PM Dung: Vietnam will stake claim to East Sea islands peacefully

[ViXuyen]

do you have anything better than wiki's other than your out of your hat claims?

How about militaryphotos where your comrades posted the grave counts of 12,000 PLA killed in 1979 war?

 

[beijingwalker]

only facts and figures,no claiming of which one is the winner,you judge it yourself.

Sino-Vietnamese War
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Chinese invaded Northern Vietnam and captured some of the northernmost cities in Vietnam. On March 6 China declared that the gate to Hanoi was open and that their punitive mission had been achieved and retreated back to China. Both China and Vietnam claimed victory in the last of the Indochina Wars of the twentieth century; as Vietnamese troops remained in Cambodia until 1989 it can be said that the PRC failed to achieve the goal of dissuading Vietnam from involvement in Cambodia. China achieved its strategic objective of reducing the offensive capability of Vietnam along the Sino-Vietnam border by implementing a scorched earth policy. China also achieved another strategic objective of demonstrating to its Cold War foe, the Soviet Union, that they were unable to protect their Vietnamese ally. As many as 1.5 million Chinese troops were stationed along China's borders with the USSR at the time and were prepared for a full-scale war.

Bruce Elleman "one of the primary diplomatic goals behind China's attack was to expose Soviet assurances of military support to Vietnam as a fraud. Seen in this light, Beijing's policy was actually a diplomatic success, since Moscow did not actively intervene, thus showing the practical limitations of the Soviet-Vietnamese military pact.... China achieved a strategic victory by minimizing the future possibility of a two-front war against the USSR and Vietnam."

wikipedia

Aftermath

To reduce Vietnam's military capability against China, the Chinese implemented a "scorched-earth policy" while returning to China, causing extensive damage to the Vietnamese countryside and infrastructure.[31] Although Vietnam continued to occupy Cambodia, China successfully mobilized international opposition to the occupation, rallying such leaders as Cambodia's deposed king Norodom Sihanouk, Cambodian anticommunist leader Son Sann, and high-ranking members of the Khmer Rouge to deny the pro-Vietnam regime in Cambodia diplomatic recognition beyond the Soviet bloc. China improved relations with ASEAN by promising protection to Thailand and Singapore against "Vietnamese aggression". In contrast, Vietnam's decreasing prestige in the region led it to be more dependent on the Soviet Union, to which it leased a naval base at Cam Ranh Bay.[32]

Border skirmishes continued throughout the 1980s, including a significant skirmish in April 1984.

Armed conflict only ended in 1989 after the Vietnamese agreed to fully withdraw from Cambodia.

This conflict also saw the first use of the Type 81 assault rifle by the Chinese and a naval battle over the Spratly Islands in 1988. In 1999 after many years of negotiations, China and Vietnam signed a border pact, though the line of demarcation remained secret.[33] There was a very slight adjustment of the land border, resulting in land being given up to China, which caused the widespread complaints within Vietnam.

casualties

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Chinese casualties

To this day, both sides of the conflict describe themselves as the
victor. The number of casualties is disputed, with some Western sources
putting PLA casualties at more than 20,000 throughout the war. Chinese democracy activist Wei Jingsheng told
western media in 1980 the Chinese troops had suffered 9,000 deaths and more than 10,000 wounded during the war,[25] but a recent leak showed that the PLA had 6,954 killed and 14,800 wounded,[5] and 238 Prisoners of War[26] in the course of the war.



Vietnamese casualties

There are no independently verifiable details of Vietnamese
casualties; like their counterparts in the Chinese government, the
Vietnamese government has never announced any information on its actual
military casualties. The Nhan Dan newspaper[27]
the Central Organ of the Communist Party of Vietnam claimed that
Vietnam suffered more than 10,000 civilian deaths during the Chinese
invasion[27] and earlier on May 17, 1979, reported statistics on heavy losses of industry and agriculture properties.[27]

Vietnamese armed personnel:

Regular forces (from Chinese sources): 100,100 killed in total, Wounded: more than 10,000. 2210 Prisoners of War.[5][28] Province Militia and divisions of the Public Security Army: unknown, the causality estimated: 70,000[29]

On March 6, China declared that the gate to Hanoi was open and that their punitive mission had been achieved. On the way back to the Chinese border, the PLA destroyed all local infrastructure and housing and looted all useful equipment and resources (including livestock), completely paralyzing the economy of northern Vietnam.[5] The PLA crossed the border back into China on March 16. While China claimed to have crushed the Vietnamese resistance, Vietnam claimed that China had mostly only fought against border militias. This allowed both sides to claim military victory, as both sides claimed to have taught their opponent a lesson.[24]

 

[beijingwalker]

Johnson South Reef Skirmish of 1988

Casualties and losses
Chinese : 1 wounded.


Vietnamese:
more than 70 killed[1]
40 captured[citation needed]
HQ-604 and HQ-605 sunk,[2] HQ-505 heavily damaged

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that was slaughter

 

[ViXuyen]

You give me more of the same, how about reading the Gulf of Tonkin/Beibu treaty heh; afterall, China backed down in silent as they agreed to sign the treaty with Viet Nam taking 53.23% of the gulf area; meaning we net a total of 8000 square kilometer more than China. LOL

 

[beijingwalker]

You give me more of the same, how about reading the Gulf of Tonkin/Beibu treaty heh; afterall, China backed down in silent as they agreed to sign the treaty with Viet Nam taking 53.23% of the gulf area; meaning we net a total of 8000 square kilometer more than China. LOL

I dont know about that treaty ,but everyone knows China's claim is always the whole south China sea.

 

[faithfulguy]

It look like this south china sea conflict can only be settle by military means. Is Vietnam preparing its navy for a naval clash with China? What kind of naval assets does Vietnam have against China? Is Vietnam getting international assistance?

 

[beijingwalker]

you suffered a bloody nose in 79 war

haha,seems like I have a fan粉丝 here on PDF,good.

 

[dunhill]

It look like this south china sea conflict can only be settle by military means. Is Vietnam preparing its navy for a naval clash with China? What kind of naval assets does Vietnam have against China? Is Vietnam getting international assistance?

Well, Vietnam is preparing for naval clash with China sooner or later. What kind of naval Vietnam will use that is a big mysteries

 

[dunhill]

I dont know about that treaty ,but everyone knows China's claim is always the whole south China sea.

China can claim as many its wants and no biggy things, but to be earn what China claims for that depends SEA guns allows or not.

 

[BladeMaster]

china does not own the sth china sea. china thinks it owns all of sth china sea even though most of it is closer to other countrys in the region. this is dangerous rhetoric, coming from a nation with purely "peaceful" intentions, if china was serious about peace, it would share the sth china sea with all others who have rights to it.

 

[dunhill]

Let's see what China can do about their claims? What China can gets on they claims? What China can pays for its claims?.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Well, Vietnam is preparing for naval clash with China sooner or later. What kind of naval Vietnam will use that is a big mysteries

Well, this clash will result of China bash your brain out.

This current China is not the China of 1979 anymore, but Vietnam is still the same Vietnam of 1979.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yeah but China's claim is staked with violence, so our claims rule over all!



Try harder, little Vietnam, nobody is going to fight China for you.

Don't need to waste your time with them.

After Vietnam enjoys a good beating from China, they will start to love us.

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

Don't need to waste your time with them.

After Vietnam enjoys a good beating from China, they will start to love us.

what the yankees did in veitnam? Killed millions of viets there, but now the viets kiss the *** of americans now. Maybe China should do the same thing to them to earn respect. Small kids like veit/south korea/japan only kneel down to the real powers. See yankees killded millions of people in japan in world war 2, but now most of japs feel close to yankees.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

what the yankees did in veitnam? Killed millions of viets there, but now the viets kiss the *** of americans now. Maybe China should do the same thing to them to earn respect. Small kids like veit/south korea/japan only kneel down to the real powers. See yankees killded millions of people in japan in world war 2, but now most of japs feel close to yankees.

But we are not as brutal as the Yankees, and we don't need to harm their civilians, but militarily humiliate them is enough by knocking down their entire air force and navy within few days.