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@ Joe Shearer ........ you are old enough and analytical enough.

Why dont you sacrifice your pride and abandon old baggage of Hate, take a deep breath and take a fresh look at Narendra Modi ? He does not come across as a malicious man and neither does he come across as an foolish idealist.

He has strong beliefs and convictions and acts on those beliefs, but at the same time he is also a pragmatic politician who does not let the media set the agenda. His refusal to be apologetic is a manifestation of that pride in his just nature. He is protective towards Dharmic religious but is also respectful (not tolerant) towards Abrahamic religion.

I dont expect you to support VHP or RSS ...but Modi as a head of BJP is a very good deal for India. India had a lot of horrible PM's...Modi has the potential to be one of the best.
 
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So you want commies to come to power.. Oh please keep them occupied in Kerala and Calcutta. Nobody needs such garbage at center..


A little precious, isn't it? Are you the only one in the world not to see other non-BJP, non-Congress alternatives emerging? Don't you think it a little late in the day to scare people with the Communist bogey, when everyone can see that they flourish only where tribals are oppressed by caste Hindus, and lose their deposits elsewhere?

What scarecrow will you produce next, hero? The US 7th Fleet? Mao? Oh, wait, how could I forget? You are after all a thoroughly modern military analyst! If we don't vote for the BJP, OBL will get us!

Hasn't the Parivar refreshed it's scripts in recent decades?

I have no time for your wordcraft chicanery. You and your poodle Seiko whatever, are just loud mouth scums of society who can only coin few slogans to bum lick their political masters but can not back them with available science or jurisprudence when calling others fascists or murders.

They way you have been prevailing and the time you have been investing clearly shows your agenda.

Come back with proof that Modi is a murderer and a fascist per definition provided by your poodle Seiko.

I take it that this post means you have nothing relevant to say?
 
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Oh its BJP hindu propaganda, LeT is just a Hindu conspiracy.

Terrorism is real only when congress-I dogs are killed and then Union of India bulldoze every single entity be if they are citizens, states or any sect / religion; no single slogan is coined or question is asked by English speaking elites.

Sadly, the people taking action against all this are patriotic Indians, some proficient in speaking English, many not so, but all oriented to doing their work. Not to murdering fellow citizens in cold blood, in some cases as part of a protection racket. Not to singling out a section of their own society, from their own country to massacre them.

There is a threat, but you are not the ones opposing it; you are the ones distracting attention, dividing the country, working actively against it.

Well you should know ....it is your Jinnah who used 'direct action' as a political tool and the resulting 'Direct action day' in Bengal.

This is a trick that has then been mastered by the congress........

Killing and Burning alive of 58 people including 25 women and 15 children in Godhra was also a manifestation of the same 'direct action'. Following riots is no surprise .........

As to Modi's role ......if you dont want to believe SIT ...there is a VERY DETAILED serious of 8 report in this link.....Narendra Modi through the Eyes of Gujarati Muslims, Christians and…. This is by a neutral and not by a RSS fascist terrorist like me :P

Feel free to read it ......thought I know it will not make you think any different. Religious bigotry has this way of making people blind to the obvious facts.

And why, genius, do you think people hate both the BJP and the Congress, and want to get rid of them?
 
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And why, genius, do you think people hate both the BJP and the Congress, and want to get rid of them?

The Ayatollahs of secularism–part 1

Indira Gandhi introduced the term secularism in the preamble to the Constitution with the 42nd Constitution Amendment Act, 1976, during the draconian Emergency.

Twenty-six years earlier, in 1950, the framers of our Constitution, led by Babasaheb Ambedkar, had not felt it necessary to include the word – despite the recent horrors of communal riots following Partition.

Ever since, the Congress has used secularism and socialism (a term also introduced into the Constitution by Mrs. Gandhi during the Emergency) to define itself as the party of the aam admi.

So how has the aam admi fared in over 53 years of Congress governments, 36 of them under Indira and Rajiv Gandhi and their appointed CEO-Prime Ministers, P.V.Narasimha Rao and Manmohan Singh?

Badly. Poverty remains endemic. India is placed 134th on the Human Development Index (HDI). Over 14,000 farmers across India commited suicide in 2011. Malnutrition persists. The Naandi Foundation released a report in January this year – at the hands of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh – on widespread child malnutrition (::Naandi Foundation::)

In an edit page piece in The Economic Times (Rich MPs, Poor Voters), I wrote how, even as children and farmers die, politicians have become ever-wealthier.

Who is to blame? Obviously, the Congress. It has run India for roughly 81% of independent India’s history. The Opposition, especially in the states, must share some responsibility for the Congress’ failure. But make no mistake: the responsibility for the poverty and malnutrition India suffers from 65 years after independence lies squarely at the doorstep of the Congress.

It has misused the term socialism to enshrine poverty, not eradicate it. The poorer the voter, the easier it is to win his vote without bothering about real development issues.

The second Emergency-origin term the Congress has misused is secularism. The word for “secular” in Hindi is panthnirpeksha. In 1977, when Mrs. Gandhi’s government was voted out soon after the Emergency was revoked, the new Janata Party government introduced a Constitutional Amendment Bill. The word “secular” was sought to be defined in the Constitution as “equal respect for all religions”.

The Bill was passed in the Lok Sabha where the Janata Party held a majority. But it was defeated in the Rajya Sabha where the Congress had a majority. Why did the Congress reject 35 years ago the 1977-79 Lok Sabha’s definition of secularism – “equal respect for all religions”?

Consider now what UPA Chairperson Sonia Gandhi said during a lecture at the Nexus Institute in the Hague on June 9, 2007: “India is a secular country. The term means equal respect for all religions.”

How does Sonia’s definition of secularism differ from Narendra Modi’s? Who is really more secular? Modi? Or Sonia? Or Nitish, Digvijay, Lalu, Paswan, Mulayam, Karunanidhi, Omar Abdullah and Owaisi?
 
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The Ayatollahs of secularism–part 2

On a cool spring day over 60 years ago in California, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, a tall, angular man of 22, was in a garrulous mood. He told my father: “Ah, Pakistan. See what we will do with my wonderful new country.”

My father, like young Bhutto, a student at the University of California, Berkeley, was unimpressed. “A country founded on theocracy,” he told Bhutto, “will never work.” My mother, among the first Indian women-students on the Berkeley campus, agreed. Bhutto walked away in a huff.

Those were heady days after independence. Bhutto went on to become Pakistan’s youngest Cabinet Minister, at 30, in 1958. My parents returned to India after four years at Berkeley and got married. My father took charge of the family’s petrochemicals business which, thankfully, he was later liberal enough never to coerce me to join.

The difference between Pakistan and India today is the story of how a great religion, Islam, has been distorted by those entrusted to protect its liberal ethos. Pakistan and several countries in the Middle-East have used Islam not to liberate but imprison their people. But it is in “secular” India that the damage has been most insidious.

Jawaharlal Nehru was a secular man. He would have been mortified at what passes off as secularism in modern India. In its purest, most classical sense, secularism requires treating religion as a private matter. It must not enter the public domain. Pray in public or pray in private. But keep your faith at home.

Politicians who have little to offer by way of development – 24-hour electricity, water, housing, sanitation, roads, infrastructure, jobs – will use religion to divert the attention of the common man. According to the latest National Sample Survey Organisation (NSSO), over 60% of Indians consume less than Rs. 66 a day in cities and less than Rs. 25 a day in villages.

These form the poor whose grandparents were promised Garibi Hatao by Indira Gandhi during her victorious 1971 Lok Sabha election campaign. It should shame the Congress that, 41 years later, the constituency Feroze Gandhi – Indira’s husband – first entered the Lok Sabha from in 1952, Rae Bareli, and from where succeeding generations of Gandhis, including Indira and Sonia, have been elected, is one of the most backward in India. Over 70% of children below the age of 5 in Rae Bareli, for example, are moderately or severely stunted due to malnutrition (The Ayatollahs of secularism – part 1).

But secularism, not development, has been an article of faith for the Gandhis. The poor and the Muslims – the Muslims in particular – have been entrapped into a fear psychosis that warns them: vote for “the other” and you will not be safe.

The riots in Gujarat on February 28, March 1 and March 2, 2002 following the burning of kar sevaks on February 27, 2002, have come especially handy in deepening this paranoia.

Muslims from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar, from Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh, are in effect given this false choice: do you want to be with a “secular” party like the Congress that can guarantee your physical safety but not one square meal a day? Or do you want to be with a party where you must forever live in fear though you will have 24-hour electricity, good housing, roads, jobs and a reasonable standard of living?

Rich electoral dividends have flowed from such fear mongering. In the process, over the decades, regional parties have grasped the fraudulent secular baton from the Congress: the Samajwadi Party (SP) may be the most notorious of these but others like the Telegu Desam Party (TDP) and the Nationalist Congress Party (NCP) have all dealt the duplicitous Muslim card.
(My comment - ...status of the much vaunted third front )

Just as they eagerly copied Indira Gandhi’s destructive dynastic politics to enrich their future generations while impoverishing India’s, regional parties have effortlessly morphed into “secular” family firms engaged in exploiting Muslims by cocooning them.

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My daughter, a budding designer, often visits areas in Mumbai to source raw materials for her work and commission artisans. Most of these artisans are Muslims. Most are very poor. Most live in buildings which could collapse any moment. She asked me: “Why doesn’t the Congress-NCP government in Maharashtra, which wins elections based on votes from poor Muslims, do anything to improve their lives?”

The answer: because poor Muslims who have no time to think beyond the next meal will not have time to think of governance and development and how both have been sacrificed at the altar of secularism.

But then of course this isn’t secularism. It’s communalism, masquerading as secularism. What really can be more communal than keeping nearly an entire community of 175 million people in poverty for over six decades?

Theocratic countries like Pakistan have more liberal laws for their Muslim citizens than India has for its Muslims. Turkey, Malaysia and Indonesia have also reformed medieval Islamic canons.

Why not India? Because the Congress and its regional copycats fear the true liberation of the Muslim mind. That liberation could set off unintended consequences.

Electoral defeat haunts the Congress and its allies more than issues of governance and development – or even justice. That is why it has moved glacially to deliver justice to the victims of the 1984 Sikh pogrom in which over 3,000 Sikhs were killed by Congress-led hooligan-politicians.

At the same time, po-faced, it uses the 750-plus Muslims killed in Gujarat in 2002 in a riot (not a one-sided pogrom), where over 250 of the dead were Hindus, to extract cynical political advantage with the help of its NGO cottage industry.


Muslim leaders have been willing accomplices in this tragedy. Mullahs issue regressive fatwas against Muslim women and edicts against sensible civil laws. Instead of condemning such fatwas, the government maintains a studied silence, tacitly encouraging extremism and keeping ordinary Muslims stuck in a time warp.

The two real enemies of the Muslim – communal politicians masquerading as secular politicians to win votes and Mullahs deliberately misinterpreting the holy book to retain power over their flock – form a natural alliance. Together they have enriched themselves but impoverished India’s Muslims, materially and intellectually, in the name of secularism. These are the Ayatollahs of secularism.

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That brings us to the third angle in this infamous triangle: the liberal, secular Hindu. Where does he stand in all this? He is naturally secular in the truest sense of the word: religion is a private matter, he rightly believes. It has no place in politics.

But he is also swayed by the plight of his fellow-Indians who happen to be Muslims: impoverished, illiterate, ghettoized, discriminated against. For every Azim Premji and Aamir Khan there are millions of weavers in UP and spot boys in Mumbai who have no place in corporate India’s organized labour force.

Liberal, well-meaning Hindus ask why. And the answer they come up with is: communal discrimination. Yet the liberal Hindu doesn’t dig deeper. The more politicians sequester Muslims into vote silos, the more the middle-class Hindu (not the liberal, well-meaning, Stephanian Hindu) resents them. Discrimination, petty or large, mounts.

The real culprits – communal politicians dressed up as secular politicians – get away scot-free in this narrative. The liberal, secular Hindu’s anger against anti-Muslim communalism is therefore misdirected – far away from these real culprits.

The liberal, secular Hindu meanwhile points to “Hindutva” as the real fount of communalism. Is he right? This is how the Supreme Court defined Hindutva when specifically asked to do so in December 1995:

Considering the terms Hinduism or Hindutva per se as depicting hostility, enmity or intolerance towards other religious faiths or professing communalism, proceeds from an improper appreciation and perception of the true meaning of these expressions. These terms (Hinduism or Hindutva) are indicative more of a way of life of the Indian people and are not confined merely to describe persons practicing the Hindu religion as a faith.”

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Today it costs a candidate between Rs. 10 crore and Rs. 50 crore to fight a Lok Sabha election. Over the next 18 months, political parties will need to raise over Rs. 20,000 crore to contest 543 Lok Sabha seats. The potential from future scams has shrunk. Corporate cash donations have been hit – ironically – by the government’s own economic paralysis. Team Anna's decision to fight elections has introduced a new political calculus.

For "secular" parties, 2014 is an election in which they will now have to rely more than ever on raising a fear psychosis against leaders like Narendra Modi who threaten their hold on power – and the financial pipeline that accompanies it but never finds its way into developmental projects, especially for Muslims. After all, they matter only once every five years.

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Influential sections of especially the electronic media, suffused with hearts bleeding from the wrong ventricle, are part of this great fraud played on India’s poor Muslims: communalism dressed up as secularism. The token Muslim is lionized – from business to literature – but the common Muslim languishes in his 65-year-old ghetto. It is from such ghettos that raw recruits to SIMI and IM are most easily found.

Sixty years ago on that Berkeley campus my father told Zulfikar Ali Bhutto why Pakistan would fail as a state. Today, my daughter, as she visits Muslim-dominated ghettos for sourcing her raw materials, sees how Muslim India too has failed. The single biggest cause: communalism – but in quite the opposite way the Congress, SP and other “secular” parties define it.

 
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A little precious, isn't it? Are you the only one in the world not to see other non-BJP, non-Congress alternatives emerging? Don't you think it a little late in the day to scare people with the Communist bogey, when everyone can see that they flourish only where tribals are oppressed by caste Hindus, and lose their deposits elsewhere?

What scarecrow will you produce next, hero? The US 7th Fleet? Mao? Oh, wait, how could I forget? You are after all a thoroughly modern military analyst! If we don't vote for the BJP, OBL will get us!

Hasn't the Parivar refreshed it's scripts in recent decades?

Yeah, I can see the Non BJP, Non Congree third front of Mamta Di emerging and I know that is going to be a big time joke if it really emerged out successfully. Or may be you are the one seeing some other super alliance emerging? What ever the case any such alliance will come to center only with the blessing of either Congress or BJP and will not last for more than 2 years. That seems like a nice way of getting back to square one and then going in loop.

I would rather have BJP under Modi come to power and prove many idiots in the country wrong.

I am surprised Parivar scare you so much that you try to find it in every second post on the topic.
 
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You can twist and turn it anyway you like ...... but the fact remains BJP is the ONLY serious alternative for truly secular Indians.
 
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Am not.. Infact I am afraid of what will be the future of this country if some one who is a remote control of fascist brigade of this country become a PM.. loonies like Bajrangdal, Ram sena etc etc will have a field day and will destroy this country.. This is the time our country seriously needed a strong leadership and Narendra Modi wont fit that shoes..

We have two options. Lets see what each of it will mean.
Congress. Looting corporate style. No well read or a person with basic awareness will deny that the first term of congress was decent governance, but the second term acquired tone of arrogance.
What has congress done but fill the coffers of their kith and kin? Coal scam mnrega scam, DLF Vadra dealings, the list is bloddy endless.. on top of that we have to suffer obnoxiousness of the likes of digvijay, manish tiwari and arrogance of kapil sibal.
Third term of congress will be a disaster economically and corruption will be unprecedented.. and we havent touched upon the polarization that congress does in the name of religion.

I say dont vote for the BJP but then who or what is the alternative? Mamata kulkarni? Or karat, who cant run a state properly? Congress has looted this country , held it ransom to the bogeyman of communalism and we have been sucker for it since independence.
This is time for a change. BJP or Modi can provide strong focussed leadership without pampering either the 'minorities' or 'corporations'.
And we can always boot him out if we dont like what he is doing. Democracy remember?

By the way bajrang dal and ram sena are the fringe players. They have no widespread support among masses. And there is no evidence of BJP behind these organizations. To deny this country good governance based upon a poor unsubstantiated allegation would be a gross injustice IMO.

Pardon the grammer or punctuation. Imtyping from a stupid tab.
 
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The Ayatollahs of secularism–part 1

Indira Gandhi introduced the term secularism in the preamble to the Constitution with the 42nd Constitution Amendment Act, 1976, during the draconian Emergency.

Twenty-six years earlier, in 1950, the framers of our Constitution, led by Babasaheb Ambedkar, had not felt it necessary to include the word – despite the recent horrors of communal riots following Partition.

Ever since, the Congress has used secularism and socialism (a term also introduced into the Constitution by Mrs. Gandhi during the Emergency) to define itself as the party of the aam admi.

So how has the aam admi fared in over 53 years of Congress governments, 36 of them under Indira and Rajiv Gandhi and their appointed CEO-Prime Ministers, P.V.Narasimha Rao and Manmohan Singh?

Badly. Poverty remains endemic. India is placed 134th on the Human Development Index (HDI). Over 14,000 farmers across India commited suicide in 2011. Malnutrition persists. The Naandi Foundation released a report in January this year – at the hands of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh – on widespread child malnutrition (::Naandi Foundation::)

In an edit page piece in The Economic Times (Rich MPs, Poor Voters), I wrote how, even as children and farmers die, politicians have become ever-wealthier.

Who is to blame? Obviously, the Congress. It has run India for roughly 81% of independent India’s history. The Opposition, especially in the states, must share some responsibility for the Congress’ failure. But make no mistake: the responsibility for the poverty and malnutrition India suffers from 65 years after independence lies squarely at the doorstep of the Congress.

It has misused the term socialism to enshrine poverty, not eradicate it. The poorer the voter, the easier it is to win his vote without bothering about real development issues.

The second Emergency-origin term the Congress has misused is secularism. The word for “secular” in Hindi is panthnirpeksha. In 1977, when Mrs. Gandhi’s government was voted out soon after the Emergency was revoked, the new Janata Party government introduced a Constitutional Amendment Bill. The word “secular” was sought to be defined in the Constitution as “equal respect for all religions”.

The Bill was passed in the Lok Sabha where the Janata Party held a majority. But it was defeated in the Rajya Sabha where the Congress had a majority. Why did the Congress reject 35 years ago the 1977-79 Lok Sabha’s definition of secularism – “equal respect for all religions”?

Consider now what UPA Chairperson Sonia Gandhi said during a lecture at the Nexus Institute in the Hague on June 9, 2007: “India is a secular country. The term means equal respect for all religions.”

How does Sonia’s definition of secularism differ from Narendra Modi’s? Who is really more secular? Modi? Or Sonia? Or Nitish, Digvijay, Lalu, Paswan, Mulayam, Karunanidhi, Omar Abdullah and Owaisi?

secularism is just separation of church(religion ) and state.In actual what we are practicing is respect for every religion kind of secularism.
 
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That is quite different now, and the court is deciding not the issue of their terrorism, but the issue of their criminal killing. Get your facts straight. Their holding terrorist views is not a crime; their killing is.

Ok , so the court is deciding the issue of extra-judicial killing but not about whether they were terrorist or not.

Let the court decide and punish the culprits but I stand by my view that if the persons killed were actually terrorists ,it is a waste of our judicial time.

But I don't understand the bold part . Are you implying that the persons being terrorist is not a crime ??

Do Jan Sanghis know much about the law? Or is your common view a question of might is right?

Don't know what it has got to do with what I wrote.
 
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@ Joe Shearer ........ you are old enough and analytical enough.

Why dont you sacrifice your pride and abandon old baggage of Hate, take a deep breath and take a fresh look at Narendra Modi ? He does not come across as a malicious man and neither does he come across as an foolish idealist.

He has strong beliefs and convictions and acts on those beliefs, but at the same time he is also a pragmatic politician who does not let the media set the agenda. His refusal to be apologetic is a manifestation of that pride in his just nature. He is protective towards Dharmic religious but is also respectful (not tolerant) towards Abrahamic religion.

I dont expect you to support VHP or RSS ...but Modi as a head of BJP is a very good deal for India. India had a lot of horrible PM's...Modi has the potential to be one of the best.

In simple terms, this goes beyond purported efficiency and pragmatism.

Far from being efficient, Modi's achievements in Gujarat have been shown up, again and again, as superficial, building as he did on the monumental achievements of his predecessors of all parties.

Far from being pragmatic, he is dogmatic; worse, he is a bigot and an Islamophobe, and not fit to hold high political office. He has been busy promoting the RSS line: just teach the pesky Muslims a lesson, and prosperity will follow. As his act unravels, one pitiful massacre at a time, this message looks more and more hollow. Even as we exchange this futile series of notes, the Gujarat High Court has gone on record criticising his government for obstructing the enquiry into the Ishrat Jahan case, where Indian were murdered in cold blood by policemen intent on showing that Modi was under threat.

He was sworn in under the Constitution, and promised to uphold it. He is directly guilty of violating his oath and of conspiring for the deaths of over 700 Indian citizens. This is not forgivable.

The Ayatollahs of secularism–part 1

Indira Gandhi introduced the term secularism in the preamble to the Constitution with the 42nd Constitution Amendment Act, 1976, during the draconian Emergency.

Twenty-six years earlier, in 1950, the framers of our Constitution, led by Babasaheb Ambedkar, had not felt it necessary to include the word – despite the recent horrors of communal riots following Partition.

Ever since, the Congress has used secularism and socialism (a term also introduced into the Constitution by Mrs. Gandhi during the Emergency) to define itself as the party of the aam admi.

So how has the aam admi fared in over 53 years of Congress governments, 36 of them under Indira and Rajiv Gandhi and their appointed CEO-Prime Ministers, P.V.Narasimha Rao and Manmohan Singh?

Badly. Poverty remains endemic. India is placed 134th on the Human Development Index (HDI). Over 14,000 farmers across India commited suicide in 2011. Malnutrition persists. The Naandi Foundation released a report in January this year – at the hands of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh – on widespread child malnutrition (::Naandi Foundation::)

In an edit page piece in The Economic Times (Rich MPs, Poor Voters), I wrote how, even as children and farmers die, politicians have become ever-wealthier.

Who is to blame? Obviously, the Congress. It has run India for roughly 81% of independent India’s history. The Opposition, especially in the states, must share some responsibility for the Congress’ failure. But make no mistake: the responsibility for the poverty and malnutrition India suffers from 65 years after independence lies squarely at the doorstep of the Congress.

It has misused the term socialism to enshrine poverty, not eradicate it. The poorer the voter, the easier it is to win his vote without bothering about real development issues.

The second Emergency-origin term the Congress has misused is secularism. The word for “secular” in Hindi is panthnirpeksha. In 1977, when Mrs. Gandhi’s government was voted out soon after the Emergency was revoked, the new Janata Party government introduced a Constitutional Amendment Bill. The word “secular” was sought to be defined in the Constitution as “equal respect for all religions”.

The Bill was passed in the Lok Sabha where the Janata Party held a majority. But it was defeated in the Rajya Sabha where the Congress had a majority. Why did the Congress reject 35 years ago the 1977-79 Lok Sabha’s definition of secularism – “equal respect for all religions”?

Consider now what UPA Chairperson Sonia Gandhi said during a lecture at the Nexus Institute in the Hague on June 9, 2007: “India is a secular country. The term means equal respect for all religions.”

How does Sonia’s definition of secularism differ from Narendra Modi’s? Who is really more secular? Modi? Or Sonia? Or Nitish, Digvijay, Lalu, Paswan, Mulayam, Karunanidhi, Omar Abdullah and Owaisi?

Who cares what the Congress stands for? It is not a beacon for secularism, or those who believe in it. After the Shah Bano case, no progressive member of society can trust the Congress. After the earlier massacre of the Sikhs, nobody secular minded can trust the Congress.

How does this address my question, why do people mistrust both the Congress and the BJP and want to get rid of them?
 
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In simple terms, this goes beyond purported efficiency and pragmatism.

Far from being efficient, Modi's achievements in Gujarat have been shown up, again and again, as superficial, building as he did on the monumental achievements of his predecessors of all parties.

Far from being pragmatic, he is dogmatic; worse, he is a bigot and an Islamophobe, and not fit to hold high political office. He has been busy promoting the RSS line: just teach the pesky Muslims a lesson, and prosperity will follow. As his act unravels, one pitiful massacre at a time, this message looks more and more hollow. Even as we exchange this futile series of notes, the Gujarat High Court has gone on record criticising his government for obstructing the enquiry into the Ishrat Jahan case, where Indian were murdered in cold blood by policemen intent on showing that Modi was under threat.

He was sworn in under the Constitution, and promised to uphold it. He is directly guilty of violating his oath and of conspiring for the deaths of over 700 Indian citizens. This is not forgivable.

1. There was an article in Times of India/Economic Times just yesterday that showed for the last 6 years Gujarat has One of the Lowest central govt. grant per capita. (All the top receivers where Congress ruled states) You might have seen the report. Modi has been phenomenal .... and the people has validated his contribution by making him chief minister 4 times. That one is proof enough. (unless you show the people of gujarat are just dumb folks who does not know what is good for them)

2. He may/may not be an Islamophobe, but he does not let his phobia guide his actions. Anyway it is hard to assign this kind of 'phobia' (irrational fear) to a man of demonstrated courage like Narendra Modi. He has not by any of is action demonstrated bigotry. (unless you want to assign godhra train burning to him personally)

He may/may not have hand in teaching certain pesky Muslims a lesson but he does not deny them their rights.

In 10 years there is NO EVIDENCE of him 'unravelling' his act of one massacre after another.

I have no sympathy for Ishrat Jahan case and do believe that both of them where involved in anti-national activities. Considering the LONG HISTORY of encounter killings in India I am far to cynical to shed any tears for the dead or even assign blame to one particular man or party.

There is No evidence to show he has not undertaken his sworn duty of protecting all Indians or at least 5.5 crore Gujaratis. He has been more faithful to his sworn duties that most of the CM's of other stats, Prime Ministers of the last 60 years in India.

Anyway I now agree this discussion with you is futile.

How does this address my question, why do people mistrust both the Congress and the BJP and want to get rid of them?

Read Part II of the article.
 
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I take it that this post means you have nothing relevant to say?

Now I take it from this post that what others think and I may have been thinking about you that you were a top dog or at least a politically correct person who at the cost of blood of Hindus still be able break a deal with insurgent Muslims, but even at that massive cost you are there to give benefit of doubt to Congress-I.

You are the person whose generation fought wars with neighbors, saw bloody riots, was given equal opportunity to be learned in subject of choice to its crescendo, was given best of the exposures at best of the work places but still this nation remained a third world country where new Generation is still bogged down by Pakistanis and Chinese and you are throwing all the tantrums when they are trying to fix it, are striving to change but are ending up being called as Hindu terrorists.

In my first I gave you indication that Hindus do not need RSS or BJP to riot, people like me see a change to be brought about by that party.

You are answerable to History of this nation because she will do your accountability before us, I hope you will tell her that instead taking sides, you made way for new generation for a change unconditionally not created obstacles.

Change is inevitable and status co has lived it's life longer then expected because you were not able make a decision on DNR 'Do not resuscitate'.

The question is not how we will do it because no body can predict but are you with us or not.
 
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The definition above is good enough, and shows that you have nothing to say, beyond asking Eliza-like questions. If you have nothing to say, go and say it elsewhere.

Fascist is a term used in political science. It is a precise term. What vested interests are you blabbering about? And how can you be clear about the meaning of the term Fascist before learning what it is?

Let us quote your agreed definition:

Hostile to liberal democracy, socialism, and communism,fascist movements share certain common features...........

So A fascist can only be who is against the above highlighted?

Case I: Can a Fascist be one who is against Humanity?

Case II: Can a Fascist be one who is against a particular religion?

Let me know your answers?
 
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