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When a Chinese-designed jet fighter crashed, local media found fault with the imported Russian engine while praising the injured pilot for his “outstanding soldier’s conviction” during the incident.
According to a report by the Beijing-based Sina Military Network, the Russian-built engine used in the J-10 is prone to malfunction, having caused multiple crashes in recent years.
On Sept. 19. a J-10 fighter jet from northeastern China’s Shenyang Military Region crashed during a nighttime patrol mission, state-run China Central Television (CCTV) reported. The Russian-built engine had lost power at over 11,000 feet, said pilot Li Tong, who ejected at 1,000 feet following an abortive 198-second attempt to glide the aircraft to a local airfield.
Li survived with neck and spine injuries. Because he had avoided lit, populated areas when maneuvering his damaged plane, CCTV lauded him as a hero, saying that he had made no less than five “weighty decisions” to “avoid the loss of property and life among the masses.”
A distinguished military pilot, Li Tong told CCTV that his first priority was to save the jet, which at the time of engine failure was carrying 200 rounds of aircraft ordnance and 2.5 tons of fuel. As Li struggled to restart the engine, the plane fell to about 5,000 feet.
Why a Russian Engine?
The J-10 is a single-engine light fighter aircraft that was developed by the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation in the 1990s and put into service starting 2005. It is built around the powerful Russian AL-31 engine, which was originally intended for the two-engined Su-27 family of Soviet-designed fighter aircraft.
With its Western-inspired and locally-designed single-engine configuration, however, the J-10 suffers from severe compatibility issues in using the AL-31. At the same time, the Chinese-designed WS-10 aircraft engines have proven even less reliable than the Russian equipment.
Despite claims made in 2014 by a spokesman for the Chinese research institute tasked with the WS-10’s development that the engine was “fully operational and matured” for use in an upgraded J-10, a Sina report this August revealed that the Chinese aviation industry had yet to reduce the Taihang’s failure rate to within acceptable boundaries. The Chinese air force and in particular the J-10 jets will continue to run Russian engines.
According to Chinese naval publications cited by Sina, consultations with Russian providers to find a solution for the AL-31 compatibility issues have been delayed for want of funding.
“Measures to address failures from the perspective of design theory cannot be given,” the Sina report thus said.
Netizens found issue with the Chinese media reports and analysis of the September crash, saying that CCTV’s triumphant depiction of the pilot’s emergency actions drew attention away from the technical failings common to modern Chinese fighters.
A user in Guangdong Province contradicted the Sina analysis for its implication that the engine can simply be re-engineered, if only the Russians would help. “The engine is not like a graphics card that can be changed at will,” the post reads. “It is integrated with the entire airframe.”
“What if the aircraft was severely damaged, or if the pilot had no time to process the malfunction? Never make a trifle of human life,” a netizen from Shanghai said, criticizing the CCTV report for its rosy depiction of Li Tong’s flight and crash that “avoided residential areas

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What does Pakistan have to do with this genius ? you making your own story lines now ?
 
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Well this Indian Defence news writer has some serious mental disorders..Everyone can see his hatred towards Pakistan on his page and now he includes PAK too in J-10 Crash...!
on-topic: Crashes happens but no one can beat IAF as their jet have successfully landed on motorcycle too :lol::lol:

Landing on a Motorcycle??? :o::o::o::o::o::o::o:
 
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Why are our Pakistani posters ruffled? Did the post somehow reference Pakistan in it? I did not get the hostility.

It is a tech and it is the nature of the beast to fail. Good that no lives where lost. Kudos to the pilot indeed.
 
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Why are our Pakistani posters ruffled? Did the post somehow reference Pakistan in it? I did not get the hostility.

It is a tech and it is the nature of the beast to fail. Good that no lives where lost. Kudos to the pilot indeed.

I think you forgot to read the title of the thread...

China-Pak J-10 Fighter jet crashed and they blame Russia on it....
 
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ModS @Horus @Slav Defence @Web Master please close this BS which contains nothing but hatred aand ignorance


In one point I agree, while with You (1) in an other (2) I think this tread alone is fine:

(2) the fact that a J-10 crashed - regardless why - is not an issue itself. It is a single engines fighter similar to so many others (incl. the F-16) and if the engines fail, that bird comes down. As such I think here we have an ejection seat after being shot with serial 6-19 on it ... as such I think it is indeed true, that J-10A 6-19 has been lost. Problematic howver is the second - or in fact first point:

(1) Here indeed You are correct, since this report is not written to inform about a crash - not an issue itself - but to troll.
It begins with the assumption that this Western style aircraft lacks a decent integration of its engine, that the Chinese were to stupid to know that an engine cannot be used by a simple "plug & play" ... the reminder, that the WS-10 is still not ready regardless claims by AVIC ... and so on.

If You look, from where it comes ... there no more question why and to what intention it was written.

Anyway, a crash alone is not an issue ....

Deino
 
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Sir what the hell Pakistan has to do with j 10s:hitwall::hitwall:
nothing, the j10 will not be inducted by Pakistan, its too late for induction as the jf-17 is in the middle of production and the search for a 5th gen fighter is on so inducting this would only serve as a stop gap and it would come with consequences of high costs, training crew, pilots, and servicing. your looking at $1.5 billion for about 2 squadrons about $40 million each.
 
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nothing, the j10 will not be inducted by Pakistan, its too late for induction as the jf-17 is in the middle of production and the search for a 5th gen fighter is on so inducting this would only serve as a stop gap and it would come with consequences of high costs, training crew, pilots, and servicing. your looking at $1.5 billion for about 2 squadrons about $40 million each.
So would does Pak China J 10 means????? AS Pakistan didn't for JV with china to develop J 10
 
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When a Chinese-designed jet fighter crashed, local media found fault with the imported Russian engine while praising the injured pilot for his “outstanding soldier’s conviction” during the incident.
According to a report by the Beijing-based Sina Military Network, the Russian-built engine used in the J-10 is prone to malfunction, having caused multiple crashes in recent years.
On Sept. 19. a J-10 fighter jet from northeastern China’s Shenyang Military Region crashed during a nighttime patrol mission, state-run China Central Television (CCTV) reported. The Russian-built engine had lost power at over 11,000 feet, said pilot Li Tong, who ejected at 1,000 feet following an abortive 198-second attempt to glide the aircraft to a local airfield.
Li survived with neck and spine injuries. Because he had avoided lit, populated areas when maneuvering his damaged plane, CCTV lauded him as a hero, saying that he had made no less than five “weighty decisions” to “avoid the loss of property and life among the masses.”
A distinguished military pilot, Li Tong told CCTV that his first priority was to save the jet, which at the time of engine failure was carrying 200 rounds of aircraft ordnance and 2.5 tons of fuel. As Li struggled to restart the engine, the plane fell to about 5,000 feet.
Why a Russian Engine?
The J-10 is a single-engine light fighter aircraft that was developed by the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation in the 1990s and put into service starting 2005. It is built around the powerful Russian AL-31 engine, which was originally intended for the two-engined Su-27 family of Soviet-designed fighter aircraft.
With its Western-inspired and locally-designed single-engine configuration, however, the J-10 suffers from severe compatibility issues in using the AL-31. At the same time, the Chinese-designed WS-10 aircraft engines have proven even less reliable than the Russian equipment.
Despite claims made in 2014 by a spokesman for the Chinese research institute tasked with the WS-10’s development that the engine was “fully operational and matured” for use in an upgraded J-10, a Sina report this August revealed that the Chinese aviation industry had yet to reduce the Taihang’s failure rate to within acceptable boundaries. The Chinese air force and in particular the J-10 jets will continue to run Russian engines.
According to Chinese naval publications cited by Sina, consultations with Russian providers to find a solution for the AL-31 compatibility issues have been delayed for want of funding.
“Measures to address failures from the perspective of design theory cannot be given,” the Sina report thus said.
Netizens found issue with the Chinese media reports and analysis of the September crash, saying that CCTV’s triumphant depiction of the pilot’s emergency actions drew attention away from the technical failings common to modern Chinese fighters.
A user in Guangdong Province contradicted the Sina analysis for its implication that the engine can simply be re-engineered, if only the Russians would help. “The engine is not like a graphics card that can be changed at will,” the post reads. “It is integrated with the entire airframe.”
“What if the aircraft was severely damaged, or if the pilot had no time to process the malfunction? Never make a trifle of human life,” a netizen from Shanghai said, criticizing the CCTV report for its rosy depiction of Li Tong’s flight and crash that “avoided residential areas

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In one point I agree, while with You (1) in an other (2) I think this tread alone is fine:

(2) the fact that a J-10 crashed - regardless why - is not an issue itself. It is a single engines fighter similar to so many others (incl. the F-16) and if the engines fail, that bird comes down. As such I think here we have an ejection seat after being shot with serial 6-19 on it ... as such I think it is indeed true, that J-10A 6-19 has been lost. Problematic howver is the second - or in fact first point:

(1) Here indeed You are correct, since this report is not written to inform about a crash - not an issue itself - but to troll.
It begins with the assumption that this Western style aircraft lacks a decent integration of its engine, that the Chinese were to stupid to know that an engine cannot be used by a simple "plug & play" ... the reminder, that the WS-10 is still not ready regardless claims by AVIC ... and so on.

If You look, from where it comes ... there no more question why and to what intention it was written.

Anyway, a crash alone is not an issue ....

Deino
Hay Deino, Where were you mate?. Good to see you back
 
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how many crashes j 10 has in recent years ????? BTW post a link from credible source not from Indian BS FORUM

Except this latest case, within 1 year there're at least 3 firmed crashes of J-10 variants, including Nov 2014 yellow painted J-10 in Chengdu with the pilot of J20 test, Oct 2015 J-10 with pilot Litong, a training J-10 with 2 pilots during May 2015.

If the J-10 with Lu Yaogui is confirmed Crashed last week, this is the 4th hull loss of J-10 within 1 year.
 
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