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Mai Phung Luu, a fisherman in the central Vietnamese province of Quang Ngai who said he has been to every nook and cranny of the Hoang Sa (Paracel) Archipelago, asserts that he will continue heading to the Hoang Sa seas without fearing anything.

International experts have encouraged Vietnam to take further actions to reaffirm it sovereignty over the Hoang Sa (Paracel) Archipelago following a speech on the issue by Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung.

Speaking at the National Assembly, Vietnam’s legislature, on November 25, Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung said Vietnam will assert its sovereignty over the Paracels Archipelago peacefully.

“We have asserted sovereignty via the peaceful and continuous display of state authority over the islands,” he said.

According to Dung, the country has owned the Hoang Sa and Truong Sa (Spratlys) archipelagos since at least the 17th century, when no other country had influence over the islands.

However, in 1956, China illegally occupied several islets in the Paracels. Later, in 1974, China violently took control of the entire archipelago, which was then under the management of the US-backed Republic of Vietnam (1955-1975).

Mark Valencia, a marine analyst at the National Bureau of Asian Research in the US, said Vietnam has every right to make Dung’s claims.

“It may eventually have to provide evidence that proves its claim is better than China's - that is better evidence in terms of substance and continuity that it and/or France on its behalf has exercised continuous effective occupation, administration and control of the features without objections from other claimants,” he told Thanh Nien Weekly.

In his speech, Dung said US-backed Republic of Vietnam – which managed the Paracels when China occupied the archipelago in 1974 – had asked for help from the United Nations.

The Provisional Revolutionary Government of Republic of South Vietnam (1969-1976), which represented the revolutionary forces in southern Vietnam during the Vietnam War, also protested the Chinese occupation of the islands at that time, he said.

Dung also said that Vietnam currently owns most of the Spratly Archipelago, and is the only country that has citizen residents living there.

The Paracels and Spratlys are located in the resource-rich East Sea, also known as South China Sea, which straddles major marine transportation routes and is believed to be rich in oil and gas deposits.

Conflicts over the valuable waters have worsened since May, when Chinese ships were accused of hassling Vietnamese seismic survey ships operating well inside its exclusive economic zone (EEZ) - the 200-mile marine border extending out from Vietnam’s coastline.

Valencia said if after “all the homework is done” and Vietnam believes it has the better case, the case should be taken to the International Court of Justice (ICJ).

“This is a costly and long drawn out process and the exact question that is put to the court is important - that is - do you want an all or nothing decision or a compromise. Sometimes there is no other way but to take it to the court. This may be one of those cases, at least for Vietnam,” he said.

Carl Thayer, a Southeast Asia regional specialist from the University of New South Wales in Australia, said Dung’s reference to “continuous display of state authority” was a reference to a long-standing legal principle.

He said Vietnam would have to provide details of how the Vietnamese state maintained continuous authority and evidence that the Vietnamese state protested Chinese occupation of the Eastern and then Western Paracels when it occurred.

“If Prime Minister Dung intends to pursue this matter through diplomatic means, China must agree to discuss this matter. If China did so, it would undercut its claim to sovereignty,” Thayer said.

“For a number of years, Vietnam has asserted sovereignty through peaceful measures by making diplomatic protests and public statements protesting China’s assertion of authority over the Paracels,” Thayer said. “This forms a legal paper trail that could be used to support Vietnam’s case if the matter were brought to the International Court of Justice.”

In a recent interview with Thanh Nien, Vietnamese researcher Nguyen Dinh Dau introduced a collection of hundreds of maps issued by Vietnam and other countries showing Vietnam’s sovereignty over Paracels and Spratlys.

“Old documents from Vietnam, western countries and even China recorded that Paracels and Spratlys belonged to Vietnam. It wasn’t until the beginning of the 20th century that China wanted to claim sovereignty over the two archipelagos,” Dau said.

While local media have reported frequently on paper evidence, “live” evidence – people who survived China’s violent takeover Hoang Sa in 1974 – is all too often ignored.

Local media have also reported several cases in which international organizations and magazines wrongly depicted Vietnam’s Paracels and Spratlys as belonging to China.

Duong Danh Huy, an overseas Vietnamese scholar in the UK, said it is important for the media and Vietnamese community members around the world to voice against China’s unreasonable East Sea claims.

He said the government should set up a specific agency to monitor and fix errors in maps around the world.
By Do Hung – Tuan La, Thanh Nien News (The story can be found in the December 2nd issue of our print edition, Thanh Nien Weekly)
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PM affirms Vietnam's sovereignty over Paracel
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Vietnam Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung talks at the National Assembly meeting Friday.


Vietnam holds sovereignty over the Hoang Sa (Paracel) Islands and will assert sovereignty through peaceful measures, Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung told the National Assembly Friday.

According to Dung, the country has owned Hoang Sa and Truong Sa (Spratly) archipelagos at least since the 17th century, when no other country made interference.

“We asserted sovereignty by peaceful and continuous display of state authority over the islands,” he said.

However, in 1956, China illegally occupied several islets in the Paracels. Later, in 1974, China used violence to take the entire archipelago, which was then under the management of the US-backed Republic of Vietnam (1955-1975), although the latter asked for help from the United Nations.

The Provisional Revolutionary Government of Republic of South Vietnam (1969-7976), which represented the revolutionary forces in southern Vietnam during the Vietnam War, at that time also protested the Chinese occupation of the islands.

Dung said that Vietnam currently owns most of the islands of Truong Sa, and is the only country that has residents living there.

Besides the two archipelagos, Dung also said that Vietnam must settle and assert its sovereignty over two other issues on the East Sea.

They include the demarcation of areas beyond the mouth of the Tonkin Gulf, and sovereignty over 200 nautical miles belonging to Vietnam’s economic exclusive zone and continental shelf.

Regarding the Tonkin Gulf, Vietnam and China reached agreement on demarcation of the area inside the Gulf in 2000, said Dung.

For the areas beyond the mouth of the Tonkin Gulf , the two sides have recently signed an agreement on basic principles guiding the settlement of sea issues.

The two countries will negotiate and settle the gulf issue on the basis of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) and the Declaration of the Conduct of Parties in the East Sea (DOC) agreements for a suitable solution acceptable to both sides.

At present, Vietnam is pushing negotiations to settle the issue, he said.

Vietnam is also determined to affirm its sovereignty over 200 nautical miles belonging to Vietnam ’s economic exclusive zone and continental shelf under UNCLOS in a more effective manner, Dung said.

In return, Vietnam demands all related parties strictly abide by the international laws, guaranteeing peace, stability, security, and the freedom of sea transport in the East Sea, he reiterated.
link: Vietnam latest news - Thanh Nien Daily | PM affirms Vietnam's sovereignty over Paracel
 
way you go Vietnam.It should fight for every inch of its territory under foreign occupation.there is a lesson here for india to help out those burning tibetians in achieving there free sovereign country tibet.
 
Vietnam latest news - Thanh Nien Daily | PM Dung: Vietnam will stake claim to East Sea islands peacefully
Yeah but China's claim is staked with violence, so our claims rule over all! :china:


Vietnamese are looking forward to strengthen its relationship with India, Japan. we can build a strong relationship.
Try harder, little Vietnam, nobody is going to fight China for you. :disagree:


To the fighter Viets who beaten USA and who beaten China :cheers: You have taught us many things.
indians and Vietnamese exchanging tips on self-delusion and burning jealousy for better and richer China


way you go Vietnam.It should fight for every inch of its territory under foreign occupation.there is a lesson here for india to help out those burning tibetians in achieving there free sovereign country tibet.
Better hurry, they'll turn into ashes in a few hours.
 
Paracel?haha,Vietnam really has a big stomach,you will be kicked out of Spratly first,so forget about Paracel.
 
about that sea battle in 1974

Balance of forces

Four warships of the Republic of Vietnam participated in the battle: three frigates, Trần Bình Trọng (HQ-5),[1] Lý Thường Kiệt (HQ-16),[2] and Trần Khánh Dư (HQ-4), [3], and one corvette, Nhật Tảo (HQ-10).[4] In addition, a platoon of South Vietnamese naval commandos, an underwater demolition team, and a regular ARVN platoon were stationed on the islands.

The People’s Republic of China had four warships for most parts of the battle, (PLAN corvettes # 271, #274, # 389 and # 396). This force was then reinforced by two more Kronstad-Class submarine chasers (# 281 and # 282) after the end of the battle. In addition, two PLA marine battalions and an unknown number of irregular militia landed on the islands.

In comparison, the total displacements and weapons of the Republic of Vietnam’s four warships were remarkably more than those of the People’s Republic of China. There were four ships of each side engaging in the battle. The supporting and reinforcement forces of China’s PLAN did not take part in this battle for real.

In the early morning of January 19, 1974, Vietnamese troops from HQ-5 landed on Duncan Island (Quang Hòa in Vietnamese) and came under fire from Chinese troops, after HQ-5 opened fire first on the Chinese troops stationed on the island while advancing toward the shores of the island. Three Vietnamese soldiers were killed and two others were injured. Outnumbered, the Vietnamese ground forces withdrew by landing craft, but their small fleet itself did not: instead, they drew up close to the Chinese ships in a tense standoff.

At 10:24 a.m., two Vietnamese ships, HQ-16 and HQ-10 opened fire against Chinese ships. Then, HQ-4, HQ-5 did the same thing. The ensuing sea battle lasted for about 40 minutes, with numerous vessels on both sides sustaining damage. The small Chinese ships maneuvered into the blind spots of the main cannons on the larger Vietnamese warships and succeeded in damaging all four Vietnamese ships, particularly the HQ-10. The Nhật Tảo (HQ-10) could not retreat because her last working engine was disabled in the battle: the ship's crew was ordered to evacuate, but her captain, Major [navy Lt. Commander] Ngụy Văn Thà, remained under fire and went down with his ship. HQ-16, severely shot by a friendly ship, the HQ-5, was forced to retreat westwards. Meanwhile, HQ-4 and HQ-5, were forced to retreat.

The next day, Chinese jet fighters and ground-attack aircraft from Hainan bombed the three islands, and were followed up with an amphibious landing force. The South Vietnamese Marine garrison was captured, and the naval force retreated to Đà Nẵng.

While the battle was going on, the Vietnamese fleet detected two Chinese reinforcing warships rushing to the area; China later acknowledged that these were the Hainan-Class submarine chasers #281 and #282. Despite reports that at least one Vietnamese craft had been struck by a missile, China insisted that no missile-bearing ships were involved in the battle. In addition, the South Vietnamese fleet also received warnings from the United States that their naval radar had detected additional Chinese guided missile frigates and MiG jet fighters on their way from nearby Hainan. South Vietnam requested assistance from the US Seventh Fleet, but the request was rejected.

The South Vietnamese claim of her own casualties was agreed to by the Chinese. According to the claim, warship HQ-10 was sunk, HQ-16 was heavily damaged, HQ-5 and HQ-4 were both lightly damaged. Fifty-three (53) Vietnamese soldiers, including Captain Ngụy Văn Thà, of HQ-10 were killed, 16 others were injured. On January 20, 1974, the Dutch tanker, Kopionella, rescued 23 survivors of HQ-10. On January 29, 1974, Vietnamese fishermen found a group of 15 Vietnamese soldiers near Mũi Yến (Qui Nhơn), who had participated in the combat on Quang Hòa island, and escaped on lifeboats.[5]

Aftermath

As a result of the battle, the People’s Republic of China established control over all of the Paracel Islands, which it calls the Xisha Islands. South Vietnam protested bitterly to the United Nations, but was unable to achieve neither any action nor even public consideration: China, with veto power on the UN Security Council, blocked all efforts to bring up the matter. By January 25, the President of the Security Council, Gonzalo Facio Segreda, publicly advised South Vietnam to give up, because they simply “could not muster the votes.” (NYT, 1/26/74.)
 
in 1974 when our navy was very poor and backward even compared to South Vietnam,we still managed to smash the enemy,and in 1988,that navy coflict became more like slaughter of the Vietnamese sailors,and if another conflict breaks out now...you may well guess the result.
 
haha,I hate to post that long facts and figures of the 1979 war again,but if you insist...

But you posted wiki as a source. You might not aware but wiki is not credible in democratic countries. I don't blame you for your compact system. If you don't believe me ask Pakistani friends. Just curious hw chinese do research on anything when there is so much censorship in China.
 
But you posted wiki as a source. You might not aware but wiki is not credible in democratic countries. I don't blame you for your compact system. If you don't believe me ask Pakistani friends. Just curious hw chinese do research on anything when there is so much censorship in China.

do you have anything better than wiki's other than your out of your hat claims?
 

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