakistan can never dream of.

As wrote earlier, I have no problems with Japan getting involved, but I do have reservation abt the USA from national security perspective, buildings can be turned into excellent listening posts without anyone knowing it, if you know what I mean.

There was a huge German construction company, which is now owned by ACS (Spanish group, considered to be the largest in the world) and they had their projects all over US, Europe, Middle East etc.

Bro,

If the government and bureaucracy are not compromised from within, foreign entities will find it exceedingly difficult to cheat them. And you never know which company will betray your trust: perhaps you are oblivious to scandals of Huawei and German automaker Volkswagen.

I am not talking about awarding contracts to US Department of State or Pentagon, LOL.

 

[coffee_cup]

Bro,

If the government and bureaucracy are not compromised from within, foreign entities will find it exceedingly difficult to cheat them. And you never know which company will betray your trust: perhaps you are oblivious to scandals of Huawei and German automaker Volkswagen.

I am not talking about awarding contracts to US Department of State or Pentagon, LOL.

Well, I know the scandal and it had damaged VW reputation but they are on the recovery path. And as it now turns out there are many other car manufacturer applying the same methods.

And BTW Germany is not VW only, you have Daimler (Mercedez), BMW, Porsche, Audi (ok, it is VW) and then a whole list of supply chain manufacturers you wont see in Europe anywhere else.

All in all, when we talk about Germany, we talk about quality. In any kind of industrial department from Chemistry, bio tech, to heavy machinery. They are simply amazing!

 

[LeGenD]

Well, I know the scandal and it had damaged VW reputation but they are on the recovery path. And as it now turns out there are many other car manufacturer applying the same methods.

And BTW Germany is not VW only, you have Daimler (Mercedez), BMW, Porsche, Audi (ok, it is VW) and then a whole list of supply chain manufacturers you wont see in Europe anywhere else.

All in all, when we talk about Germany, we talk about quality. In any kind of industrial department from Chemistry, bio tech, to heavy machinery. They are simply amazing!

German works are great on average - no complaints from me.

Anyways, take a look at this project:-

Developer: Silverstein Properties
Design: Bjarke Ingels Group (BIG)
Architect of record: Adamson Associates

"BIG is a Copenhagen, New York and London based group of architects, designers, builders and thinkers operating within the fields of architecture, urbanism, research and development. The office is currently involved in a large number of projects throughout Scandinavia, Europe, Asia and the Middle East. BIG’s architecture emerges out of a careful analysis of how contemporary life constantly evolves and changes. Not least due to the influence from multicultural exchange, global economical flows and communication technologies that all together require new ways of architectural and urban organization."

LINK: https://archello.com/project/2-world-trade-center

 

[ziaulislam]

All of his ideas are great he just needs support which i am afraid he wont get...people still have bryani mindset

Tax simplification
Ease of doing business
SME rivaval
Health reforms
Foteign investment

Things that is going to achive just in a single year with so many fiscal constrains

 

[Menace2Society]

Just one truly built up city centre which is clean. No more than say 1-2 miles. Just achieve this. Renovation of old buildings too. Why you don't have properly built up space in a country this big and populated I have no idea. You guys need to catch up and do it quickly.

 

[El Sidd]

tower of babel!!!