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PLA Navy patrols Bashi Channel between Taiwan and Philippines

Do I need go to court because of your claim for all assets disregarding the fact that they are mine?
Such a exemplified showcasing of intellectual power. Who attacked first? If the whole world belonged to the China Communist Party, then we would not have this discussion in the first place
Bully is you on us taking our islands illegally and the american colonial bully on the world
Vietnam is different from America. If you want to throw your dislike to them, go talk to Obama

Please decide on your position. Either Vietnam is too strong to bully China, or China is too strong to win over everyone else. These two things a mutually exclusive. Do you understand what "bullying" means?
 
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Such a exemplified showcasing of intellectual power. Who attacked first? If the whole world belonged to the China Communist Party, then we would not have this discussion in the first place

no we do not have the world but we are claiming what belongs to us irrespective of party rules

Vietnam is different from America. If you want to throw your dislike to them, go talk to Obama
you are getting closer and more in favour of american's presence and forgetting fast what damages they have done on you
Obama doesnt have the control of usa

Please decide on your position. Either Vietnam is too strong to bully China, or China is too strong to win over everyone else. These two things a mutually exclusive. Do you understand what "bullying" means?

bullying does not co-relate to 'sizes"
which is bigger? japan or usa during ww2
vietnam is a bully despite its size in its scs claims
 
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no we do not have the world but we are claiming what belongs to us irrespective of party rules


you are getting closer and more in favour of american's presence and forgetting fast what damages they have done on you
Obama doesnt have the control of usa



bullying does not co-relate to 'sizes"
which is bigger? japan or usa during ww2
vietnam is a bully despite its size in its scs claims

Wow so brain wish so tell me did it come with complementary shampoo?
 
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no we do not have the world but we are claiming what belongs to us irrespective of party rules
You just said you want to claim Korea as well, so spare me the hypocritical speeches

you are getting closer and more in favour of american's presence and forgetting fast what damages they have done on you
Should I not forget recent damages caused by PRC in 1979, 1988 as well? America is actually not that bad compare to CCP rule. USA still has the rule of law that value human freedom, unlike that totalitarian regime called the CCP

bullying does not co-relate to 'sizes"
which is bigger? japan or usa during ww2
vietnam is a bully despite its size in its scs claims
Haha, who just said that PLA is the strongest most badass army around?! If you choose this line of agrument, then from here on please stop talking about PLA's superiority.

Here is Vietnamese map to counter that one map drawn in 2004

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Wow so brain wish so tell me did it come with complementary shampoo?

ignored. to be answered until improvement

You just said you want to claim Korea as well, so spare me the hypocritical speeches

I said "priority" did I!

Korea is in a part of Asia contiguous to our land and apart from the DPRK issues, there is no imminent need to have conflicts with the Koreans


Should I not forget recent damages caused by PRC in 1979, 1988 as well? America is actually not that bad compare to CCP rule. USA still has the rule of law that value human freedom, unlike that totalitarian regime called the CCP

shameless ungrateful vietcongs! We helped you kick out all the colonialists!

we didnt use chemical weapons on you people. The americans did, and in horrendous amount. It is just crazy for you people to forget the large no. of deformed people in your country

We run a different system. We help the world to recover during this hard economic times while usa exploites the world and causes all the financial troubles and wages wars in mid east and asia . It reaps the world off to support its own democracy

Haha, who just said that PLA is the strongest most badass army around?! If you choose this line of agrument, then from here on please stop talking about PLA's superiority.

we have been tolerating the badass vietcong pirates in spite of our strength. This tolerance is reaching its limits
Here is Vietnamese map to counter that one map drawn in 2004

There are older and newer maps from our archives. You lose either way.
 
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vietnam was still a vassal state you cant deny this. We said yes you couldnt say no and thus the demarcation of our sea territories as augmented by our sea exploration and navigation abilities



You are correct for this time. It is not our priority though. We are trying to tame the pirates at SCS first



and then we have this which stands and re-affirms our ancient map above drawn before the Qing dynasty @post 126

se-asia-sea-a.jpg

newly made a map with corrections is fake. This is evident showed that Chinese are liars. :omghaha:
 
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newly made a map with corrections is fake. This is evident showed that Chinese are liars. :omghaha:

you have nothing new in your comments since you joined pdf. each and every one of your posting is the same.
what a poor robot that the vietcongs have made in you!

Lets get back on topic!

What is the latest news between Taiwan and the Philippines?
 
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you have nothing new in your comments since you joined pdf. each and every one of your posting is the same.
what a poor robot that the vietcongs have made in you!

Lets get back on topic!

What is the latest news between Taiwan and the Philippines?

my comment is base on truth, the truth is not change. I will repeat it to response if chinese members try to lie.
 
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Taiwan moving to end southern fishing line

By Adam Tyrsett Kuo in Taipei/The China Post | Asia News Network – 3 hours ago

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Taipei (The China Post/ANN) - The Taiwan government is moving toward abolishing Taiwan's southern boundary for fishery protection, an act which would extend the formal operational area of the Navy, the Coast Guard and local fishermen further south within Taiwan's exclusive economic zone (EEZ) toward the Philippines.

The boundary is currently set at the latitude of 20 degrees north.

In light of the recent fatal shooting of a local fisherman by Philippine coast guards, the Ministry of the Interior (MOI) and the Fisheries Agency (FA) are currently in the process of revising the government's fishery protection procedures to achieve an equal basis for negotiations with the Philippines over a possible fishery pact.

Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Anna Kao said that fishery talks are one of four demands made following the shooting incident, adding that the Foreign Ministry hopes to demarcate operation procedures between Philippine and Taiwanese fishermen.
Collecting evidence and investigating the case, however, are currently the higher priorities for the ministry, Kao said, adding that the commencement of fishery talks will depend on whether the case can be resolved.

Given that fishery protection operations conducted by the Coast Guard Administration and the Navy are not limited by the southern boundary, the boundary itself, which was announced by the Council of Agriculture, is effectively void, even though as a formal guideline it still exists.

After the government announced that protection operations will not be limited by the boundary, four Taiwanese fishing boats operating in the Bashi Channel crossed it yesterday morning to fish further south, while three approached waters close to the Philippines' Batanes Islands and Babuyan Islands.

Since Taiwan and the Philippines are at a critical juncture with regard to talks over a joint investigation into the shooting, the CGA's three vessels stuck close to the southern boundary yesterday morning, apparently to avoid giving rise to more tension.
Claims and contradictions

On May 9, a local fishing boat, the Kuang Ta Hsing No. 28, was fishing some 170 nautical miles off Taiwan's southern coast. The fishing boat was later fired upon by Philippine coast guards, leading to the death of 65-year-old fisherman Hung Shih-chen.

Philippine authorities maintain that members aboard the official vessel acted out of self-defense because the Taiwanese boat had "attempted to ram" them, adding that Hung's death was "unintentional".

The Taiwanese fishing boat, however, was not armed, while its hull also showed no signs ramming. The Ministry of Justice (MOJ) further pointed out that there were 45 bullet holes in the boat - the majority of which were concentrated in the cabin where the fishermen were hiding, contradicting the Philippine authorities' claim that the coast guards were trying to disable the boat's engine.

The MOJ added that according to the boat's voyage data recorder, the fishermen were within Taiwan's exclusive economic zone (EEZs).

EEZs extend 200 nautical miles off a nation's coast.

It is very unlikely that a 15-ton fiberglass boat would try to ram an armed 115-ton vessel made of metal, the ministry said.
 
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Taiwan moving to end southern fishing line

By Adam Tyrsett Kuo in Taipei/The China Post | Asia News Network – 3 hours ago

link


Taipei (The China Post/ANN) - The Taiwan government is moving toward abolishing Taiwan's southern boundary for fishery protection, an act which would extend the formal operational area of the Navy, the Coast Guard and local fishermen further south within Taiwan's exclusive economic zone (EEZ) toward the Philippines.

The boundary is currently set at the latitude of 20 degrees north.

In light of the recent fatal shooting of a local fisherman by Philippine coast guards, the Ministry of the Interior (MOI) and the Fisheries Agency (FA) are currently in the process of revising the government's fishery protection procedures to achieve an equal basis for negotiations with the Philippines over a possible fishery pact.

Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Anna Kao said that fishery talks are one of four demands made following the shooting incident, adding that the Foreign Ministry hopes to demarcate operation procedures between Philippine and Taiwanese fishermen.
Collecting evidence and investigating the case, however, are currently the higher priorities for the ministry, Kao said, adding that the commencement of fishery talks will depend on whether the case can be resolved.

Given that fishery protection operations conducted by the Coast Guard Administration and the Navy are not limited by the southern boundary, the boundary itself, which was announced by the Council of Agriculture, is effectively void, even though as a formal guideline it still exists.

After the government announced that protection operations will not be limited by the boundary, four Taiwanese fishing boats operating in the Bashi Channel crossed it yesterday morning to fish further south, while three approached waters close to the Philippines' Batanes Islands and Babuyan Islands.

Since Taiwan and the Philippines are at a critical juncture with regard to talks over a joint investigation into the shooting, the CGA's three vessels stuck close to the southern boundary yesterday morning, apparently to avoid giving rise to more tension.
Claims and contradictions

On May 9, a local fishing boat, the Kuang Ta Hsing No. 28, was fishing some 170 nautical miles off Taiwan's southern coast. The fishing boat was later fired upon by Philippine coast guards, leading to the death of 65-year-old fisherman Hung Shih-chen.

Philippine authorities maintain that members aboard the official vessel acted out of self-defense because the Taiwanese boat had "attempted to ram" them, adding that Hung's death was "unintentional".

The Taiwanese fishing boat, however, was not armed, while its hull also showed no signs ramming. The Ministry of Justice (MOJ) further pointed out that there were 45 bullet holes in the boat - the majority of which were concentrated in the cabin where the fishermen were hiding, contradicting the Philippine authorities' claim that the coast guards were trying to disable the boat's engine.

The MOJ added that according to the boat's voyage data recorder, the fishermen were within Taiwan's exclusive economic zone (EEZs).

EEZs extend 200 nautical miles off a nation's coast.

It is very unlikely that a 15-ton fiberglass boat would try to ram an armed 115-ton vessel made of metal, the ministry said.

Wow nice if it was true though
 
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Your argument is based on an evolving PLAN and a USN that is stagnant. A stagnant USN is far from the truth. In 19.5 years PLAN will probably attain near the current level of sophistication of the USN, BUT in 19.5 years the USN will be decades ahead of PLAN.

A case in point, PLAN is learning to take off and land on her first refurbished Soviet era carrier, whereas, we are currently building the next gen carrier in addition, to testing unmanned drones in carrier operations. Very big difference. It is hard to catch up when the other guy is in the fast lane driving a Ferrari.

Sequester is likely to shrink U.S. Navy further

Point taken. However, with the sequester and defense budget cuts, I can make the contrary argument.

I could point to the fact that the U.S. Navy has shrunk from 600 ships (during Ronald Reagan's time) to 282.

Thus, the U.S. Navy in 20 years could be weaker than the U.S. Navy today.
 
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